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He's SUSPENDED for 16% of the season right off the bat, with or without the extra baggage. Ridiculous if this happens. Slightly more ridiculous, on the other hand, if nothing happens.
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jays712
Jul 24 2013, 11:43 AM
phatosas
Jul 24 2013, 11:28 AM
I personally believe that if what they say about our bid for Suarez is true, we have crossed the point of just signing a player to the point where we are making the signing more as a statement that we actually spent the money that Arsenal fans have been calling on the club to spend for a long time. On the other hand it might just be that we have too much money and have no idea how to go about spending it. In either case I would be incredibly upset since we spent years penny pinching, having a player like Almunia in goal, signing a player like Silvestre which was clearly a financial move, the list goes on and on where we just tried to squeeze a penny here and there. If we did all that to save money and then blow it on an a-hole like Suarez, I would have a very difficult time forgiving the club.
I believe 40 mil is about the going rate for Suarez so we're attempting to pay what his approximate value is, warts and all. The fact that we're not trying to pinch a penny here is such a deviation from the norm that it could appear at first glance that we're making a statement signing when in reality we may be finally willing and able to spend some real money.
The fact that a player scores 30 goals for a club in one season doesnt mean you should pay through your nose for that player. Man City learned the hard way with Adebayor. That doesnt mean Suarez is going to be a bust like Adebayor, however there is potential for this move to seriously embarrass Arsenal if it doesnt work out. There are even cases when a player is proven beyond reasonable doubt but under the burden of a huge contract struggle to justify the fee. An example is Torres at Chelsea who proved his worth at Liverpool before making a move to Chelsea. Liverpool paid 22 mil for Suarez a couple of years ago, in his first year he scored 4 goals, 17 in his second season and last season he scored 30 goals. Clearly his current valuation is skewed by what he did in one season but that shouldnt increase his transfer worth to almost double what Liverpool paid for him. Anyway I feel we are shopping for the wrong type of player, we should be looking for the Suarez's and Higuain's of this world before the make that jump to a bigger club.
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phatosas
Jul 24 2013, 12:03 PM
Anyway I feel we are shopping for the wrong type of player, we should be looking for the Suarez's and Higuain's of this world before the make that jump to a bigger club.
We've been shopping for strikers who could make that kind of jump recently. See Bendtner, Eduardo, Chamakh, and now Giroud. Those moves were panned by a whole bunch of us on here as Arsenal being cheap. The last time we hit a home run on a move like that was with RVP, which was several years ago.

His valuation has to include the fact that he would be moving from one EPL club to another and that he just signed a long-term deal with Pool before last season. This isn't an RVP scenario where he said he's leaving after his contract ended in another year which caused us to get less than what we should've for him.
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We will win the CL if we get Suarez. It will be tough to support a person like him but a pricck wearing an Arsenal shirt I would still support unconditionally. I'd guarantee that he will not be with us after this transfer window though. We are running out of options.....is Michu still available?
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If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
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rta_67
Jul 24 2013, 01:39 PM
If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
I don't think any of us with reservations about Suarez expect the club to acquire only boy scouts, but it is not unreasonable to hope we can do better than racists who can't keep their teeth in their mouth. Not only do his transgressions offend anyone with even minimal standards of behavior, they hurt his team.

He's of an age that he should long ago have grown up. Clearly he has not, so I don't share the optimism of many here that his misdeeds are all in the past.
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Jul 24 2013, 03:43 PM
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Jul 24 2013, 01:39 PM
If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
I don't think any of us with reservations about Suarez expect the club to acquire only boy scouts, but it is not unreasonable to hope we can do better than racists who can't keep their teeth in their mouth. Not only do his transgressions offend anyone with even minimal standards of behavior, they hurt his team.

