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Topic Started: Oct 17 2015, 09:00 PM (649 Views)
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Oct 18 2015, 09:19 PM
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Oct 18 2015, 08:38 PM
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Oct 18 2015, 09:42 AM
Supply and demand, blah, blah. That was somebody's argument on here...sadler, maybe?
Well, how would you explain persistently high and rising prices?
Greed. Duh.
If ticket revenue is supposed to improve the club's ability to compete why would artificially low prices benefit true supporters?
Are you playing devils advocate here?
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Oct 18 2015, 09:42 AM
Supply and demand, blah, blah. That was somebody's argument on here...sadler, maybe?
Well, how would you explain persistently high and rising prices?
Greed. Duh.
If ticket revenue is supposed to improve the club's ability to compete why would artificially low prices benefit true supporters?
Are you playing devils advocate here?
I thought he was, but I'm not sure now.

Leaving my snark at the door now, we've had these conversations on here in the past. IMO, football clubs being run strictly as businesses is part of what is killing the average football fan's relationship with the game. Sure, the market may dictate that Arsenal can charge what they are now (and probably even higher), but at what cost? We already bemoan the lack of atmosphere at the Emirates due to the corporate types pushing out the "true" fans. Higher ticket prices just make the problem worse. The thing is, German clubs are able to make it work with, as you (DSCH) say, artificially low prices. I know that ticket prices are a crucial part of Arsenal's income, so I'm not sure how they'd make up the difference...
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Oct 18 2015, 08:38 PM
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Oct 18 2015, 02:16 PM
rw_mlite2
Oct 18 2015, 09:42 AM
Supply and demand, blah, blah. That was somebody's argument on here...sadler, maybe?
Well, how would you explain persistently high and rising prices?
Greed. Duh.
If ticket revenue is supposed to improve the club's ability to compete why would artificially low prices benefit true supporters?
Are you playing devils advocate here?
Sort of. But there are some hard questions that need to be answered if we want (as I do) ticket prices to be more affordable for average supporters. Arsenal play in one of the highest income, highest priced cities in the world. If they don't leverage that advantage where do they make up for the lost opportunity?

And fans still have the same lever they've always had and not yet pulled. If they really want prices to come down, stop buying tickets.
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Oct 19 2015, 10:48 AM
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Oct 18 2015, 08:38 PM
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Oct 18 2015, 02:16 PM
rw_mlite2
Oct 18 2015, 09:42 AM
Supply and demand, blah, blah. That was somebody's argument on here...sadler, maybe?
Well, how would you explain persistently high and rising prices?
Greed. Duh.
If ticket revenue is supposed to improve the club's ability to compete why would artificially low prices benefit true supporters?
Are you playing devils advocate here?
Sort of. But there are some hard questions that need to be answered if we want (as I do) ticket prices to be more affordable for average supporters. Arsenal play in one of the highest income, highest priced cities in the world. If they don't leverage that advantage where do they make up for the lost opportunity?

And fans still have the same lever they've always had and not yet pulled. If they really want prices to come down, stop buying tickets.

But we all know an organized effort such as this can never feasibly happen as the fans who can afford it will step in, further diminishing the atmosphere. It's the same with American sports such as the Super Bowl and college football playoffs. Heck, I'm seeing it locally for the baseball playoffs. I know people that are going, but they've typically lucked into them somehow...or bought them in lieu of vacations or other planned, family events. And don't even get me started on after market ticket sales...
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Oct 19 2015, 10:48 AM
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Oct 18 2015, 08:38 PM
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Oct 18 2015, 02:16 PM
rw_mlite2
Oct 18 2015, 09:42 AM
Supply and demand, blah, blah. That was somebody's argument on here...sadler, maybe?
Well, how would you explain persistently high and rising prices?
Greed. Duh.
If ticket revenue is supposed to improve the club's ability to compete why would artificially low prices benefit true supporters?
Are you playing devils advocate here?
Sort of. But there are some hard questions that need to be answered if we want (as I do) ticket prices to be more affordable for average supporters. Arsenal play in one of the highest income, highest priced cities in the world. If they don't leverage that advantage where do they make up for the lost opportunity?

And fans still have the same lever they've always had and not yet pulled. If they really want prices to come down, stop buying tickets.
That's the point, salary might be high compared to other cities(although this is not the case for a huge number of workers in london), the cost of living is also very high, which means it balances out. Being someone that lives in london I know how this works.
For example a stripper living in Manchester is not any worse than the one living in London, because while the one in london makes more money she loses everything due to high cost of living. So basically Arsenal are making the cost of living even higher for all their fans. And we haven't even consider that a lot of the fans do not live in London...
Edited by dream_team, Oct 20 2015, 04:45 AM.
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Oct 19 2015, 11:33 AM
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Oct 19 2015, 02:26 AM
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Oct 18 2015, 08:38 PM
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Oct 18 2015, 02:16 PM
rw_mlite2
Oct 18 2015, 09:42 AM
Supply and demand, blah, blah. That was somebody's argument on here...sadler, maybe?
Well, how would you explain persistently high and rising prices?
Greed. Duh.
If ticket revenue is supposed to improve the club's ability to compete why would artificially low prices benefit true supporters?
Are you playing devils advocate here?
Sort of. But there are some hard questions that need to be answered if we want (as I do) ticket prices to be more affordable for average supporters. Arsenal play in one of the highest income, highest priced cities in the world. If they don't leverage that advantage where do they make up for the lost opportunity?

