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Topic Started: Jul 24 2013, 09:44 AM (1,968 Views)
jays712
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I'm slowly starting to change my mind on this Suarez deal. Its been too long where instead of buying a quarter, we've gone out and spent on two dimes and a nickel hoping it equals the same thing.

I'm willing at this point to take the plunge on Suarez. If it blows up, than it blows up. I'll at least appreciate the fact that we bought big instead of the way things have been these last several years.
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jays712
Jul 24 2013, 11:52 AM
I know I'm gonna be cheering if he's banging in goals for us. I had no problems cheering for Michael Vick when he was winning games for the Eagles.
We aren't cheering much Jays. :X
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mlshock35
Jul 25 2013, 07:54 AM
jays712
Jul 24 2013, 11:52 AM
I know I'm gonna be cheering if he's banging in goals for us. I had no problems cheering for Michael Vick when he was winning games for the Eagles.
We aren't cheering much Jays. :X
Its a new day in Eagles Land. If we manage to go 8-8 (unlikely to me) than I'll be perfectly satisfied with that.
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dream_team
Jul 25 2013, 07:35 AM
phatosas
Jul 25 2013, 07:15 AM
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Jul 25 2013, 04:19 AM
rta_67
Jul 24 2013, 01:39 PM
If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
Actually you can't even say Neymar is better than suarez, he is yet to prove himself in the european league, and I would be more confident with suarez in my side than Neymar, Neymar is no where as strong as suarez, and he still make a lot of wrong decision. With Suarez I know what I'm getting, a striker capable of scoring 30 goals with 11 assists, in a team that finished 8TH in the premier league.
The difference between signing Neymar for that fee and signing Suarez is that with Neymar you are signing a player with the potential to be the best footballer in the world. It is a gamble but it is high risk and high reward for Barcelona. It is similar to when Barca signed Ronaldinho and he went on to transform the club and transcend the sport. He not only changed the clubs fortunes on the pitch, he went on to be a symbol for the club. The monetary reward for signing Ronaldinho was 10 times what Barcelona paid for him and his value on the pitch was worth having 3 players because he made every one around him good. Now I dont even think Suarez is the best player in his position in the premiership let alone world. We pretty much know how good he is at this point. If you talk of financial benefits to the club, we are talking of a guy that is a racist and bites other players, if that the guy you really want to be the flag bearer for the club?
That same Neymar can also end up to be a flop,he's far more weaker than ronaldinho or any of the top players i know and can easily be bullied.
your point is not exactly clear, Arsenal are taking a risk with suarez and you having a go at the club Barca are doing somethin similar with Neymar and you are praising them. Neymar isn't at that level yet where he would make barca players look good, at the moment it's the other way round, and unlike Neymar the chance that suarez would be a flop at Arsenal is close to 0%, the only risk is his attitude.

You think Neymar has the potential to be the best in the world, Suarez is arguably the best player in the epl right now.
I tell you what the monetary reward for signing suarez would be, Arsenal would challenge for the title, and could even win it, the chances of losing our best players would reduce tremendously becuase there's no longer the excuse that I want to go where I can win trophies, there would be ZERO chance of dropping out of the top 4 with suarez in the side, if he Real wants to buy him next year they would offer more than the money will paid for him, neymar on the other hand if he's a flop no one would pay more than the ridiculous amount of money barca paid for him.


Suarez could get suspended for 20 games, (EVEN though that would not happen) and he would still earn Arsenal 10 more points, that's how good he is.

So who's better than suarez at that position in the EPL?
and is neymar the best in his position in la liga?
I agree with Phato that Neymar definitely has the potential to be very good and that is why I listed him ahead of Suarez. However, in terms of what we need today to be competitive in the league this season, there is no doubt in my mind that Suarez is who we need. He is close to his peak and is EPL ready. For his character flaws, I am prepared to live with that because I agree with Dream_team that he would still make the difference at the end of the season even if he ends up missing a few games.

After our recent experiences with players like RVP, Song, Cesc, Nasri, Hleb, Flamini, etc I don't understand how some still put any value in loyalty. There is simply very little of that these days in professional soccer. Players (and clubs also) act in their best interest and don't really care so much about the fans. Players like Scoles, Giggs, Maldini, etc were very loyal because they could have moved for more money/glory at some point in their careers but chose not to. But I think they are the exception. So those suggesting that we should not go in for Suarez because of his lack of loyalty are clearly choosing to ignore the fact that RVP et al (and perhaps most players of his caliber) are no different.
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Suarez , at 20 to 25 million. Go ahead , take a punt. 40 million ? When our last biggest signing is 15 million ?
Most likely we end up with no one.
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Suarez is 26, and he is an elite footballer with an EPL pedigree. Warts or no, 45 mil is fair market value for such talent. So then we have to look at the investment from the standpoints of both the best and worst case scenarios.

