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Brendon Rodgers; Sacked
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Oct 10 2015, 03:09 AM
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Too much arrogance and too many bad transfer windows from Rodgers. I still think he's a good manager and will bounce back, but having Klopp on the line made this a no-brainer.
Pool fans should be excited, but there could be some things to worry about.
First off, their squad is a mess and a mix of players of different quality and style. It will take some time to see which players can fit his system. Then there will have to be more money spent and more players sold for a loss.
Secondly, I wonder if his style can really take hold in England. It might be able to, but the EPL is such a physical league. Is the squad really gonna be able to run around like that week in and week out against fierce and physical opposition? Could be lots of injuries to deal with.
BD would usually play high-octane the first 25-30 minutes of the game and blitz teams out of the gate before sitting back. Not sure that's a realistic goal in England, where you can drop points against anyone and where a lot of teams only sit back and counter.
Lastly, there are 4 stronger, more resourceful teams to overcome. Not exactly the same situation as in Germany. Some good points there.
One has to wonder about Klopp tactically, whether the kind of pressing Dortmund did isn't widely understood now. And the collection of players at Liverpool, particularly in defence won't be able for that. This may be a good thing, Klopp will now be forced to innovate.
I just hope for his sake that he has control of the signings.
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Oct 10 2015, 03:32 AM
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Too much arrogance and too many bad transfer windows from Rodgers. I still think he's a good manager and will bounce back, but having Klopp on the line made this a no-brainer.
Pool fans should be excited, but there could be some things to worry about.
First off, their squad is a mess and a mix of players of different quality and style. It will take some time to see which players can fit his system. Then there will have to be more money spent and more players sold for a loss.
Secondly, I wonder if his style can really take hold in England. It might be able to, but the EPL is such a physical league. Is the squad really gonna be able to run around like that week in and week out against fierce and physical opposition? Could be lots of injuries to deal with.
BD would usually play high-octane the first 25-30 minutes of the game and blitz teams out of the gate before sitting back. Not sure that's a realistic goal in England, where you can drop points against anyone and where a lot of teams only sit back and counter.
Lastly, there are 4 stronger, more resourceful teams to overcome. Not exactly the same situation as in Germany. All good points
I am torn on this, my fave manager at my least fave club
I think he is good enough & not as arrogant, intransigent & stubborn ( think LVG) to modify his tactics to suit both his squad & its environment. I don't think his style is that dissimilar to the style Rodgers employed in the season Pool did so well, but either through his own choices, or because of the choices put on him personnel wise they never seem to have recaptured that kind of game. I wonder how much money will be made available to him & whether he will go back to Dortmund to bring over any of his players. He was a huge fan of Kagawa, as was I, but once Moyes signed Mata he was never going to get the opportunities he deserved .
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Oct 10 2015, 04:10 AM
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Too much arrogance and too many bad transfer windows from Rodgers. I still think he's a good manager and will bounce back, but having Klopp on the line made this a no-brainer.
Pool fans should be excited, but there could be some things to worry about.
First off, their squad is a mess and a mix of players of different quality and style. It will take some time to see which players can fit his system. Then there will have to be more money spent and more players sold for a loss.
Secondly, I wonder if his style can really take hold in England. It might be able to, but the EPL is such a physical league. Is the squad really gonna be able to run around like that week in and week out against fierce and physical opposition? Could be lots of injuries to deal with.
BD would usually play high-octane the first 25-30 minutes of the game and blitz teams out of the gate before sitting back. Not sure that's a realistic goal in England, where you can drop points against anyone and where a lot of teams only sit back and counter.
Lastly, there are 4 stronger, more resourceful teams to overcome. Not exactly the same situation as in Germany. You tell that to Bog....
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Oct 10 2015, 04:13 AM
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I just checked the league table and Liverpool are only 4 points behind united, nice!
So that would put them only 4 points behind Arsenal right ? 😳 Gee, it seems I really have earned the wrath of the Pizzymonster
Lol I was expecting that, any neutral football fans right now would rather place their money on pool catching united rather than Arsenal. It's a case of the "bigger evil"...
