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Countdown to spending 70 million; Transfer Topic
Topic Started: Jul 12 2013, 05:48 AM (3,202 Views)
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The way I see this there is a very nebulous set of triangular moves possible this year. These are like mexican standoffs, each of which will dislodge once one player goes. The stasis is not just being felt by Arsenal fans. The whole transfer market has slowed down, and this is the third and slowest of three years since most of clubs started to exercise a little caution. No doubt the usual suspects want to paint that as an Arsenal only thing... this is almost mind-numbingly predictable.

Furthermore, there is a long way to go yet. There is clearly a hierarchy in the targets we are seeking. The problem is we all want an absolute marquée signing and it would appear the club are trying to do that, and not moving on down the list quickly one the first option is exhausted. Wenger has spoken more this year than any other about what we are trying to do. Yesterday he said of Higuain, Rooney and Suarez: "They are all realistic targets quality-wise, [although] not all of them are available to join us," Wenger said. "All of those players are under contract and it is the club that decides if they can go and, after, if they can join us. That to me is enough in that it establishes that we aren't going to be signing any old name just to placate the press. It also means that we have actively negotiated, or sought availability with all of the three listed. I am against moves for Suarez or Rooney, but I would point out that we are not "conditioned" into anything as we now have the money.
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phatosas
Jul 13 2013, 01:38 PM
The purpose of my original post was to bring real talk back to the table and also call Ivan Gazidis out a bit for starting all this nonsense in the first place. From what I see a lot of fans are being realistic here. So far in the transfer window no Arsenal player has been linked with a move away from the club so in that sense there is a bit of stability. I think that also limits what we can add to the team. The striker position is one where you feel that Giroud didn't cut it. However it wouldn't surprise me is we don't bring in another striker, after all I think Giroud performed exactly how you expect a player who came from came from France in his first year in the league. If I had to bet with the way Wenger has done things in the past, he would be looking to Giroud to make a huge step forward this season rather than abandoning that signing and looking for an established player to just come in and do the job.

Where I think this whole thing goes crazy is these insane bids we are supposedly making for players. I feel like despite what Gazidis said, this might be one of the more quieter summers, we might make a move or two but it is going to be modest and nothing out of this world. That is not necessarily a bad thing, I feel like keeping the team together would be an improvement to summers past. That is my realistic take on all this anyway, maybe this is a new Arsenal.
I agree with you. I don't think we were ever going to make 4 or 5 signings. There was a lot of talk, during our dip in form in the winter, that Wenger was fed up with this team and would "blow up" the team and start over.
He never does that and, besides, this team is actually a very good one.
What we need is continuity and with our young "british core" being talked up, I never expected Wenger to kill them all with 5 new players.

I think we're making ridiculous bids because we are trying to sign that one player (or two?) that will make us contenders for the title. I do believe we are looking for that marquee striker.
As for Giroud, I think he will improve but he was our only real no.9 last season. Neither Walcott nor Podolski really knew how to play that position. So I think even if we don't sign a Suarez or Rooney we have to sign someone decent in that position who can at the very least push Giroud for a starting spot.

