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Topic Started: Jul 24 2013, 09:44 AM (1,970 Views)
KamyFC
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LOL!!! read this in the BBC
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(Ring Ring)

Wenger: Hello
Suarez: Hello Arsene, I've been told I can talk to you.
Wenger: Oh right, well, erm, here's the thing Luis; I've only really bid for you to get the fans off my back.
Suarez: Ah that's okay, I've only given you a ring to get Madrid's a**e in gear.
Wenger: Well you let me know how that goes.
Suarez: Will do.

(Click)
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Edited by KamyFC, Jul 25 2013, 12:17 AM.
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Wait...how is Suarez "loyal" to his club? He's forced through moves (in way or another) any time he's ready to move on. This, I thought, I was a good read:

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/8101?cc=5901
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Jul 24 2013, 01:39 PM
If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
Actually you can't even say Neymar is better than suarez, he is yet to prove himself in the european league, and I would be more confident with suarez in my side than Neymar, Neymar is no where as strong as suarez, and he still make a lot of wrong decision. With Suarez I know what I'm getting, a striker capable of scoring 30 goals with 11 assists, in a team that finished 8TH in the premier league.
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dream_team
Jul 24 2013, 06:10 PM
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Jul 24 2013, 12:03 PM
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Jul 24 2013, 11:43 AM
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Jul 24 2013, 11:28 AM
I personally believe that if what they say about our bid for Suarez is true, we have crossed the point of just signing a player to the point where we are making the signing more as a statement that we actually spent the money that Arsenal fans have been calling on the club to spend for a long time. On the other hand it might just be that we have too much money and have no idea how to go about spending it. In either case I would be incredibly upset since we spent years penny pinching, having a player like Almunia in goal, signing a player like Silvestre which was clearly a financial move, the list goes on and on where we just tried to squeeze a penny here and there. If we did all that to save money and then blow it on an a-hole like Suarez, I would have a very difficult time forgiving the club.
I believe 40 mil is about the going rate for Suarez so we're attempting to pay what his approximate value is, warts and all. The fact that we're not trying to pinch a penny here is such a deviation from the norm that it could appear at first glance that we're making a statement signing when in reality we may be finally willing and able to spend some real money.
The fact that a player scores 30 goals for a club in one season doesnt mean you should pay through your nose for that player. Man City learned the hard way with Adebayor. That doesnt mean Suarez is going to be a bust like Adebayor, however there is potential for this move to seriously embarrass Arsenal if it doesnt work out. There are even cases when a player is proven beyond reasonable doubt but under the burden of a huge contract struggle to justify the fee. An example is Torres at Chelsea who proved his worth at Liverpool before making a move to Chelsea. Liverpool paid 22 mil for Suarez a couple of years ago, in his first year he scored 4 goals, 17 in his second season and last season he scored 30 goals. Clearly his current valuation is skewed by what he did in one season but that shouldnt increase his transfer worth to almost double what Liverpool paid for him. Anyway I feel we are shopping for the wrong type of player, we should be looking for the Suarez's and Higuain's of this world before the make that jump to a bigger club.
in his first year he joined when more than half of the season was gone he played only 13 games in that season phato, I would assume he would have needed at least 3-4 games to get used to a new country, new league, tougher league new team mates. Giroud has played one full season of which he played 47 games and he's still apparently adapting. I think suarez deserves to be given a break for not scoring 13 goals in 13 games in his 1st year, and I'm pretty sure not all 13 were starts in his first half season where he had no pre season.

In his first full season he scored 17 goals with 10 assist from 39 games in a team that finished 8th, I think that's pretty impressive considering a certain striker in a top 4 team had more or less the same number of goals and assists from 47 games in his first full season.

In his 2nd full season he improved his numbers again 30 goals 11 assists from 44 games in a team that finish 7th.

If liverpool disgraceful league position in the last 3 seasons does not indicate to you that suarez situation can't really be compared to adebayor and Torres then nothing will.
oh phato you might wanna check his numbers at ajax too before you conclude he's a one season wonder.
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rw_mlite2
Jul 25 2013, 04:19 AM
Wait...how is Suarez "loyal" to his club? He's forced through moves (in way or another) any time he's ready to move on. This, I thought, I was a good read:

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/8101?cc=5901
And to add to that:

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/arsenal/id/1880?cc=5901
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What's most frustrating about this whole saga is that it's now Suarez, or bust. Who's left? Higuain is gone. Cavani and Falcao are gone (not that we had a chance at either, anyway). Jovetic is gone (I don't rate his as highly anyway). Rooney is likely headed to Chelsea. So, if we want a big name striker, it seems it has to be Suarez. But Real will likely come a callin'. So we better get it done quickly.
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Jul 25 2013, 04:19 AM
Wait...how is Suarez "loyal" to his club? He's forced through moves (in way or another) any time he's ready to move on. This, I thought, I was a good read:

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/8101?cc=5901
rwmlite any ambitious player would do everything he can to leave the gronigen for ajax , and ajax for liverpool.

I would think gronigen - ajax - liverpool is 100% football move and also enabled suarez to progress as a footballer no?

compare that to joing anzhi from inter, or join monaco from athletico madrid, that's what you call a mercenary.
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Jul 25 2013, 04:27 AM
rw_mlite2
Jul 25 2013, 04:19 AM
Wait...how is Suarez "loyal" to his club? He's forced through moves (in way or another) any time he's ready to move on. This, I thought, I was a good read:

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/8101?cc=5901
rwmlite any ambitious player would do everything he can to leave the gronigen for ajax , and ajax for liverpool.

I would think gronigen - ajax - liverpool is 100% football move and also enabled suarez to progress as a footballer no?

compare that to joing anzhi from inter, or join monaco from athletico madrid, that's what you call a mercenary.
Well, note that I questioned "loyalty" rather than going with full on "mercenary". Merc's, IMO, are all about the money. But let's speculate. What if we do gain Suarez this window and he has a great year. What's to keep Real Madrid from coming after him next summer (or the summer after)? Can we really trust that Suarez wouldn't want to leave? Sure, you can say that about a lot of players when it's Real or Barca...but we wouldn't have had to say that about Higuain. Plus, we could've gotten him for cheaper, leaving more money aside for any of the other myriad needs on this team that is sorely lacking depth right now.
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I'm actually desperate for this signing now I think this guy will do wonders for us, though it would be VERY VERY tough to get him.

rwmlite, imagine a likely scenario like this Arsenal sign him for £45m,suarez comes in bangs in 35 goals with 15 assists for us, arsenal win the EPL title, Real madrid offer us £60m, suarez wants to move on just after one season we accept the £60m bid, good piece of business?
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Jul 25 2013, 04:33 AM
I'm actually desperate for this signing now I think this guy will do wonders for us, though it would be VERY VERY tough to get him.

rwmlite, imagine a likely scenario like this Arsenal sign him for £45m,suarez comes in bangs in 35 goals with 15 assists for us, arsenal win the EPL title, Real madrid offer us £60m, suarez wants to move on just after one season we accept the £60m bid, good piece of business?
I have no doubt the club would accept the bid, if that's what you mean. It represents everything about how the club is currently run and looks great on the bottom line.

But, of course, we'd then have to replace Suarez. There might be a very good player available to bring in...there might not. How much would said player cost? (not asking you to give me a figure...just pondering). How would it affect team chemistry? Plus, how sick are we of summer transfer drama?

All that said, I'm desperate to bring in someone high profile, too. As there's no one else available, I guess that means I'm hoping for Suarez, too. I'm just making it known that I'm pissed off that we didn't get Higuain and that I'd be forced to root for someone I've despised over the last few years.
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