Are you neutral ? It's clear you don't support Arsenal so not sure where you are on this one but whatever your stance the fact remains that Poo, are the same pints behind Arsenal as they are Utd, which is what I was pointing out to you
I support Arsenal I just don't lick Wenger ass, you dickhead! How is it going with your boy Sterling, you Man City supporter! And Liverpool are only 4 points behind United, I know you're worried, could be Europa league football next year LMAO.
I really have gotten under your skin haven't I Pizzy. So you obviously think Wenger is good enough to finish above a Klopp managed Liverpool who have the 2nd best striker in the league as well as Chelsea & Utd. Not bad for a shit manager . I can see why you want him gone As for me, if Utd finish outside top 4 , LVg will rightly be sacked, but I don't think that will be the case, & neither do you. You post too much on emotion& not on logic at times Pizzles. Mind you, if you see the goals Arsenal scored on the weekend as counter attacking goals then maybe posting on logic isn't really an option for you & if I was a City supporter then why would I be worrying about Liverpool finishing above Utd Think before you post , take some time & gather your thoughts & calm down. . I hate to see you unravel lime this
hahahaha he thinks he's gotten under my skin, dude I'm not rwmlite (or whatever his name is) or Cruyff. Klopp is coming in and he has to do a rebuild, yes he would be inheriting the 2nd best/ joint 2nd best striker in the league (Are you still debating that?) but that doesn't change the fact that most of the Liverpool players are not his own, the team have too many strikers, Zero Wingers and pretty average defenders, so he has some rebuilding job to do. But despite this I still see him finishing above a clueless man utd side. It's just a case of United being "shitter" than Arsenal and not that Wenger is doing a great job. Seriously are you really saying a coach that got knocked out by Monaco last year and is about to be eliminated by either Olympiakos or Dynamo Zagreb is doing a great job? I'm pretty sure as a United fan you'll be happy with 8 years no trophy, 11 years no title in fact not even being in the title race on those 11 occasions, not getting past the CL round of 16 in the last 5 years, no CL trophy and no hope of winning it in the nearest future, I'm sure you'll be celebrating such a coach.....
Liverpool won't need wingers under Klopp. Surely you saw & loved watching Dortmund dismantle Arsenal enough to see they get their width through their fullbacks . They play very narrow with & without possession to strangle the opponent This " clueless shit Utd" are only 2 points off the top & level with the best squad in the premier league . Give Klopp this same team & whilst it might take a while to undo the " philoshophy & proshesh " instilled by LVG there is absolutely no doubt in my mind Utd would win the title within 3 seasons. Klopp will definitely have an impact at Pool. Rodger's style when they came 2nd was very similar to Klopps so it won't be the huge overhaul that you seem to think & bare in mind Klopp didn't have the best defenders either, he had to put up with Hummels, a World Cup winner not even as good as a rookie CB Sturridge is a good striker, joint 2nd best ( whatever the fuck that means ) in the premier league, I don't think so, but you pull the stats to prove me wrong. Who do you rate ahead of him & level with him? I have gotten under your skiing Pizzy. You are starting to post absolute drivel where in the past your posts , whilst annoying, usually had some substance to them
you're a joke mate, let me start with the Sturridge thing, I can't even believe you're arguing this. In the list of Premier league Strikers Aguero is no 1, Sturridge is no 2, although Costa's form have been awful this season, an argument could be made that he's joint no 2 with Sturridge that's why I have Daniel has 2nd best/joint best. Now give me the list of strikers better than Sturridge in the EPL, I can't wait for that answer lol. I see you avoided the Wenger question, as a united fan would you be celebrating a united coach that wins fuck all for 8 years, haven't won and competed for the league title for 11 years, never won the champions league, and in the past 5 years has failed to go past the round of 16, and his CL record is even about to get worse so will you be celebrating such a coach or criticizing him? Can't wait for this answer too LOL. You keep showing your ignorance with every post, Klopp's dortmund had wide players who stay wide and cut inside at the same time just like most wingers do today Surely you know Reus and blaszczykowski are wide players right??, one plays on the left and the other play on the right, give your head a shake man... http://www.empireofthekop.com/2015/10/06/explaining-jurgen-klopps-4-2-3-1-gegenpressing-tactic-and-fitting-liverpool-stars-into-it/I suggest you read this, it might help explain to you that wide players are not necessarily wingers but given your bullish attempts to describe Arsenals goals at the weekend as counter attacking goals I doubt even Klopp telling you