But yeah, the whole WE ARE A BIG SPENDING CLUB NOW is pure PR. I wouldn't say it's bullshit because the club have tried to spend before but failed because the targets picked other clubs. This whole talking up our financial strength and ambition serves to change the narrative around the club a little bit and maybe make us a more attractive destination this summer.
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Jul 13 2013, 07:55 AM
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Jul 12 2013, 03:53 PM
Higuain agent/father said the deal was done
I don't think he said that. He said they were given permission to talk to Arsenal and he was hoping to see his son in the English league soon.
You have a quote?
no a month before he said they got permission (i.e early june, Higuain father/agent said the deal was basically done).
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Just to add to the points, you just have to look over to the old forum to see a lot of posters feeling confident that Arsenal were going to sign 4 or 5 players this summer just because of the BS gazidis said.
And I don't mean to call anyone out but when even someone like DSCH bought what gazidis said, then gazidis most have done a really good PR job in fooling the fans. Someone(I think it was santry not 100% sure) even said if I can't see the difference between what gazidis said this summer and in previous summer that he doesn't know what to say to me.
It's a shame really because I think it is now obvious that the media have used gazidis words to generate a lot of transfer rumours that only very few intelligent fans would be able to see that these are just lies.
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I don't remember people saying 4 or 5 players. Can't blame fans yearning for big transfers. Not much joy to be had if you're skeptical like me. I think transfers might happen if some more dead weight is shipped off and the incoming players wont be Rooney, Suarez or Higuan.
Edited by gundamn, Jul 14 2013, 09:58 AM.
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Jul 14 2013, 12:29 AM
phatosas
Jul 13 2013, 01:38 PM
The purpose of my original post was to bring real talk back to the table and also call Ivan Gazidis out a bit for starting all this nonsense in the first place. From what I see a lot of fans are being realistic here. So far in the transfer window no Arsenal player has been linked with a move away from the club so in that sense there is a bit of stability. I think that also limits what we can add to the team. The striker position is one where you feel that Giroud didn't cut it. However it wouldn't surprise me is we don't bring in another striker, after all I think Giroud performed exactly how you expect a player who came from came from France in his first year in the league. If I had to bet with the way Wenger has done things in the past, he would be looking to Giroud to make a huge step forward this season rather than abandoning that signing and looking for an established player to just come in and do the job.

Where I think this whole thing goes crazy is these insane bids we are supposedly making for players. I feel like despite what Gazidis said, this might be one of the more quieter summers, we might make a move or two but it is going to be modest and nothing out of this world. That is not necessarily a bad thing, I feel like keeping the team together would be an improvement to summers past. That is my realistic take on all this anyway, maybe this is a new Arsenal.
I agree with you. I don't think we were ever going to make 4 or 5 signings. There was a lot of talk, during our dip in form in the winter, that Wenger was fed up with this team and would "blow up" the team and start over.
He never does that and, besides, this team is actually a very good one.
What we need is continuity and with our young "british core" being talked up, I never expected Wenger to kill them all with 5 new players.

I think we're making ridiculous bids because we are trying to sign that one player (or two?) that will make us contenders for the title. I do believe we are looking for that marquee striker.
As for Giroud, I think he will improve but he was our only real no.9 last season. Neither Walcott nor Podolski really knew how to play that position. So I think even if we don't sign a Suarez or Rooney we have to sign someone decent in that position who can at the very least push Giroud for a starting spot.

But yeah, the whole WE ARE A BIG SPENDING CLUB NOW is pure PR. I wouldn't say it's bullshit because the club have tried to spend before but failed because the targets picked other clubs. This whole talking up our financial strength and ambition serves to change the narrative around the club a little bit and maybe make us a more attractive destination this summer.
I think there is a genuine intention to spend big, but probably not a big number of players. It is probably PR motivated to some extent, but then everyone wants to strengthen the team.
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santry_gooner
Jul 13 2013, 03:43 PM
The way I see this there is a very nebulous set of triangular moves possible this year. These are like mexican standoffs, each of which will dislodge once one player goes. The stasis is not just being felt by Arsenal fans. The whole transfer market has slowed down, and this is the third and slowest of three years since most of clubs started to exercise a little caution. No doubt the usual suspects want to paint that as an Arsenal only thing... this is almost mind-numbingly predictable.

