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Jul 29 2013, 02:49 PM
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I have no idea why Phato thinks Suarez cannot play in the middle in a 433. He has been doing that for some time now for both club and country and doing it rather well by most accounts. Not sure where he played while at Ajax. BTW, Suarez is not small unless you consider 5' 11'' smallish. That is probably a nice build that gives him a good combination of mobility and strength on the ball. Exactly lol, he plays in that position for both club and country, yet for some reason he won't be able to do it at Arsenal
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Jul 29 2013, 06:54 PM
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I have no idea why Phato thinks Suarez cannot play in the middle in a 433. He has been doing that for some time now for both club and country and doing it rather well by most accounts. Not sure where he played while at Ajax. BTW, Suarez is not small unless you consider 5' 11'' smallish. That is probably a nice build that gives him a good combination of mobility and strength on the ball.
Exactly lol, he plays in that position for both club and country, yet for some reason he won't be able to do it at Arsenal At the 2010 World Cup Forlan scored 5 goals, what position was he playing?
I would make it easy for you, a 4-3-3 formation looks like this
Right Forward -----------Suarez---------------left forward
Please can you show me where Forlan was playing. Now as for Liverpool, indeed he played alone up to the point where Liverpool felt he was too isolated and signed Daniel Sturridge. In any case what a player has done before they move to another club doesn't matter because we play a completely different system. The possession game we play is built around our forward holding the ball and bringing the midfield into the game. Poldoski came to Arsenal as a decent forward and got lot in our system playing in the forward position. There is no guarantee a new signing would come in and just slot in, perhaps Wenger has plan to probably go back to 4-4-2.
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Jul 29 2013, 09:12 PM
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I have no idea why Phato thinks Suarez cannot play in the middle in a 433. He has been doing that for some time now for both club and country and doing it rather well by most accounts. Not sure where he played while at Ajax. BTW, Suarez is not small unless you consider 5' 11'' smallish. That is probably a nice build that gives him a good combination of mobility and strength on the ball.
Exactly lol, he plays in that position for both club and country, yet for some reason he won't be able to do it at Arsenal
At the 2010 World Cup Forlan scored 5 goals, what position was he playing? I would make it easy for you, a 4-3-3 formation looks like this Right Forward -----------Suarez---------------left forward Please can you show me where Forlan was playing. Now as for Liverpool, indeed he played alone up to the point where Liverpool felt he was too isolated and signed Daniel Sturridge. In any case what a player has done before they move to another club doesn't matter because we play a completely different system. The possession game we play is built around our forward holding the ball and bringing the midfield into the game. Poldoski came to Arsenal as a decent forward and got lot in our system playing in the forward position. There is no guarantee a new signing would come in and just slot in, perhaps Wenger has plan to probably go back to 4-4-2. Phato, you really havent watched Uruguay in a while, have you? Did you watch them when Suarez led them to a Copa America win. He is a very capable center forward.
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Jul 29 2013, 09:19 PM
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I have no idea why Phato thinks Suarez cannot play in the middle in a 433. He has been doing that for some time now for both club and country and doing it rather well by most accounts. Not sure where he played while at Ajax. BTW, Suarez is not small unless you consider 5' 11'' smallish. That is probably a nice build that gives him a good combination of mobility and strength on the ball.
Exactly lol, he plays in that position for both club and country, yet for some reason he won't be able to do it at Arsenal
At the 2010 World Cup Forlan scored 5 goals, what position was he playing? I would make it easy for you, a 4-3-3 formation looks like this Right Forward -----------Suarez---------------left forward Please can you show me where Forlan was playing. Now as for Liverpool, indeed he played alone up to the point where Liverpool felt he was too isolated and signed Daniel Sturridge. In any case what a player has done before they move to another club doesn't matter because we play a completely different system. The possession game we play is built around our forward holding the ball and bringing the midfield into the game. Poldoski came to Arsenal as a decent forward and got lot in our system playing in the forward position. There is no guarantee a new signing would come in and just slot in, perhaps Wenger has plan to probably go back to 4-4-2. You are correct about Forlan playing in the center in the last World Cup with Suarez out on the left. However, Suarez has since replaced him there. These days, when he does play, Forlan actually operates on the left in that 3 man attack. That's how they lined up in this year's Con. Fed. tournament in Brasil. But the best thing about Suarez is that he is very versatile, unlike Giroud, and will definitely fit into whatever formation Wenger wants to use him in.
