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Countdown to spending 70 million; Transfer Topic
Topic Started: Jul 12 2013, 05:48 AM (3,197 Views)
Gooner0893

JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jul 16 2013, 11:25 AM
phatosas
Jul 16 2013, 07:39 AM
Let me clarify something here, I think Suarez is a talented player and based on what other clubs like Chelsea, Man City and Real Madrid pay for players, 35 mil might seem about right. Manchester City for example paid 38 million for Aguerro who perhaps is on the same level as Suarez. Arsenal on the other hand are a club that typically get value for money and if we are going to spend 35 mil for one player, you have to put it on the Arsenal scale. Arsenal for example paid 12mil for Cazorla, I don't think Suarez is at a different level from Carzola let alone worth 3 times what we paid for Carzola. That is not even taking into consideration the character issues which should further lower his valuation. Like Aguerro it wouldn't surprise me if Suarez has a down season as teams key in on him following his exploits from the previous season. I am unconvinced that Suarez is the type of player that can guarantee you 40 goals a season every year, after all he has only done it once. It think the potential for this to be an embarassing signing for Arsenal is just too big to take such a gamble.
I think that the relative price tags for Cazorla and Suarez are born of two factors. Cazorla was simply another marketplace master stroke by Le Boss. Suarez is a prolific striker and arguably one of the top ten most talented players on this planet, and there is a hefty premium that must be paid for each. The difference in their worth is also down to the fact that Suarez is a far more dynamic and influential player, and he doesn't have to score 40 goals to make the Arsenal attack the EPL's most dangerous once more.

It would certainly be ideal if Arsenal's first record busting signing this summer was a player of absolutely impeccable character, but I don't think that should deter the Gunners from adding the Teething Uruguayan. As I've mentioned on a couple of occasions, there would be personal conduct clauses galore that would see him without a paycheck at the first transgression, and even if he bit Rio Ferdinand on the ass, he would still have great resale value considering his age and talent.
Great post JODB! You have even convinced me to join those who support this possible trade .
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jays712
Jul 16 2013, 01:18 PM
The Cazorla signing was a brilliant piece of business. Just remember that Malaga were in a world of financial trouble when they made that deal which I think played a part in us getting him below market value. Two strange things have happened since then: Malaga went further in the CL last year than we did and now they've been booted from the CL this season due to their continued financial struggles.
Excellent point. This is why using the Cazorla signing as a barometer for future signings is wrong. Also, as JODB pointed out, Suarez is more important and plays a more significant role towards helping a team win. He can be the difference between a top team winning the league or not. He is in the same category as Aguero who Man City paid 38 mil for. He is already on a premier league team and he is coming off his best season in England, the biting incident not withstanding. He will cost at the very least 40 mil pounds.
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Jul 16 2013, 01:18 PM
The Cazorla signing was a brilliant piece of business. Just remember that Malaga were in a world of financial trouble when they made that deal which I think played a part in us getting him below market value. Two strange things have happened since then: Malaga went further in the CL last year than we did and now they've been booted from the CL this season due to their continued financial struggles.
like I said earlier Malaga had no choice really other than to sell cazorla for any decent price. And like JODB said suarez is easily in the top 10 in the world and he's more than just goals. I'm afraid to get a top 10 player from one of your rivals will require an enormous amount of cash.
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Gooner0893
Jul 16 2013, 06:49 AM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jul 15 2013, 08:23 PM
supercollider7
Jul 15 2013, 08:03 PM
aussiefan
Jul 15 2013, 06:56 PM
Is it just me ? I get the same sick feeling that it will be the "same old" Arsene speak and the only business we will do is on the last day. "We tried but we could not find a player of suitable quality" has been his catch cry for a number of years now. How I want one player in the class of DB10 just to instil into me that we are at least serious.
I think Cazorla is definitely close to being in that class. Incredible player. I still can't believe we got him for 12m.
As much as I love Santi, I must cry out "blasphemy" here.
I agree. That is sacrilegious!
I am guilty.

But really, he is like Bergkamp in the fact that he is a world class player. And he is one of the best players in the league.
Not suggesting he is at that level, though.

But the thing about Bergkamp was that in 1995 we broke our transfer record, we broke our wage structure, and borrowed money to sign a proven world class talent.

Bergkamp was a Tottenham fan, and wanted desperately to sign for Tottenham, but we took the risk that they didn't want to and reaped the rewards.

And we need to do a bit of that again. Push the boat out and sign one or two big players and kick start an era of success.

Unfortunately looks like it'll be rat-face Suarez who might end up being the new Bergkamp.
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Jul 16 2013, 10:42 PM
Gooner0893
Jul 16 2013, 06:49 AM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jul 15 2013, 08:23 PM
supercollider7
Jul 15 2013, 08:03 PM
aussiefan
Jul 15 2013, 06:56 PM
Is it just me ? I get the same sick feeling that it will be the "same old" Arsene speak and the only business we will do is on the last day. "We tried but we could not find a player of suitable quality" has been his catch cry for a number of years now. How I want one player in the class of DB10 just to instil into me that we are at least serious.
I think Cazorla is definitely close to being in that class. Incredible player. I still can't believe we got him for 12m.
As much as I love Santi, I must cry out "blasphemy" here.
I agree. That is sacrilegious!
I am guilty.