Furthermore, there is a long way to go yet. There is clearly a hierarchy in the targets we are seeking. The problem is we all want an absolute marquée signing and it would appear the club are trying to do that, and not moving on down the list quickly one the first option is exhausted. Wenger has spoken more this year than any other about what we are trying to do. Yesterday he said of Higuain, Rooney and Suarez: "They are all realistic targets quality-wise, [although] not all of them are available to join us," Wenger said. "All of those players are under contract and it is the club that decides if they can go and, after, if they can join us. That to me is enough in that it establishes that we aren't going to be signing any old name just to placate the press. It also means that we have actively negotiated, or sought availability with all of the three listed. I am against moves for Suarez or Rooney, but I would point out that we are not "conditioned" into anything as we now have the money.
I would take whatever Wenger says with a grain of salt, it is basically feeding into the notion that Arsenal are making big moves behind the science without really committing to anything. If we don't sign any of these players we can simply say they were not avialable in the first place. I feel like the club certainly likes to be linked to these players and Wenger just tossed a bone out there for the media to jump on but the likelihood of Arsenal making a run for Rooney at that price and with that salary is next to none. I feel the same way about Suarez, infact if Arsenal go after this player that is going to miss the first 6 games because he bit somebody on the pitch during open play while the ball was in the box, then somebody would deserve to be fired. I am holding out hope for Higiuan not because I believe any of the stuff coming out of Wenger's mouth, I simply like the guy, I believe his transfer fee would be reasonable and I think he would be a good fit.
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supercollider7
Jul 14 2013, 12:29 AM
phatosas
Jul 13 2013, 01:38 PM
The purpose of my original post was to bring real talk back to the table and also call Ivan Gazidis out a bit for starting all this nonsense in the first place. From what I see a lot of fans are being realistic here. So far in the transfer window no Arsenal player has been linked with a move away from the club so in that sense there is a bit of stability. I think that also limits what we can add to the team. The striker position is one where you feel that Giroud didn't cut it. However it wouldn't surprise me is we don't bring in another striker, after all I think Giroud performed exactly how you expect a player who came from came from France in his first year in the league. If I had to bet with the way Wenger has done things in the past, he would be looking to Giroud to make a huge step forward this season rather than abandoning that signing and looking for an established player to just come in and do the job.

Where I think this whole thing goes crazy is these insane bids we are supposedly making for players. I feel like despite what Gazidis said, this might be one of the more quieter summers, we might make a move or two but it is going to be modest and nothing out of this world. That is not necessarily a bad thing, I feel like keeping the team together would be an improvement to summers past. That is my realistic take on all this anyway, maybe this is a new Arsenal.
I agree with you. I don't think we were ever going to make 4 or 5 signings. There was a lot of talk, during our dip in form in the winter, that Wenger was fed up with this team and would "blow up" the team and start over.
He never does that and, besides, this team is actually a very good one.
What we need is continuity and with our young "british core" being talked up, I never expected Wenger to kill them all with 5 new players.

I think we're making ridiculous bids because we are trying to sign that one player (or two?) that will make us contenders for the title. I do believe we are looking for that marquee striker.
As for Giroud, I think he will improve but he was our only real no.9 last season. Neither Walcott nor Podolski really knew how to play that position. So I think even if we don't sign a Suarez or Rooney we have to sign someone decent in that position who can at the very least push Giroud for a starting spot.

But yeah, the whole WE ARE A BIG SPENDING CLUB NOW is pure PR. I wouldn't say it's bullshit because the club have tried to spend before but failed because the targets picked other clubs. This whole talking up our financial strength and ambition serves to change the narrative around the club a little bit and maybe make us a more attractive destination this summer.
Whatever PR moves the club made to change the narrative around the club worked, there is no question about that. I personally hope that it is not just PR, I feel like we are not too far away and a couple of marque signings could push Arsenal over the hump. The bottom line is transfer rumors this summer would not be enough, even if there is indeed proof that we genuinely tried to sign these players. Since the club has decided to come out openly and talk about spending, they just have to deliver or they should rightfully be seen as frauds.
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madasameataxe
Jul 13 2013, 06:45 AM
You would think though that it would have made sense to complete transfers before the trip to Asia so they could bed into the team. I know we have more friendlies (and the highly prestigious Emirates Cup) before the season starts but surely the longer they have to gel in preseason the better.
Welcome, madasameataxe. I wasn't sure if you were around anymore.

Anyway, I couldn't agree with you more. Not to mention that both Wenger and Gazidis are in Asia. That means they aren't in London working on transfers.
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rw_mlite2
Jul 14 2013, 07:21 PM
madasameataxe
Jul 13 2013, 06:45 AM
You would think though that it would have made sense to complete transfers before the trip to Asia so they could bed into the team. I know we have more friendlies (and the highly prestigious Emirates Cup) before the season starts but surely the longer they have to gel in preseason the better.
Welcome, madasameataxe. I wasn't sure if you were around anymore.

Anyway, I couldn't agree with you more. Not to mention that both Wenger and Gazidis are in Asia. That means they aren't in London working on transfers.
Please pardon my smart assedness here mate, but major advances have been made in communixcations over the last few years. You don't have to be in London to be doing business in London and throughout the world. On a recent MB ride, one of my buddies was handling reservations for his business at every stop.
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