personally that he plays a narrow formation & likes his FB's to provide the width would satisfy you You get way too excited about your questions Pizzy, if your really get that worked up that you " can't wait " for the answer to your questions then my advice to you would be to get out more Better strikers than Sturridge Aguerro, Costa, no contest . Rooney , although even I could make an argument that he's either in shocking form or simply on the decline right now but it depends what you are judging on, stats or simply what you see Others I put in the same bracket as Sturrdge are Benteke, Lukaku & Kane & we also have the likes of Gomis & of course Martial. If he is as you say the best young player since Messi then surely you can't argue that Sturridge is better than him . Now Pizzles, for someone who whines about insults you have been fairly generous in dishing them out recently, if that's the way you want to proceed then so be it. Answer in a civil manner & I will remain one of the few posters still willing to indulge you on here If there's any doubt that you lack adequate football knowledge that has been put to bed. Reus and Blaszczykowski are NATURAL wide players, regardless of how narrow they play in Klopp system, they have pace and craft in wide positions that none of the Liverpool current players has. I tell you what name the natural wide attacking players in the Liverpool team..
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Oct 10 2015, 04:18 PM
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jbird, I don't think Liverpool have a bad squad. They have several good young players that can form a spine of a very competitive team.
Sturridge, Benteke, Coutinho, Firmino, Ibe, Can, Gomez, Clyne, Moreno - all very good players who can improve further.
But the question is, can they keep hold of all of their best emerging players. They've lost Sterling, they might lose Coutinho or Sturridge in the near future. And even if they keep them right now the team is still not good enough and he will need time to turn things around.
Sturridge was already making Liverpool's attack look a lot better. I bet he goes on a scoring run, with Liverpool putting a few wins together, and all of it is attributed to Klopp.
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Oct 10 2015, 06:45 PM
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I just checked the league table and Liverpool are only 4 points behind united, nice!
So that would put them only 4 points behind Arsenal right ? 😳 Gee, it seems I really have earned the wrath of the Pizzymonster
Lol I was expecting that, any neutral football fans right now would rather place their money on pool catching united rather than Arsenal. It's a case of the "bigger evil"...
Are you neutral ? It's clear you don't support Arsenal so not sure where you are on this one but whatever your stance the fact remains that Poo, are the same pints behind Arsenal as they are Utd, which is what I was pointing out to you
I support Arsenal I just don't lick Wenger ass, you dickhead! How is it going with your boy Sterling, you Man City supporter! And Liverpool are only 4 points behind United, I know you're worried, could be Europa league football next year LMAO.
I really have gotten under your skin haven't I Pizzy. So you obviously think Wenger is good enough to finish above a Klopp managed Liverpool who have the 2nd best striker in the league as well as Chelsea & Utd. Not bad for a shit manager . I can see why you want him gone As for me, if Utd finish outside top 4 , LVg will rightly be sacked, but I don't think that will be the case, & neither do you. You post too much on emotion& not on logic at times Pizzles. Mind you, if you see the goals Arsenal scored on the weekend as counter attacking goals then maybe posting on logic isn't really an option for you & if I was a City supporter then why would I be worrying about Liverpool finishing above Utd Think before you post , take some time & gather your thoughts & calm down. . I hate to see you unravel lime this
hahahaha he thinks he's gotten under my skin, dude I'm not rwmlite (or whatever his name is) or Cruyff. Klopp is coming in and he has to do a rebuild, yes he would be inheriting the 2nd best/ joint 2nd best striker in the league (Are you still debating that?) but that doesn't change the fact that most of the Liverpool players are not his own, the team have too many strikers, Zero Wingers and pretty average defenders, so he has some rebuilding job to do. But despite this I still see him finishing above a clueless man utd side. It's just a case of United being "shitter" than Arsenal and not that Wenger is doing a great job. Seriously are you really saying a coach that got knocked out by Monaco last year and is about to be eliminated by either Olympiakos or Dynamo Zagreb is doing a great job? I'm pretty sure as a United fan you'll be happy with 8 years no trophy, 11 years no title in fact not even being in the title race on those 11 occasions, not getting past the CL round of 16 in the last 5 years, no CL trophy and no hope of winning it in the nearest future, I'm sure you'll be celebrating such a coach.....