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Jul 29 2013, 10:44 PM
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I have no idea why Phato thinks Suarez cannot play in the middle in a 433. He has been doing that for some time now for both club and country and doing it rather well by most accounts. Not sure where he played while at Ajax. BTW, Suarez is not small unless you consider 5' 11'' smallish. That is probably a nice build that gives him a good combination of mobility and strength on the ball.
Exactly lol, he plays in that position for both club and country, yet for some reason he won't be able to do it at Arsenal
At the 2010 World Cup Forlan scored 5 goals, what position was he playing? I would make it easy for you, a 4-3-3 formation looks like this Right Forward -----------Suarez---------------left forward Please can you show me where Forlan was playing. Now as for Liverpool, indeed he played alone up to the point where Liverpool felt he was too isolated and signed Daniel Sturridge. In any case what a player has done before they move to another club doesn't matter because we play a completely different system. The possession game we play is built around our forward holding the ball and bringing the midfield into the game. Poldoski came to Arsenal as a decent forward and got lot in our system playing in the forward position. There is no guarantee a new signing would come in and just slot in, perhaps Wenger has plan to probably go back to 4-4-2.
You are correct about Forlan playing in the center in the last World Cup with Suarez out on the left. However, Suarez has since replaced him there. These days, when he does play, Forlan actually operates on the left in that 3 man attack. That's how they lined up in this year's Con. Fed. tournament in Brasil. But the best thing about Suarez is that he is very versatile, unlike Giroud, and will definitely fit into whatever formation Wenger wants to use him in. The reason why I used the world cup as a reference point was because that was a competition where Uruguay actually did well. At the conferations cup they won two games, one against Nigeria and the other against Tiahiti and they lost two games against Spain and Brazil. There is nothing that can be made out of the competition but in any case Uruguay play a different system from Arsenal. They basically defend in numbers and counter attack. When a team counter attacks, there are no forwards. Its give and go as the team tries to move the ball forward as quickly as possible. At Arsenal we need possesion, if we have less than 50% of the possesion we look discombobulated. The central forward is a very important part of retaining possesion. I would say we should wait and see how it works out but I am hoping something happens to prevent this deal from happening.
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Jul 29 2013, 11:14 PM
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I have no idea why Phato thinks Suarez cannot play in the middle in a 433. He has been doing that for some time now for both club and country and doing it rather well by most accounts. Not sure where he played while at Ajax. BTW, Suarez is not small unless you consider 5' 11'' smallish. That is probably a nice build that gives him a good combination of mobility and strength on the ball.
Exactly lol, he plays in that position for both club and country, yet for some reason he won't be able to do it at Arsenal
At the 2010 World Cup Forlan scored 5 goals, what position was he playing? I would make it easy for you, a 4-3-3 formation looks like this Right Forward -----------Suarez---------------left forward Please can you show me where Forlan was playing. Now as for Liverpool, indeed he played alone up to the point where Liverpool felt he was too isolated and signed Daniel Sturridge. In any case what a player has done before they move to another club doesn't matter because we play a completely different system. The possession game we play is built around our forward holding the ball and bringing the midfield into the game. Poldoski came to Arsenal as a decent forward and got lot in our system playing in the forward position. There is no guarantee a new signing would come in and just slot in, perhaps Wenger has plan to probably go back to 4-4-2.
You are correct about Forlan playing in the center in the last World Cup with Suarez out on the left. However, Suarez has since replaced him there. These days, when he does play, Forlan actually operates on the left in that 3 man attack. That's how they lined up in this year's Con. Fed. tournament in Brasil. But the best thing about Suarez is that he is very versatile, unlike Giroud, and will definitely fit into whatever formation Wenger wants to use him in.
