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"When I left Dortmund, my last sentence was: 'It is not so important what people think when you come in, it is much more important what they think what you leave,'" he said. "History is only the base for us. You cannot carry it in your backpack every day."
How can anyone not like this guy - Jurgen Klopp!
Where were they in the league when he left?
a better question will be how many league titles has Wenger won in the last 5 years and how many has Klopp won, can't wait for that answer LOL.
I am REALLY interested in your questions. Let me mull this one over for a while and I will get back to you. I find it interesting that not every single person on here has him ignored.
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"When I left Dortmund, my last sentence was: 'It is not so important what people think when you come in, it is much more important what they think what you leave,'" he said. "History is only the base for us. You cannot carry it in your backpack every day."
How can anyone not like this guy - Jurgen Klopp!
Where were they in the league when he left?
Dortmund was a fun team to watch under Klopp and one of only a few to be able to stand up against Bayern Munich for any length of time. They were also sharp in the CL. Bayern's most effective response - which hurt Dortmund's chances in both competitions - was to buy Dortmund's best players. With that in mind, I think it's fair to "adjust" for Klopp's less successful final campaign. This is a really good appointment for Liverpool and explains the timing of Rodgers' sacking. Smart of Klopp though, to manage expectations and to make it a four year "deal": "If I am sitting here in four years, we will win one title [piece of silverware] in this time."
Liverpool was a fun team to watch and had their best league run in 20 years...with Suarez. "Adjustment" is a really nice way to put Dortmund's fall...particularly in a one-team league. Rather than dance around the edges of this any more, are you suggesting getting Klopp was a bad move by Liverpool?
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Oct 9 2015, 05:03 PM
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"When I left Dortmund, my last sentence was: 'It is not so important what people think when you come in, it is much more important what they think what you leave,'" he said. "History is only the base for us. You cannot carry it in your backpack every day."
How can anyone not like this guy - Jurgen Klopp!
Where were they in the league when he left?
Dortmund was a fun team to watch under Klopp and one of only a few to be able to stand up against Bayern Munich for any length of time. They were also sharp in the CL. Bayern's most effective response - which hurt Dortmund's chances in both competitions - was to buy Dortmund's best players. With that in mind, I think it's fair to "adjust" for Klopp's less successful final campaign. This is a really good appointment for Liverpool and explains the timing of Rodgers' sacking. Smart of Klopp though, to manage expectations and to make it a four year "deal": "If I am sitting here in four years, we will win one title [piece of silverware] in this time."
Liverpool was a fun team to watch and had their best league run in 20 years...with Suarez. "Adjustment" is a really nice way to put Dortmund's fall...particularly in a one-team league.
Rather than dance around the edges of this any more, are you suggesting getting Klopp was a bad move by Liverpool? Don't expect a straight answer lol.
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Oct 9 2015, 05:04 PM
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"When I left Dortmund, my last sentence was: 'It is not so important what people think when you come in, it is much more important what they think what you leave,'" he said. "History is only the base for us. You cannot carry it in your backpack every day."
How can anyone not like this guy - Jurgen Klopp!
Where were they in the league when he left?
a better question will be how many league titles has Wenger won in the last 5 years and how many has Klopp won, can't wait for that answer LOL.
I am REALLY interested in your questions. Let me mull this one over for a while and I will get back to you. I know I know Slow Boooobs
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Oct 9 2015, 05:58 PM
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"When I left Dortmund, my last sentence was: 'It is not so important what people think when you come in, it is much more important what they think what you leave,'" he said. "History is only the base for us. You cannot carry it in your backpack every day."
How can anyone not like this guy - Jurgen Klopp!
Where were they in the league when he left?
Dortmund was a fun team to watch under Klopp and one of only a few to be able to stand up against Bayern Munich for any length of time. They were also sharp in the CL. Bayern's most effective response - which hurt Dortmund's chances in both competitions - was to buy Dortmund's best players. With that in mind, I think it's fair to "adjust" for Klopp's less successful final campaign. This is a really good appointment for Liverpool and explains the timing of Rodgers' sacking. Smart of Klopp though, to manage expectations and to make it a four year "deal": "If I am sitting here in four years, we will win one title [piece of silverware] in this time."
Liverpool was a fun team to watch and had their best league run in 20 years...with Suarez. "Adjustment" is a really nice way to put Dortmund's fall...particularly in a one-team league.
Rather than dance around the edges of this any more, are you suggesting getting Klopp was a bad move by Liverpool? That's like asking if Liverpool will win the league under Klopp. The answer is that nobody knows.
What we DO know is that just a couple years ago nobody burned brighter than Rodgers, and Klopp's failure in his last year at BD is often swept under the table.
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Oct 9 2015, 06:09 PM
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"When I left Dortmund, my last sentence was: 'It is not so important what people think when you come in, it is much more important what they think what you leave,'" he said. "History is only the base for us. You cannot carry it in your backpack every day."
How can anyone not like this guy - Jurgen Klopp!
Where were they in the league when he left?