Liverpool won't need wingers under Klopp. Surely you saw & loved watching Dortmund dismantle Arsenal enough to see they get their width through their fullbacks . They play very narrow with & without possession to strangle the opponent This " clueless shit Utd" are only 2 points off the top & level with the best squad in the premier league . Give Klopp this same team & whilst it might take a while to undo the " philoshophy & proshesh " instilled by LVG there is absolutely no doubt in my mind Utd would win the title within 3 seasons. Klopp will definitely have an impact at Pool. Rodger's style when they came 2nd was very similar to Klopps so it won't be the huge overhaul that you seem to think & bare in mind Klopp didn't have the best defenders either, he had to put up with Hummels, a World Cup winner not even as good as a rookie CB Sturridge is a good striker, joint 2nd best ( whatever the fuck that means ) in the premier league, I don't think so, but you pull the stats to prove me wrong. Who do you rate ahead of him & level with him? I have gotten under your skiing Pizzy. You are starting to post absolute drivel where in the past your posts , whilst annoying, usually had some substance to them
you're a joke mate, let me start with the Sturridge thing, I can't even believe you're arguing this. In the list of Premier league Strikers Aguero is no 1, Sturridge is no 2, although Costa's form have been awful this season, an argument could be made that he's joint no 2 with Sturridge that's why I have Daniel has 2nd best/joint best. Now give me the list of strikers better than Sturridge in the EPL, I can't wait for that answer lol. I see you avoided the Wenger question, as a united fan would you be celebrating a united coach that wins fuck all for 8 years, haven't won and competed for the league title for 11 years, never won the champions league, and in the past 5 years has failed to go past the round of 16, and his CL record is even about to get worse so will you be celebrating such a coach or criticizing him? Can't wait for this answer too LOL. You keep showing your ignorance with every post, Klopp's dortmund had wide players who stay wide and cut inside at the same time just like most wingers do today Surely you know Reus and blaszczykowski are wide players right??, one plays on the left and the other play on the right, give your head a shake man... http://www.empireofthekop.com/2015/10/06/explaining-jurgen-klopps-4-2-3-1-gegenpressing-tactic-and-fitting-liverpool-stars-into-it/I suggest you read this, it might help explain to you that wide players are not necessarily wingers but given your bullish attempts to describe Arsenals goals at the weekend as counter attacking goals I doubt even Klopp telling you personally that he plays a narrow formation & likes his FB's to provide the width would satisfy you You get way too excited about your questions Pizzy, if your really get that worked up that you " can't wait " for the answer to your questions then my advice to you would be to get out more Better strikers than Sturridge Aguerro, Costa, no contest . Rooney , although even I could make an argument that he's either in shocking form or simply on the decline right now but it depends what you are judging on, stats or simply what you see Others I put in the same bracket as Sturrdge are Benteke, Lukaku & Kane & we also have the likes of Gomis & of course Martial. If he is as you say the best young player since Messi then surely you can't argue that Sturridge is better than him . Now Pizzles, for someone who whines about insults you have been fairly generous in dishing them out recently, if that's the way you want to proceed then so be it. Answer in a civil manner & I will remain one of the few posters still willing to indulge you on here
If there's any doubt that you lack adequate football knowledge that has been put to bed. Reus and Blaszczykowski are NATURAL wide players, regardless of how narrow they play in Klopp system, they have pace and craft in wide positions that none of the Liverpool current players has. I tell you what name the natural wide attacking players in the Liverpool team.. Nothing sinks in does it Pizzy. I explained how Klopps formation worked & even posted an article on it but you, as usual seem to think your opinion trumps all others. As for wide players Pool have Llalana, Can, Milner , Firmino & even possibly Sturridge.