But really, he is like Bergkamp in the fact that he is a world class player. And he is one of the best players in the league.
Not suggesting he is at that level, though.

But the thing about Bergkamp was that in 1995 we broke our transfer record, we broke our wage structure, and borrowed money to sign a proven world class talent.

Bergkamp was a Tottenham fan, and wanted desperately to sign for Tottenham, but we took the risk that they didn't want to and reaped the rewards.

And we need to do a bit of that again. Push the boat out and sign one or two big players and kick start an era of success.

Unfortunately looks like it'll be rat-face Suarez who might end up being the new Bergkamp.
As bearer of his name, I forgive you son, though you must say ten Hail Marys.

The first big domino needs to fall. I don't care if it's Suarez, Hiquain or Rooney, a statement of intent must be made soon.
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cruyff_turn
Jul 16 2013, 08:22 AM
phatosas
Jul 16 2013, 07:39 AM
Let me clarify something here, I think Suarez is a talented player and based on what other clubs like Chelsea, Man City and Real Madrid pay for players, 35 mil might seem about right. Manchester City for example paid 38 million for Aguerro who perhaps is on the same level as Suarez. Arsenal on the other hand are a club that typically get value for money and if we are going to spend 35 mil for one player, you have to put it on the Arsenal scale. Arsenal for example paid 12mil for Cazorla, I don't think Suarez is at a different level from Carzola let alone worth 3 times what we paid for Carzola. That is not even taking into consideration the character issues which should further lower his valuation. Like Aguerro it wouldn't surprise me if Suarez has a down season as teams key in on him following his exploits from the previous season. I am unconvinced that Suarez is the type of player that can guarantee you 40 goals a season every year, after all he has only done it once. It think the potential for this to be an embarassing signing for Arsenal is just too big to take such a gamble.
In any event, I think you'd have to step back from your OP in this thread. Arsenal appear to be "putting their money where their mouth is."
cruyff there are too different issues here, the nerd in the class asks the prom queen on a date and that instantly changes the perception of him. However unless he closes the deal and actually takes the girl on that date, all he has done is show some balls, it doesnt mean anything. Now that girl turns out to be promiscuous and the nerd withdraws his entire savings to woo this girl, now that is a scary thought. Now to think that there are even more beautiful, well behaved girls in the class that he wouldnt even have to spend that much to get and yet he is going after this girl makes no sense.

Now enough of my analogy, Arsenal's summer would be judged by who we end up signing, not on the noise we have made all summer. Now if the statement signing we make turns out to be Suarez, that would be a different type of disaster.
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phatosas
Jul 16 2013, 11:55 PM
cruyff_turn
Jul 16 2013, 08:22 AM
phatosas
Jul 16 2013, 07:39 AM
Let me clarify something here, I think Suarez is a talented player and based on what other clubs like Chelsea, Man City and Real Madrid pay for players, 35 mil might seem about right. Manchester City for example paid 38 million for Aguerro who perhaps is on the same level as Suarez. Arsenal on the other hand are a club that typically get value for money and if we are going to spend 35 mil for one player, you have to put it on the Arsenal scale. Arsenal for example paid 12mil for Cazorla, I don't think Suarez is at a different level from Carzola let alone worth 3 times what we paid for Carzola. That is not even taking into consideration the character issues which should further lower his valuation. Like Aguerro it wouldn't surprise me if Suarez has a down season as teams key in on him following his exploits from the previous season. I am unconvinced that Suarez is the type of player that can guarantee you 40 goals a season every year, after all he has only done it once. It think the potential for this to be an embarassing signing for Arsenal is just too big to take such a gamble.
In any event, I think you'd have to step back from your OP in this thread. Arsenal appear to be "putting their money where their mouth is."
cruyff there are too different issues here, the nerd in the class asks the prom queen on a date and that instantly changes the perception of him. However unless he closes the deal and actually takes the girl on that date, all he has done is show some balls, it doesnt mean anything. Now that girl turns out to be promiscuous and the nerd withdraws his entire savings to woo this girl, now that is a scary thought. Now to think that there are even more beautiful, well behaved girls in the class that he wouldnt even have to spend that much to get and yet he is going after this girl makes no sense.

Now enough of my analogy, Arsenal's summer would be judged by who we end up signing, not on the noise we have made all summer. Now if the statement signing we make turns out to be Suarez, that would be a different type of disaster.
haha! loved that analogy of yours.

Suarez is a kind of guy who will bang 20+ goals for u, but will start throwing tantrums the moment a club like Real Madrid or Barca comes calling - Saying stuff like its my dream to go to Spain etc.

