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Wenger Strikes again!
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Topic Started: Oct 16 2015, 05:14 AM (225 Views)
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dream_team
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Oct 20 2015, 04:54 AM
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Well he did come close to winning it in 2006, also in 2004, when we should have won it instead of loosing to Ranieri's Chel$kie. Most disappointing Arsenal night of my life.
That is the thing Xidane and Pizzyboy - Wenger's overall record record appears amazing. Top 5 sounds too good to be true.
But the record masks huge issues in his teams.
For Wenger there have been too many embarrassments, too many hammerings, too many tactical flaws exposed in the big games, mental capitulations when the pressure is on etc.
All these blots will ensure Wenger will remain a 'Good manager' but not a 'Great one' in Europe.
Well, unless he wins the CL. I dont see it happening anyway. neary won in 2004? dude we were dumped out by Chelsea in 2004. Wenger is tactically clueless. What Wenger does is try to sign as many fitness freak/athletes as much as possible, that's why sometimes that will work in the EPL but we never work in the CL, it's no coincidence that out CL performance improved when Cesc a technical player broke into the side. Over the years Wenger teams usually win against team, where his side is more fitter, but when fixture congestion set in, the players can not run as much as they did before then the usual season "collapse" starts or when we face team that are ready to match us for fitness and pressing like Klopp's dortmund or Bayern, we get beat. Or when we face a team who are very physical like the Stoke of old not the mark hughes Stoke, we get beat. Or when we face an team with about 3 or 4 world class players we get beat, because that nullifies the fitness. Wenger can ONLY beat teams who have players with inferior fitness level than Arsenal period!
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KamyFC
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Oct 20 2015, 08:18 AM
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- Oct 20 2015, 12:12 AM
Well he did come close to winning it in 2006, also in 2004, when we should have won it instead of loosing to Ranieri's Chel$kie. Most disappointing Arsenal night of my life.
That is the thing Xidane and Pizzyboy - Wenger's overall record record appears amazing. Top 5 sounds too good to be true.
But the record masks huge issues in his teams.
For Wenger there have been too many embarrassments, too many hammerings, too many tactical flaws exposed in the big games, mental capitulations when the pressure is on etc.
All these blots will ensure Wenger will remain a 'Good manager' but not a 'Great one' in Europe.
Well, unless he wins the CL. I dont see it happening anyway.
neary won in 2004? dude we were dumped out by Chelsea in 2004. Wenger is tactically clueless. What Wenger does is try to sign as many fitness freak/athletes as much as possible, that's why sometimes that will work in the EPL but we never work in the CL, it's no coincidence that out CL performance improved when Cesc a technical player broke into the side. Over the years Wenger teams usually win against team, where his side is more fitter, but when fixture congestion set in, the players can not run as much as they did before then the usual season "collapse" starts or when we face team that are ready to match us for fitness and pressing like Klopp's dortmund or Bayern, we get beat. Or when we face a team who are very physical like the Stoke of old not the mark hughes Stoke, we get beat. Or when we face an team with about 3 or 4 world class players we get beat, because that nullifies the fitness. Wenger can ONLY beat teams who have players with inferior fitness level than Arsenal period! wow. Pizzyboy! Am not sure about ur Fitness theory. We suck against the big teams in CL, becos we were never defensively sound - a big reason, IMO.
Anyway the loss to Ranieri's Chel$kie was more disappointing than the loss in the 2006 final for me. That season, we were the team to beat. We were the invincible's. All the 4 Semi Finalist's were beatable - Porto, Monaco and another team.
Bad Wenger CL moment that.
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Oct 20 2015, 08:21 AM
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- Oct 20 2015, 12:12 AM
Well he did come close to winning it in 2006, also in 2004, when we should have won it instead of loosing to Ranieri's Chel$kie. Most disappointing Arsenal night of my life.
That is the thing Xidane and Pizzyboy - Wenger's overall record record appears amazing. Top 5 sounds too good to be true.
But the record masks huge issues in his teams.
For Wenger there have been too many embarrassments, too many hammerings, too many tactical flaws exposed in the big games, mental capitulations when the pressure is on etc.
All these blots will ensure Wenger will remain a 'Good manager' but not a 'Great one' in Europe.
Well, unless he wins the CL. I dont see it happening anyway.
neary won in 2004? dude we were dumped out by Chelsea in 2004. Wenger is tactically clueless. What Wenger does is try to sign as many fitness freak/athletes as much as possible, that's why sometimes that will work in the EPL but we never work in the CL, it's no coincidence that out CL performance improved when Cesc a technical player broke into the side. Over the years Wenger teams usually win against team, where his side is more fitter, but when fixture congestion set in, the players can not run as much as they did before then the usual season "collapse" starts or when we face team that are ready to match us for fitness and pressing like Klopp's dortmund or Bayern, we get beat. Or when we face a team who are very physical like the Stoke of old not the mark hughes Stoke, we get beat. Or when we face an team with about 3 or 4 world class players we get beat, because that nullifies the fitness. Wenger can ONLY beat teams who have players with inferior fitness level than Arsenal period! LOL
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Oct 20 2015, 09:01 AM
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- Oct 20 2015, 12:12 AM
Well he did come close to winning it in 2006, also in 2004, when we should have won it instead of loosing to Ranieri's Chel$kie. Most disappointing Arsenal night of my life.
That is the thing Xidane and Pizzyboy - Wenger's overall record record appears amazing. Top 5 sounds too good to be true.
But the record masks huge issues in his teams.
For Wenger there have been too many embarrassments, too many hammerings, too many tactical flaws exposed in the big games, mental capitulations when the pressure is on etc.
All these blots will ensure Wenger will remain a 'Good manager' but not a 'Great one' in Europe.
Well, unless he wins the CL. I dont see it happening anyway. The losses, even the embarrassments, they are all down to the fact that we just didn't have a good enough team. We could have gotten easier draws and gotten more semi final appearances but it doesn't matter much if you don't win it. And realistically only three teams have dominated the CL - Barca, Bayern, and Real. Very difficult for any other team to win it or even consistently reach the semis. You have to look at Arsenal's record in context.
But yeah, in 2004, we should have won it. That must be a big regret for Wenger. But it's a cup competition in the end and the best teams don't always win.
Last season was a huge disappointment in the CL, and this year is turning out to be the same. I think now we have a good enough team that we can go head to head with other top teams and win. But we are screwing it up against the smaller teams with stupid mistakes.
These games against Bayern could be more of the same, but they could also be a turning point. do well here, and we'd show we can compete for the CL title in the coming years.
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