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Topic Started: Jul 24 2013, 09:44 AM (1,969 Views)
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Jul 25 2013, 04:48 AM
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- rw_mlite2
- Jul 25 2013, 04:40 AM
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- Jul 25 2013, 04:33 AM
I'm actually desperate for this signing now I think this guy will do wonders for us, though it would be VERY VERY tough to get him.
rwmlite, imagine a likely scenario like this Arsenal sign him for £45m,suarez comes in bangs in 35 goals with 15 assists for us, arsenal win the EPL title, Real madrid offer us £60m, suarez wants to move on just after one season we accept the £60m bid, good piece of business?
I have no doubt the club would accept the bid, if that's what you mean. It represents everything about how the club is currently run and looks great on the bottom line. But, of course, we'd then have to replace Suarez. There might be a very good player available to bring in...there might not. How much would said player cost? (not asking you to give me a figure...just pondering). How would it affect team chemistry? Plus, how sick are we of summer transfer drama? All that said, I'm desperate to bring in someone high profile, too. As there's no one else available, I guess that means I'm hoping for Suarez, too. I'm just making it known that I'm pissed off that we didn't get Higuain and that I'd be forced to root for someone I've despised over the last few years. it's not even about accepting the bid, it's about suarez wanting to leave and arsenal selling him as a result to Real madrid who will all know would offer silly money for a player they are desperate for. That's excellent piece of business for me league title + £15m profit.
There's always tendency to think that no player will be available but things could change quickly in a year, some young spannish player could emerge from those la liga clubs with financial problems and we could get such player for a good price to replace suarez. Or some talent could emerge from the brazillian league, or el sharawy could improve out of sight into a world class player and wants to move on. These are just random examples to show that a top talent could emerge within a season from any of the leagues in europe and we would have the cash to buy him.
I'm sure Napoli fans would have been wondering who is going to be available to replace Cavani when he was sold but look what happened arsenal dragged their feet with Higuain, and he was snapped up quickly by Napoli.
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phatosas
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Jul 25 2013, 06:32 AM
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I personally believe that if what they say about our bid for Suarez is true, we have crossed the point of just signing a player to the point where we are making the signing more as a statement that we actually spent the money that Arsenal fans have been calling on the club to spend for a long time. On the other hand it might just be that we have too much money and have no idea how to go about spending it. In either case I would be incredibly upset since we spent years penny pinching, having a player like Almunia in goal, signing a player like Silvestre which was clearly a financial move, the list goes on and on where we just tried to squeeze a penny here and there. If we did all that to save money and then blow it on an a-hole like Suarez, I would have a very difficult time forgiving the club.
I believe 40 mil is about the going rate for Suarez so we're attempting to pay what his approximate value is, warts and all. The fact that we're not trying to pinch a penny here is such a deviation from the norm that it could appear at first glance that we're making a statement signing when in reality we may be finally willing and able to spend some real money.
The fact that a player scores 30 goals for a club in one season doesnt mean you should pay through your nose for that player. Man City learned the hard way with Adebayor. That doesnt mean Suarez is going to be a bust like Adebayor, however there is potential for this move to seriously embarrass Arsenal if it doesnt work out. There are even cases when a player is proven beyond reasonable doubt but under the burden of a huge contract struggle to justify the fee. An example is Torres at Chelsea who proved his worth at Liverpool before making a move to Chelsea. Liverpool paid 22 mil for Suarez a couple of years ago, in his first year he scored 4 goals, 17 in his second season and last season he scored 30 goals. Clearly his current valuation is skewed by what he did in one season but that shouldnt increase his transfer worth to almost double what Liverpool paid for him. Anyway I feel we are shopping for the wrong type of player, we should be looking for the Suarez's and Higuain's of this world before the make that jump to a bigger club.
in his first year he joined when more than half of the season was gone he played only 13 games in that season phato, I would assume he would have needed at least 3-4 games to get used to a new country, new league, tougher league new team mates. Giroud has played one full season of which he played 47 games and he's still apparently adapting. I think suarez deserves to be given a break for not scoring 13 goals in 13 games in his 1st year, and I'm pretty sure not all 13 were starts in his first half season where he had no pre season. In his first full season he scored 17 goals with 10 assist from 39 games in a team that finished 8th, I think that's pretty impressive considering a certain striker in a top 4 team had more or less the same number of goals and assists from 47 games in his first full season. In his 2nd full season he improved his numbers again 30 goals 11 assists from 44 games in a team that finish 7th. If liverpool disgraceful league position in the last 3 seasons does not indicate to you that suarez situation can't really be compared to adebayor and Torres then nothing will.
oh phato you might wanna check his numbers at ajax too before you conclude he's a one season wonder. That is exactly my point, there was a seasons where he scored 40 goals but there were also seasons where he was in his 20s. He was therefore not an unknown quantity when he came to England. I don't think he is considerably better than when he left Ajax, if he was worth 22 mil then, why is he worth 40 now. My point is it wouldn't surprise me if he scores 18 goals this season or if he replicates what he did last season. I think he is a good player but I don't think he is special enough to the point where he is unstoppable. If you are going to cough up 40 mil, that player has to be unstoppable.