Dortmund was a fun team to watch under Klopp and one of only a few to be able to stand up against Bayern Munich for any length of time. They were also sharp in the CL. Bayern's most effective response - which hurt Dortmund's chances in both competitions - was to buy Dortmund's best players. With that in mind, I think it's fair to "adjust" for Klopp's less successful final campaign. This is a really good appointment for Liverpool and explains the timing of Rodgers' sacking. Smart of Klopp though, to manage expectations and to make it a four year "deal": "If I am sitting here in four years, we will win one title [piece of silverware] in this time."
Liverpool was a fun team to watch and had their best league run in 20 years...with Suarez. "Adjustment" is a really nice way to put Dortmund's fall...particularly in a one-team league.
Rather than dance around the edges of this any more, are you suggesting getting Klopp was a bad move by Liverpool?
That's like asking if Liverpool will win the league under Klopp. The answer is that nobody knows. What we DO know is that just a couple years ago nobody burned brighter than Rodgers, and Klopp's failure in his last year at BD is often swept under the table. Actually, it's like asking whether Klopp will do better than Rodgers would have done. I suppose that's another 'nobody knows' but Liverpool seemed to be going sideways rather than forward under Rodgers and were unable to recover from the departure of the Masticating Marauder. On that basis I'd say they made the right move.
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Oct 9 2015, 06:16 PM
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I just checked the league table and Liverpool are only 4 points behind united, nice!
So that would put them only 4 points behind Arsenal right ? 😳 Gee, it seems I really have earned the wrath of the Pizzymonster
Lol I was expecting that, any neutral football fans right now would rather place their money on pool catching united rather than Arsenal. It's a case of the "bigger evil"...
Are you neutral ? It's clear you don't support Arsenal so not sure where you are on this one but whatever your stance the fact remains that Poo, are the same pints behind Arsenal as they are Utd, which is what I was pointing out to you
I support Arsenal I just don't lick Wenger ass, you dickhead! How is it going with your boy Sterling, you Man City supporter! And Liverpool are only 4 points behind United, I know you're worried, could be Europa league football next year LMAO.
I really have gotten under your skin haven't I Pizzy. So you obviously think Wenger is good enough to finish above a Klopp managed Liverpool who have the 2nd best striker in the league as well as Chelsea & Utd. Not bad for a shit manager . I can see why you want him gone As for me, if Utd finish outside top 4 , LVg will rightly be sacked, but I don't think that will be the case, & neither do you. You post too much on emotion& not on logic at times Pizzles. Mind you, if you see the goals Arsenal scored on the weekend as counter attacking goals then maybe posting on logic isn't really an option for you & if I was a City supporter then why would I be worrying about Liverpool finishing above Utd Think before you post , take some time & gather your thoughts & calm down. . I hate to see you unravel lime this
hahahaha he thinks he's gotten under my skin, dude I'm not rwmlite (or whatever his name is) or Cruyff. Klopp is coming in and he has to do a rebuild, yes he would be inheriting the 2nd best/ joint 2nd best striker in the league (Are you still debating that?) but that doesn't change the fact that most of the Liverpool players are not his own, the team have too many strikers, Zero Wingers and pretty average defenders, so he has some rebuilding job to do. But despite this I still see him finishing above a clueless man utd side. It's just a case of United being "shitter" than Arsenal and not that Wenger is doing a great job. Seriously are you really saying a coach that got knocked out by Monaco last year and is about to be eliminated by either Olympiakos or Dynamo Zagreb is doing a great job? I'm pretty sure as a United fan you'll be happy with 8 years no trophy, 11 years no title in fact not even being in the title race on those 11 occasions, not getting past the CL round of 16 in the last 5 years, no CL trophy and no hope of winning it in the nearest future, I'm sure you'll be celebrating such a coach.....