He's of an age that he should long ago have grown up. Clearly he has not, so I don't share the optimism of many here that his misdeeds are all in the past.
Okay, so who would you prefer instead of Suarez?
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Jul 24 2013, 12:03 PM
He's SUSPENDED for 16% of the season right off the bat, with or without the extra baggage. Ridiculous if this happens. Slightly more ridiculous, on the other hand, if nothing happens.
NOPE, there are 38 league games, + at least 6 champions league game + at least 1 Fa cup game + at least 1 league cup game meaning
suarez is suspended for 13% of the season maximum, but it could be as low as 10% if Arsenal do not exit all cup competitions in the first round.
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Jul 24 2013, 12:03 PM
jays712
Jul 24 2013, 11:43 AM
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Jul 24 2013, 11:28 AM
I personally believe that if what they say about our bid for Suarez is true, we have crossed the point of just signing a player to the point where we are making the signing more as a statement that we actually spent the money that Arsenal fans have been calling on the club to spend for a long time. On the other hand it might just be that we have too much money and have no idea how to go about spending it. In either case I would be incredibly upset since we spent years penny pinching, having a player like Almunia in goal, signing a player like Silvestre which was clearly a financial move, the list goes on and on where we just tried to squeeze a penny here and there. If we did all that to save money and then blow it on an a-hole like Suarez, I would have a very difficult time forgiving the club.
I believe 40 mil is about the going rate for Suarez so we're attempting to pay what his approximate value is, warts and all. The fact that we're not trying to pinch a penny here is such a deviation from the norm that it could appear at first glance that we're making a statement signing when in reality we may be finally willing and able to spend some real money.
The fact that a player scores 30 goals for a club in one season doesnt mean you should pay through your nose for that player. Man City learned the hard way with Adebayor. That doesnt mean Suarez is going to be a bust like Adebayor, however there is potential for this move to seriously embarrass Arsenal if it doesnt work out. There are even cases when a player is proven beyond reasonable doubt but under the burden of a huge contract struggle to justify the fee. An example is Torres at Chelsea who proved his worth at Liverpool before making a move to Chelsea. Liverpool paid 22 mil for Suarez a couple of years ago, in his first year he scored 4 goals, 17 in his second season and last season he scored 30 goals. Clearly his current valuation is skewed by what he did in one season but that shouldnt increase his transfer worth to almost double what Liverpool paid for him. Anyway I feel we are shopping for the wrong type of player, we should be looking for the Suarez's and Higuain's of this world before the make that jump to a bigger club.
in his first year he joined when more than half of the season was gone he played only 13 games in that season phato, I would assume he would have needed at least 3-4 games to get used to a new country, new league, tougher league new team mates. Giroud has played one full season of which he played 47 games and he's still apparently adapting. I think suarez deserves to be given a break for not scoring 13 goals in 13 games in his 1st year, and I'm pretty sure not all 13 were starts in his first half season where he had no pre season.

In his first full season he scored 17 goals with 10 assist from 39 games in a team that finished 8th, I think that's pretty impressive considering a certain striker in a top 4 team had more or less the same number of goals and assists from 47 games in his first full season.

In his 2nd full season he improved his numbers again 30 goals 11 assists from 44 games in a team that finish 7th.

If liverpool disgraceful league position in the last 3 seasons does not indicate to you that suarez situation can't really be compared to adebayor and Torres then nothing will.
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Jul 24 2013, 06:10 PM
phatosas
Jul 24 2013, 12:03 PM
jays712
Jul 24 2013, 11:43 AM
phatosas
Jul 24 2013, 11:28 AM
I personally believe that if what they say about our bid for Suarez is true, we have crossed the point of just signing a player to the point where we are making the signing more as a statement that we actually spent the money that Arsenal fans have been calling on the club to spend for a long time. On the other hand it might just be that we have too much money and have no idea how to go about spending it. In either case I would be incredibly upset since we spent years penny pinching, having a player like Almunia in goal, signing a player like Silvestre which was clearly a financial move, the list goes on and on where we just tried to squeeze a penny here and there. If we did all that to save money and then blow it on an a-hole like Suarez, I would have a very difficult time forgiving the club.
I believe 40 mil is about the going rate for Suarez so we're attempting to pay what his approximate value is, warts and all. The fact that we're not trying to pinch a penny here is such a deviation from the norm that it could appear at first glance that we're making a statement signing when in reality we may be finally willing and able to spend some real money.
The fact that a player scores 30 goals for a club in one season doesnt mean you should pay through your nose for that player. Man City learned the hard way with Adebayor. That doesnt mean Suarez is going to be a bust like Adebayor, however there is potential for this move to seriously embarrass Arsenal if it doesnt work out. There are even cases when a player is proven beyond reasonable doubt but under the burden of a huge contract struggle to justify the fee. An example is Torres at Chelsea who proved his worth at Liverpool before making a move to Chelsea. Liverpool paid 22 mil for Suarez a couple of years ago, in his first year he scored 4 goals, 17 in his second season and last season he scored 30 goals. Clearly his current valuation is skewed by what he did in one season but that shouldnt increase his transfer worth to almost double what Liverpool paid for him. Anyway I feel we are shopping for the wrong type of player, we should be looking for the Suarez's and Higuain's of this world before the make that jump to a bigger club.
in his first year he joined when more than half of the season was gone he played only 13 games in that season phato, I would assume he would have needed at least 3-4 games to get used to a new country, new league, tougher league new team mates. Giroud has played one full season of which he played 47 games and he's still apparently adapting. I think suarez deserves to be given a break for not scoring 13 goals in 13 games in his 1st year, and I'm pretty sure not all 13 were starts in his first half season where he had no pre season.

In his first full season he scored 17 goals with 10 assist from 39 games in a team that finished 8th, I think that's pretty impressive considering a certain striker in a top 4 team had more or less the same number of goals and assists from 47 games in his first full season.

In his 2nd full season he improved his numbers again 30 goals 11 assists from 44 games in a team that finish 7th.

If liverpool disgraceful league position in the last 3 seasons does not indicate to you that suarez situation can't really be compared to adebayor and Torres then nothing will.
I had forgotten that Suarez was bought during the January transfer window. This guy is not even at his peak yet in the EPL. I just hope we get him.
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