Edited by phatosas, Jul 25 2013, 06:35 AM.
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Jul 25 2013, 06:46 AM
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- phatosas
- Jul 25 2013, 06:32 AM
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- Jul 24 2013, 11:43 AM
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- Jul 24 2013, 11:28 AM
I personally believe that if what they say about our bid for Suarez is true, we have crossed the point of just signing a player to the point where we are making the signing more as a statement that we actually spent the money that Arsenal fans have been calling on the club to spend for a long time. On the other hand it might just be that we have too much money and have no idea how to go about spending it. In either case I would be incredibly upset since we spent years penny pinching, having a player like Almunia in goal, signing a player like Silvestre which was clearly a financial move, the list goes on and on where we just tried to squeeze a penny here and there. If we did all that to save money and then blow it on an a-hole like Suarez, I would have a very difficult time forgiving the club.
I believe 40 mil is about the going rate for Suarez so we're attempting to pay what his approximate value is, warts and all. The fact that we're not trying to pinch a penny here is such a deviation from the norm that it could appear at first glance that we're making a statement signing when in reality we may be finally willing and able to spend some real money.
The fact that a player scores 30 goals for a club in one season doesnt mean you should pay through your nose for that player. Man City learned the hard way with Adebayor. That doesnt mean Suarez is going to be a bust like Adebayor, however there is potential for this move to seriously embarrass Arsenal if it doesnt work out. There are even cases when a player is proven beyond reasonable doubt but under the burden of a huge contract struggle to justify the fee. An example is Torres at Chelsea who proved his worth at Liverpool before making a move to Chelsea. Liverpool paid 22 mil for Suarez a couple of years ago, in his first year he scored 4 goals, 17 in his second season and last season he scored 30 goals. Clearly his current valuation is skewed by what he did in one season but that shouldnt increase his transfer worth to almost double what Liverpool paid for him. Anyway I feel we are shopping for the wrong type of player, we should be looking for the Suarez's and Higuain's of this world before the make that jump to a bigger club.
in his first year he joined when more than half of the season was gone he played only 13 games in that season phato, I would assume he would have needed at least 3-4 games to get used to a new country, new league, tougher league new team mates. Giroud has played one full season of which he played 47 games and he's still apparently adapting. I think suarez deserves to be given a break for not scoring 13 goals in 13 games in his 1st year, and I'm pretty sure not all 13 were starts in his first half season where he had no pre season. In his first full season he scored 17 goals with 10 assist from 39 games in a team that finished 8th, I think that's pretty impressive considering a certain striker in a top 4 team had more or less the same number of goals and assists from 47 games in his first full season. In his 2nd full season he improved his numbers again 30 goals 11 assists from 44 games in a team that finish 7th. If liverpool disgraceful league position in the last 3 seasons does not indicate to you that suarez situation can't really be compared to adebayor and Torres then nothing will.
oh phato you might wanna check his numbers at ajax too before you conclude he's a one season wonder.
That is exactly my point, there was a seasons where he scored 40 goals but there were also seasons where he was in his 20s. He was therefore not an unknown quantity when he came to England. I don't think he is considerably better than when he left Ajax, if he was worth 22 mil then, why is he worth 40 now. My point is it wouldn't surprise me if he scores 18 goals this season or if he replicates what he did last season. I think he is a good player but I don't think he is special enough to the point where he is unstoppable. If you are going to cough up 40 mil, that player has to be unstoppable. so who's unstoppable apart from messi and ronaldo?
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Jul 25 2013, 06:52 AM
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Phato take a closer look at his numbers you would see a trend of improvement there ajax numbers = 22->28->49, in his last season there he left in january so can't be judged on that one. Of course the epl is tougher than the dutch league he aint gonna score 49 goals here and no one has ever scored 49 goals in england I think C ronaldo was the closest. Suarez in his first full season in EPL scored 17 goals then he improved to 30 goals, another sign of improvement? Also bearing in mind he has ALWAYS outperform Cavani in the blue shirt of uruguay.
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Jul 25 2013, 06:55 AM
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Interesting Higuain stats, 0 goals in UCL semi finals, 0 goals against Barca in the league and the copa del rey. Still a very good player but just not as good as suarez.