The reason why I used the world cup as a reference point was because that was a competition where Uruguay actually did well. At the conferations cup they won two games, one against Nigeria and the other against Tiahiti and they lost two games against Spain and Brazil. There is nothing that can be made out of the competition but in any case Uruguay play a different system from Arsenal. They basically defend in numbers and counter attack. When a team counter attacks, there are no forwards. Its give and go as the team tries to move the ball forward as quickly as possible. At Arsenal we need possesion, if we have less than 50% of the possesion we look discombobulated. The central forward is a very important part of retaining possesion. I would say we should wait and see how it works out but I am hoping something happens to prevent this deal from happening. As 0893 pointed out, He also played in the center last year and they won Copa America,
Liverpool happens to be the only other team that I support in the EPL besides Arsenal. Let me tell you that Suarez is one of the best when it comes to retaining possession. On the other hand Giroud is one of the worst in the EPL. He only seems capable of making a one-touch pass and he sometimes does this well. Whenever he takes multiple touches or tries to beat a defender he almost always loses possession. I find it very frustrating watching him do this regularly. Suarez will be a significant upgrade for sure. BTW, I believe Giroud would be much more effective in a 442 playing besides Suarez.
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Jul 29 2013, 11:20 PM
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I have no idea why Phato thinks Suarez cannot play in the middle in a 433. He has been doing that for some time now for both club and country and doing it rather well by most accounts. Not sure where he played while at Ajax. BTW, Suarez is not small unless you consider 5' 11'' smallish. That is probably a nice build that gives him a good combination of mobility and strength on the ball.
Exactly lol, he plays in that position for both club and country, yet for some reason he won't be able to do it at Arsenal
At the 2010 World Cup Forlan scored 5 goals, what position was he playing? I would make it easy for you, a 4-3-3 formation looks like this Right Forward -----------Suarez---------------left forward Please can you show me where Forlan was playing. Now as for Liverpool, indeed he played alone up to the point where Liverpool felt he was too isolated and signed Daniel Sturridge. In any case what a player has done before they move to another club doesn't matter because we play a completely different system. The possession game we play is built around our forward holding the ball and bringing the midfield into the game. Poldoski came to Arsenal as a decent forward and got lot in our system playing in the forward position. There is no guarantee a new signing would come in and just slot in, perhaps Wenger has plan to probably go back to 4-4-2. Phato that was 3 years ago, the uruguayan team has since changed, they played in the copa america and won it with Suarez as CF,is that big enough competition for you? Forlan doesn't start regularly and like someone pointed out when he starts he plays on the left. I find it funny that you'll rather judge a team from 3 years ago than recently.
BTW real madrid also play a completely different system to arsenal, in fact they are 100% counter attack, so how would Higuain have fitted in?
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Jul 30 2013, 06:35 AM
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I have no idea why Phato thinks Suarez cannot play in the middle in a 433. He has been doing that for some time now for both club and country and doing it rather well by most accounts. Not sure where he played while at Ajax. BTW, Suarez is not small unless you consider 5' 11'' smallish. That is probably a nice build that gives him a good combination of mobility and strength on the ball.
Exactly lol, he plays in that position for both club and country, yet for some reason he won't be able to do it at Arsenal
At the 2010 World Cup Forlan scored 5 goals, what position was he playing? I would make it easy for you, a 4-3-3 formation looks like this Right Forward -----------Suarez---------------left forward Please can you show me where Forlan was playing. Now as for Liverpool, indeed he played alone up to the point where Liverpool felt he was too isolated and signed Daniel Sturridge. In any case what a player has done before they move to another club doesn't matter because we play a completely different system. The possession game we play is built around our forward holding the ball and bringing the midfield into the game. Poldoski came to Arsenal as a decent forward and got lot in our system playing in the forward position. There is no guarantee a new signing would come in and just slot in, perhaps Wenger has plan to probably go back to 4-4-2.