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Oct 10 2015, 06:47 PM
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Too much arrogance and too many bad transfer windows from Rodgers. I still think he's a good manager and will bounce back, but having Klopp on the line made this a no-brainer.
Pool fans should be excited, but there could be some things to worry about.
First off, their squad is a mess and a mix of players of different quality and style. It will take some time to see which players can fit his system. Then there will have to be more money spent and more players sold for a loss.
Secondly, I wonder if his style can really take hold in England. It might be able to, but the EPL is such a physical league. Is the squad really gonna be able to run around like that week in and week out against fierce and physical opposition? Could be lots of injuries to deal with.
BD would usually play high-octane the first 25-30 minutes of the game and blitz teams out of the gate before sitting back. Not sure that's a realistic goal in England, where you can drop points against anyone and where a lot of teams only sit back and counter.
Lastly, there are 4 stronger, more resourceful teams to overcome. Not exactly the same situation as in Germany.
You tell that to Bog.... ? WTF are you on about now Pizzles
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Oct 10 2015, 09:29 PM
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jbird, I don't think Liverpool have a bad squad. They have several good young players that can form a spine of a very competitive team.
Sturridge, Benteke, Coutinho, Firmino, Ibe, Can, Gomez, Clyne, Moreno - all very good players who can improve further.
But the question is, can they keep hold of all of their best emerging players. They've lost Sterling, they might lose Coutinho or Sturridge in the near future. And even if they keep them right now the team is still not good enough and he will need time to turn things around.
Sturridge was already making Liverpool's attack look a lot better. I bet he goes on a scoring run, with Liverpool putting a few wins together, and all of it is attributed to Klopp.
True, that's a decent core but not exactly one that stands out compared to those of the top 4.
I didn't say they had a bad squad though, just a strange one with lots of different types of players.
Sturridge being healthy is certainly one of the keys for whoever their manager is.
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jbird, I don't think Liverpool have a bad squad. They have several good young players that can form a spine of a very competitive team.
Sturridge, Benteke, Coutinho, Firmino, Ibe, Can, Gomez, Clyne, Moreno - all very good players who can improve further.
But the question is, can they keep hold of all of their best emerging players. They've lost Sterling, they might lose Coutinho or Sturridge in the near future. And even if they keep them right now the team is still not good enough and he will need time to turn things around.
Sturridge was already making Liverpool's attack look a lot better. I bet he goes on a scoring run, with Liverpool putting a few wins together, and all of it is attributed to Klopp.
True, that's a decent core but not exactly one that stands out compared to those of the top 4. I didn't say they had a bad squad though, just a strange one with lots of different types of players. Sturridge being healthy is certainly one of the keys for whoever their manager is. If not us, Am glad Klopp went to Liverpool rather than the Money bags. All the players Xidane mentioned are very promising young players.
The main thing Klopp must do is to get the defense not to concede goals. No more 3 at the back, playing Can as the Right back etc. And i think he will get Pool to be a strong defensive unit. I can also see Dejan Lovren improving with Klopp's coaching.
Watching Dortmund for the first 60 minutes of any game they played was incredible. The way the players hounded the opposition when they did not have the ball was a sight to behold. After that they slumber for the next 30 minutes giving the opposition the chance to get back in the game.
I think the Arsenal - Dortmund games were the highlight of our recent CL nights. Even though we could not cope with their pressing most of the time, We totally took advantage of Dortmund tiring after 60 minutes and thus Wenger has a decent record over Klopp. Patience is the key.
I'm very fascinated to see if Klopp can get Pool to gegenpress other teams, the way Dortmund did.
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