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Jul 25 2013, 07:14 AM
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If 35 mil can get you Andy Carroll than Suarez should really be worth 100 million. Liverpool still taking a beating on that deal. LOL
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Jul 25 2013, 07:15 AM
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If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
Actually you can't even say Neymar is better than suarez, he is yet to prove himself in the european league, and I would be more confident with suarez in my side than Neymar, Neymar is no where as strong as suarez, and he still make a lot of wrong decision. With Suarez I know what I'm getting, a striker capable of scoring 30 goals with 11 assists, in a team that finished 8TH in the premier league. The difference between signing Neymar for that fee and signing Suarez is that with Neymar you are signing a player with the potential to be the best footballer in the world. It is a gamble but it is high risk and high reward for Barcelona. It is similar to when Barca signed Ronaldinho and he went on to transform the club and transcend the sport. He not only changed the clubs fortunes on the pitch, he went on to be a symbol for the club. The monetary reward for signing Ronaldinho was 10 times what Barcelona paid for him and his value on the pitch was worth having 3 players because he made every one around him good. Now I dont even think Suarez is the best player in his position in the premiership let alone world. We pretty much know how good he is at this point. If you talk of financial benefits to the club, we are talking of a guy that is a racist and bites other players, if that the guy you really want to be the flag bearer for the club?
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Jul 25 2013, 07:26 AM
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The difference between signing Neymar for that fee and signing Suarez is that with Neymar you are signing a player with the potential to be the best footballer in the world. It is a gamble but it is high risk and high reward for Barcelona. It is similar to when Barca signed Ronaldinho and he went on to transform the club and transcend the sport. He not only changed the clubs fortunes on the pitch, he went on to be a symbol for the club. The monetary reward for signing Ronaldinho was 10 times what Barcelona paid for him and his value on the pitch was worth having 3 players because he made every one around him good. Now I dont even think Suarez is the best player in his position in the premiership let alone world. We pretty much know how good he is at this point. If you talk of financial benefits to the club, we are talking of a guy that is a racist and bites other players, if that the guy you really want to be the flag bearer for the club? We're running out of good options to buy as far as strikers go if we fail to get Suarez. Who else is left out there that could bolster our strikers? Rooney? He's not coming here. Lewandowski? No chance there either. Torres? No thanks. Benteke resigned with Villa. Any other names out there?
We'll be back shopping at the bargain bin of hopefuls and maybes at that point. I'm sure we're all fed up with going down that road. Or do we just spend everywhere else in the squad and strengthen there and go with what we got up front at striker now?
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Jul 25 2013, 07:28 AM
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Apparently there's good news on the Suarez front. Marca is reporting Real Madrid have declared they have no interest in striker signings.
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Jul 25 2013, 07:35 AM
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If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
Actually you can't even say Neymar is better than suarez, he is yet to prove himself in the european league, and I would be more confident with suarez in my side than Neymar, Neymar is no where as strong as suarez, and he still make a lot of wrong decision. With Suarez I know what I'm getting, a striker capable of scoring 30 goals with 11 assists, in a team that finished 8TH in the premier league.
The difference between signing Neymar for that fee and signing Suarez is that with Neymar you are signing a player with the potential to be the best footballer in the world. It is a gamble but it is high risk and high reward for Barcelona. It is similar to when Barca signed Ronaldinho and he went on to transform the club and transcend the sport. He not only changed the clubs fortunes on the pitch, he went on to be a symbol for the club. The monetary reward for signing Ronaldinho was 10 times what Barcelona paid for him and his value on the pitch was worth having 3 players because he made every one around him good. Now I dont even think Suarez is the best player in his position in the premiership let alone world. We pretty much know how good he is at this point. If you talk of financial benefits to the club, we are talking of a guy that is a racist and bites other players, if that the guy you really want to be the flag bearer for the club? That same Neymar can also end up to be a flop,he's far more weaker than ronaldinho or any of the top players i know and can easily be bullied. your point is not exactly clear, Arsenal are taking a risk with suarez and you having a go at the club Barca are doing somethin similar with Neymar and you are praising them. Neymar isn't at that level yet where he would make barca players look good, at the moment it's the other way round, and unlike Neymar the chance that suarez would be a flop at Arsenal is close to 0%, the only risk is his attitude.
You think Neymar has the potential to be the best in the world, Suarez is arguably the best player in the epl right now. I tell you what the monetary reward for signing suarez would be, Arsenal would challenge for the title, and could even win it, the chances of losing our best players would reduce tremendously becuase there's no longer the excuse that I want to go where I can win trophies, there would be ZERO chance of dropping out of the top 4 with suarez in the side, if he Real wants to buy him next year they would offer more than the money will paid for him, neymar on the other hand if he's a flop no one would pay more than the ridiculous amount of money barca paid for him.
Suarez could get suspended for 20 games, (EVEN though that would not happen) and he would still earn Arsenal 10 more points, that's how good he is.
So who's better than suarez at that position in the EPL? and is neymar the best in his position in la liga?
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