And fans still have the same lever they've always had and not yet pulled. If they really want prices to come down, stop buying tickets.

But we all know an organized effort such as this can never feasibly happen as the fans who can afford it will step in, further diminishing the atmosphere. It's the same with American sports such as the Super Bowl and college football playoffs. Heck, I'm seeing it locally for the baseball playoffs. I know people that are going, but they've typically lucked into them somehow...or bought them in lieu of vacations or other planned, family events. And don't even get me started on after market ticket sales...
With apologies...

What do you think would happen to "after market" ticket sales if the club decided to charge less? I think it would be a bonanza for ticket brokers. The club would forgo some revenue, but the "brokers" (above and below board) would be the ones to benefit. "Fans" (however we define them) have already demonstrated a willingness of to pay high prices. If the original ticket price was reduced, more people whose interest is simply in selling them on at a profit would be able to do so.
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Oct 19 2015, 12:14 PM
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Oct 19 2015, 11:33 AM
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Oct 19 2015, 10:48 AM
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Oct 19 2015, 02:26 AM
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Oct 18 2015, 09:19 PM
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Oct 18 2015, 08:38 PM
dsch15
Oct 18 2015, 02:16 PM
rw_mlite2
Oct 18 2015, 09:42 AM
Supply and demand, blah, blah. That was somebody's argument on here...sadler, maybe?
Well, how would you explain persistently high and rising prices?
Greed. Duh.
If ticket revenue is supposed to improve the club's ability to compete why would artificially low prices benefit true supporters?
Are you playing devils advocate here?
Sort of. But there are some hard questions that need to be answered if we want (as I do) ticket prices to be more affordable for average supporters. Arsenal play in one of the highest income, highest priced cities in the world. If they don't leverage that advantage where do they make up for the lost opportunity?

And fans still have the same lever they've always had and not yet pulled. If they really want prices to come down, stop buying tickets.

But we all know an organized effort such as this can never feasibly happen as the fans who can afford it will step in, further diminishing the atmosphere. It's the same with American sports such as the Super Bowl and college football playoffs. Heck, I'm seeing it locally for the baseball playoffs. I know people that are going, but they've typically lucked into them somehow...or bought them in lieu of vacations or other planned, family events. And don't even get me started on after market ticket sales...
With apologies...

What do you think would happen to "after market" ticket sales if the club decided to charge less? I think it would be a bonanza for ticket brokers. The club would forgo some revenue, but the "brokers" (above and below board) would be the ones to benefit. "Fans" (however we define them) have already demonstrated a willingness of to pay high prices. If the original ticket price was reduced, more people whose interest is simply in selling them on at a profit would be able to do so.
Sorry to lead us down this path.

If I was in charge (sorry world), after market sales is where I would strike first. I would put a percentage cap on the amount above face value you could charge. I can't believe that some sort of legislation hasn't been introduced as it is. I've already heard of people who've bought WS tickets...just to be ready to sell them on for hundreds more than they've bought them for. It's all bullshit, if you ask me.
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Oct 19 2015, 11:40 AM
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Oct 19 2015, 10:48 AM
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Oct 19 2015, 02:26 AM
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Oct 18 2015, 09:19 PM
rw_mlite2
Oct 18 2015, 08:38 PM
dsch15
Oct 18 2015, 02:16 PM
rw_mlite2
Oct 18 2015, 09:42 AM
Supply and demand, blah, blah. That was somebody's argument on here...sadler, maybe?
Well, how would you explain persistently high and rising prices?
Greed. Duh.
If ticket revenue is supposed to improve the club's ability to compete why would artificially low prices benefit true supporters?
Are you playing devils advocate here?
Sort of. But there are some hard questions that need to be answered if we want (as I do) ticket prices to be more affordable for average supporters. Arsenal play in one of the highest income, highest priced cities in the world. If they don't leverage that advantage where do they make up for the lost opportunity?

And fans still have the same lever they've always had and not yet pulled. If they really want prices to come down, stop buying tickets.
That's the point, salary might be high compared to other cities(although this is not the case for a huge number of workers in london), the cost of living is also very high, which means it balances out. Being someone that lives in london I know how this works.
For example a stripper living in Manchester is not any worse than the one living in London, because while the one in london makes more money he loses everything due to high cost of living. So basically Arsenal are making the cost of living even higher for all their fans. And we haven't even consider that a lot of the fans do not live in London...
lol
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Of the hundreds, maybe thousands of professions to choose from why the fuck has Pizzy chose male strippers as his example . Maybe it's best not to know
Edited by billabog5, Oct 19 2015, 02:07 PM.
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Oct 19 2015, 02:07 PM
Of the hundreds, maybe thousands of professions to choose from why the fuck has Pizzy chose male strippers as his example . Maybe it's best not to know
Well, I'm doubting it's his profession. So...
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