Liverpool won't need wingers under Klopp. Surely you saw & loved watching Dortmund dismantle Arsenal enough to see they get their width through their fullbacks . They play very narrow with & without possession to strangle the opponent This " clueless shit Utd" are only 2 points off the top & level with the best squad in the premier league . Give Klopp this same team & whilst it might take a while to undo the " philoshophy & proshesh " instilled by LVG there is absolutely no doubt in my mind Utd would win the title within 3 seasons. Klopp will definitely have an impact at Pool. Rodger's style when they came 2nd was very similar to Klopps so it won't be the huge overhaul that you seem to think & bare in mind Klopp didn't have the best defenders either, he had to put up with Hummels, a World Cup winner not even as good as a rookie CB Sturridge is a good striker, joint 2nd best ( whatever the fuck that means ) in the premier league, I don't think so, but you pull the stats to prove me wrong. Who do you rate ahead of him & level with him? I have gotten under your skiing Pizzy. You are starting to post absolute drivel where in the past your posts , whilst annoying, usually had some substance to them
you're a joke mate, let me start with the Sturridge thing, I can't even believe you're arguing this. In the list of Premier league Strikers Aguero is no 1, Sturridge is no 2, although Costa's form have been awful this season, an argument could be made that he's joint no 2 with Sturridge that's why I have Daniel has 2nd best/joint best. Now give me the list of strikers better than Sturridge in the EPL, I can't wait for that answer lol. I see you avoided the Wenger question, as a united fan would you be celebrating a united coach that wins fuck all for 8 years, haven't won and competed for the league title for 11 years, never won the champions league, and in the past 5 years has failed to go past the round of 16, and his CL record is even about to get worse so will you be celebrating such a coach or criticizing him? Can't wait for this answer too LOL. You keep showing your ignorance with every post, Klopp's dortmund had wide players who stay wide and cut inside at the same time just like most wingers do today Surely you know Reus and blaszczykowski are wide players right??, one plays on the left and the other play on the right, give your head a shake man... http://www.empireofthekop.com/2015/10/06/explaining-jurgen-klopps-4-2-3-1-gegenpressing-tactic-and-fitting-liverpool-stars-into-it/
I suggest you read this, it might help explain to you that wide players are not necessarily wingers but given your bullish attempts to describe Arsenals goals at the weekend as counter attacking goals I doubt even Klopp telling you personally that he plays a narrow formation & likes his FB's to provide the width would satisfy you
You get way too excited about your questions Pizzy, if your really get that worked up that you " can't wait " for the answer to your questions then my advice to you would be to get out more
Better strikers than Sturridge
Aguerro, Costa, no contest . Rooney , although even I could make an argument that he's either in shocking form or simply on the decline right now but it depends what you are judging on, stats or simply what you see
Others I put in the same bracket as Sturrdge are Benteke, Lukaku & Kane & we also have the likes of Gomis & of course Martial. If he is as you say the best young player since Messi then surely you can't argue that Sturridge is better than him . Now Pizzles, for someone who whines about insults you have been fairly generous in dishing them out recently, if that's the way you want to proceed then so be it. Answer in a civil manner & I will remain one of the few posters still willing to indulge you on here
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Oct 9 2015, 06:28 PM
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"When I left Dortmund, my last sentence was: 'It is not so important what people think when you come in, it is much more important what they think what you leave,'" he said. "History is only the base for us. You cannot carry it in your backpack every day."
How can anyone not like this guy - Jurgen Klopp!
Where were they in the league when he left?
Dortmund was a fun team to watch under Klopp and one of only a few to be able to stand up against Bayern Munich for any length of time. They were also sharp in the CL. Bayern's most effective response - which hurt Dortmund's chances in both competitions - was to buy Dortmund's best players. With that in mind, I think it's fair to "adjust" for Klopp's less successful final campaign. This is a really good appointment for Liverpool and explains the timing of Rodgers' sacking. Smart of Klopp though, to manage expectations and to make it a four year "deal": "If I am sitting here in four years, we will win one title [piece of silverware] in this time."
Liverpool was a fun team to watch and had their best league run in 20 years...with Suarez. "Adjustment" is a really nice way to put Dortmund's fall...particularly in a one-team league.
Rather than dance around the edges of this any more, are you suggesting getting Klopp was a bad move by Liverpool?
That's like asking if Liverpool will win the league under Klopp. The answer is that nobody knows. What we DO know is that just a couple years ago nobody burned brighter than Rodgers, and Klopp's failure in his last year at BD is often swept under the table.
Actually, it's like asking whether Klopp will do better than Rodgers would have done. I suppose that's another 'nobody knows' but Liverpool seemed to be going sideways rather than forward under Rodgers and were unable to recover from the departure of the Masticating Marauder. On that basis I'd say they made the right move. You have to base a coach on what he has achieved, not on what he might or might have achieved.
On that basis alone Klopp, on a much smaller budget that Rodgers ( add all top premiership managers to this list) wins by a country mile. Who can forget the hammering they gave Madrid in the CL semi, which was clearly no fluke as they beat them in the group stages also. The only think that beat Klopp & Dortmund was the constant haemorrhaging of his best players. Goethe, Reuss, Lewandowski, Kagawa all pillaged yet he sustained a very real threat to Bayern, winning consecutive titles .
I actually rate Rodgers as a coach, but I don't rate anyone higher than Klopp who is a great coach AND a great manager.
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Oct 9 2015, 09:27 PM
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Well Reus is still a BD but point taken.
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Too much arrogance and too many bad transfer windows from Rodgers. I still think he's a good manager and will bounce back, but having Klopp on the line made this a no-brainer.
Pool fans should be excited, but there could be some things to worry about.
First off, their squad is a mess and a mix of players of different quality and style. It will take some time to see which players can fit his system. Then there will have to be more money spent and more players sold for a loss.
Secondly, I wonder if his style can really take hold in England. It might be able to, but the EPL is such a physical league. Is the squad really gonna be able to run around like that week in and week out against fierce and physical opposition? Could be lots of injuries to deal with.
BD would usually play high-octane the first 25-30 minutes of the game and blitz teams out of the gate before sitting back. Not sure that's a realistic goal in England, where you can drop points against anyone and where a lot of teams only sit back and counter.
Lastly, there are 4 stronger, more resourceful teams to overcome. Not exactly the same situation as in Germany.
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