Thatz the problem with unstable characters. They will ditch u when u need them the most.

Hey, if we dont get anyone else we would rather have Suarez.

How bout Rooney? He seems pretty unsettled - time to make a move? He seems to be a much more stable and loyal character than Suarez.
And i cant believe we still haven't bid for Higuain. This window is getting interesting by the day.

Edited by KamyFC, Jul 17 2013, 12:07 AM.
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cruyff_turn
Jul 16 2013, 01:10 PM
"Overall, my thought on Wayne is that if for any reason we had an injury to Robin van Persie we are going to need him. I want as many options as possible." - David Moyes.

Which top striker wont get pissed by such statements by ur manager?
Is this the first sign which shows that Moyes is facing situations he never faced during his time at Everton...

Rooney is unhappy and there is a disconnect between what Moyes is saying to the press and whatz happening inside.

By the way Jose Mourinho is making a comment bout Rooney every day. I see a bid from the money bags, soon.
Edited by KamyFC, Jul 17 2013, 12:14 AM.
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phatosas
Jul 16 2013, 11:55 PM
cruyff_turn
Jul 16 2013, 08:22 AM
phatosas
Jul 16 2013, 07:39 AM
Let me clarify something here, I think Suarez is a talented player and based on what other clubs like Chelsea, Man City and Real Madrid pay for players, 35 mil might seem about right. Manchester City for example paid 38 million for Aguerro who perhaps is on the same level as Suarez. Arsenal on the other hand are a club that typically get value for money and if we are going to spend 35 mil for one player, you have to put it on the Arsenal scale. Arsenal for example paid 12mil for Cazorla, I don't think Suarez is at a different level from Carzola let alone worth 3 times what we paid for Carzola. That is not even taking into consideration the character issues which should further lower his valuation. Like Aguerro it wouldn't surprise me if Suarez has a down season as teams key in on him following his exploits from the previous season. I am unconvinced that Suarez is the type of player that can guarantee you 40 goals a season every year, after all he has only done it once. It think the potential for this to be an embarassing signing for Arsenal is just too big to take such a gamble.
In any event, I think you'd have to step back from your OP in this thread. Arsenal appear to be "putting their money where their mouth is."
cruyff there are too different issues here, the nerd in the class asks the prom queen on a date and that instantly changes the perception of him. However unless he closes the deal and actually takes the girl on that date, all he has done is show some balls, it doesnt mean anything. Now that girl turns out to be promiscuous and the nerd withdraws his entire savings to woo this girl, now that is a scary thought. Now to think that there are even more beautiful, well behaved girls in the class that he wouldnt even have to spend that much to get and yet he is going after this girl makes no sense.

Now enough of my analogy, Arsenal's summer would be judged by who we end up signing, not on the noise we have made all summer. Now if the statement signing we make turns out to be Suarez, that would be a different type of disaster.
This Prom queen will chomp down on your little parts if you let it stick around too long. ;P
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Jul 17 2013, 01:42 AM
phatosas
Jul 16 2013, 11:55 PM
cruyff_turn
Jul 16 2013, 08:22 AM
phatosas
Jul 16 2013, 07:39 AM
Let me clarify something here, I think Suarez is a talented player and based on what other clubs like Chelsea, Man City and Real Madrid pay for players, 35 mil might seem about right. Manchester City for example paid 38 million for Aguerro who perhaps is on the same level as Suarez. Arsenal on the other hand are a club that typically get value for money and if we are going to spend 35 mil for one player, you have to put it on the Arsenal scale. Arsenal for example paid 12mil for Cazorla, I don't think Suarez is at a different level from Carzola let alone worth 3 times what we paid for Carzola. That is not even taking into consideration the character issues which should further lower his valuation. Like Aguerro it wouldn't surprise me if Suarez has a down season as teams key in on him following his exploits from the previous season. I am unconvinced that Suarez is the type of player that can guarantee you 40 goals a season every year, after all he has only done it once. It think the potential for this to be an embarassing signing for Arsenal is just too big to take such a gamble.
In any event, I think you'd have to step back from your OP in this thread. Arsenal appear to be "putting their money where their mouth is."
cruyff there are too different issues here, the nerd in the class asks the prom queen on a date and that instantly changes the perception of him. However unless he closes the deal and actually takes the girl on that date, all he has done is show some balls, it doesnt mean anything. Now that girl turns out to be promiscuous and the nerd withdraws his entire savings to woo this girl, now that is a scary thought. Now to think that there are even more beautiful, well behaved girls in the class that he wouldnt even have to spend that much to get and yet he is going after this girl makes no sense.

Now enough of my analogy, Arsenal's summer would be judged by who we end up signing, not on the noise we have made all summer. Now if the statement signing we make turns out to be Suarez, that would be a different type of disaster.
This Prom queen will chomp down on your little parts if you let it stick around too long. ;P
Why how dare you Hitman show such disrespect to a player like that.
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