You are correct about Forlan playing in the center in the last World Cup with Suarez out on the left. However, Suarez has since replaced him there. These days, when he does play, Forlan actually operates on the left in that 3 man attack. That's how they lined up in this year's Con. Fed. tournament in Brasil. But the best thing about Suarez is that he is very versatile, unlike Giroud, and will definitely fit into whatever formation Wenger wants to use him in.
The reason why I used the world cup as a reference point was because that was a competition where Uruguay actually did well. At the conferations cup they won two games, one against Nigeria and the other against Tiahiti and they lost two games against Spain and Brazil. There is nothing that can be made out of the competition but in any case Uruguay play a different system from Arsenal. They basically defend in numbers and counter attack. When a team counter attacks, there are no forwards. Its give and go as the team tries to move the ball forward as quickly as possible. At Arsenal we need possesion, if we have less than 50% of the possesion we look discombobulated. The central forward is a very important part of retaining possesion. I would say we should wait and see how it works out but I am hoping something happens to prevent this deal from happening. They won the Copa with Suarez leading the attack. He was actually their best player and won the player of the tournament award by leading the Uruguay attack.
http://deportesus.terra.com/sports/copaamerica/2011/noticias/0,,OI5259020-EI18218,00-Luis+Suarez+wins+best+player+of+the+Copa+America+Villar+best+goalie.html
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Oct 27 2013, 11:49 AM
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Oct 27 2013, 11:52 AM
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I personally believe that if what they say about our bid for Suarez is true, we have crossed the point of just signing a player to the point where we are making the signing more as a statement that we actually spent the money that Arsenal fans have been calling on the club to spend for a long time. On the other hand it might just be that we have too much money and have no idea how to go about spending it. In either case I would be incredibly upset since we spent years penny pinching, having a player like Almunia in goal, signing a player like Silvestre which was clearly a financial move, the list goes on and on where we just tried to squeeze a penny here and there. If we did all that to save money and then blow it on an a-hole like Suarez, I would have a very difficult time forgiving the club.
I believe 40 mil is about the going rate for Suarez so we're attempting to pay what his approximate value is, warts and all. The fact that we're not trying to pinch a penny here is such a deviation from the norm that it could appear at first glance that we're making a statement signing when in reality we may be finally willing and able to spend some real money.
The fact that a player scores 30 goals for a club in one season doesnt mean you should pay through your nose for that player. Man City learned the hard way with Adebayor. That doesnt mean Suarez is going to be a bust like Adebayor, however there is potential for this move to seriously embarrass Arsenal if it doesnt work out. There are even cases when a player is proven beyond reasonable doubt but under the burden of a huge contract struggle to justify the fee. An example is Torres at Chelsea who proved his worth at Liverpool before making a move to Chelsea. Liverpool paid 22 mil for Suarez a couple of years ago, in his first year he scored 4 goals, 17 in his second season and last season he scored 30 goals. Clearly his current valuation is skewed by what he did in one season but that shouldnt increase his transfer worth to almost double what Liverpool paid for him. Anyway I feel we are shopping for the wrong type of player, we should be looking for the Suarez's and Higuain's of this world before the make that jump to a bigger club.
in his first year he joined when more than half of the season was gone he played only 13 games in that season phato, I would assume he would have needed at least 3-4 games to get used to a new country, new league, tougher league new team mates. Giroud has played one full season of which he played 47 games and he's still apparently adapting. I think suarez deserves to be given a break for not scoring 13 goals in 13 games in his 1st year, and I'm pretty sure not all 13 were starts in his first half season where he had no pre season. In his first full season he scored 17 goals with 10 assist from 39 games in a team that finished 8th, I think that's pretty impressive considering a certain striker in a top 4 team had more or less the same number of goals and assists from 47 games in his first full season. In his 2nd full season he improved his numbers again 30 goals 11 assists from 44 games in a team that finish 7th. If liverpool disgraceful league position in the last 3 seasons does not indicate to you that suarez situation can't really be compared to adebayor and Torres then nothing will.
I had forgotten that Suarez was bought during the January transfer window. This guy is not even at his peak yet in the EPL. I just hope we get him. the beauty of this board it took less than 10 seconds to find this thread!
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