At best, he comes to Arsenal and plays to his potential, meaning the Gunners would have one of the most dangerous attacks in England and on the planet. He could stay for a couple of seasons, see Arsenal top the EPL and make solid runs at Europe, and then still be punted along at age 28 to the highest bidder for likely a nice return.

At worst, he snaps, his wages are forfeited due to violations of behavioral clauses in his contract, and then he's shipped off to another big club who believe that he will behave well enough to come good for them.

I say Arsenal signs him and buys him some chew toys.
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phatosas
Jul 25 2013, 07:15 AM
dream_team
Jul 25 2013, 04:19 AM
rta_67
Jul 24 2013, 01:39 PM
If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
Actually you can't even say Neymar is better than suarez, he is yet to prove himself in the european league, and I would be more confident with suarez in my side than Neymar, Neymar is no where as strong as suarez, and he still make a lot of wrong decision. With Suarez I know what I'm getting, a striker capable of scoring 30 goals with 11 assists, in a team that finished 8TH in the premier league.
The difference between signing Neymar for that fee and signing Suarez is that with Neymar you are signing a player with the potential to be the best footballer in the world. It is a gamble but it is high risk and high reward for Barcelona. It is similar to when Barca signed Ronaldinho and he went on to transform the club and transcend the sport. He not only changed the clubs fortunes on the pitch, he went on to be a symbol for the club. The monetary reward for signing Ronaldinho was 10 times what Barcelona paid for him and his value on the pitch was worth having 3 players because he made every one around him good. Now I dont even think Suarez is the best player in his position in the premiership let alone world. We pretty much know how good he is at this point. If you talk of financial benefits to the club, we are talking of a guy that is a racist and bites other players, if that the guy you really want to be the flag bearer for the club?
Phato, not a Suarez fan but who is better than him in the EPL? Aguero? They are at the same level. 40 mil absolutely makes sense for Suarez in today's market. He is capable of carrying a team as he has done so for Pool. They are few such players. He is also a free kick specialist in addition to being a really good assist provider. Which premiership players do you have ahead of him? Rooney? Nope. The 30 year old RVP? Nope. Lets mot even talk about Torres. Aguero and Suarez are on the same level. Not a fan of his personality (his histrionics against Ghana still sting) but I would absolutely welcome the player to Arsenal for over 40 mil.
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Gooner0893
Jul 25 2013, 11:27 AM
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Jul 25 2013, 07:15 AM
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Jul 25 2013, 04:19 AM
rta_67
Jul 24 2013, 01:39 PM
If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
Actually you can't even say Neymar is better than suarez, he is yet to prove himself in the european league, and I would be more confident with suarez in my side than Neymar, Neymar is no where as strong as suarez, and he still make a lot of wrong decision. With Suarez I know what I'm getting, a striker capable of scoring 30 goals with 11 assists, in a team that finished 8TH in the premier league.
The difference between signing Neymar for that fee and signing Suarez is that with Neymar you are signing a player with the potential to be the best footballer in the world. It is a gamble but it is high risk and high reward for Barcelona. It is similar to when Barca signed Ronaldinho and he went on to transform the club and transcend the sport. He not only changed the clubs fortunes on the pitch, he went on to be a symbol for the club. The monetary reward for signing Ronaldinho was 10 times what Barcelona paid for him and his value on the pitch was worth having 3 players because he made every one around him good. Now I dont even think Suarez is the best player in his position in the premiership let alone world. We pretty much know how good he is at this point. If you talk of financial benefits to the club, we are talking of a guy that is a racist and bites other players, if that the guy you really want to be the flag bearer for the club?
Phato, not a Suarez fan but who is better than him in the EPL? Aguero? They are at the same level. 40 mil absolutely makes sense for Suarez in today's market. He is capable of carrying a team as he has done so for Pool. They are few such players. He is also a free kick specialist in addition to being a really good assist provider. Which premiership players do you have ahead of him? Rooney? Nope. The 30 year old RVP? Nope. Lets mot even talk about Torres. Aguero and Suarez are on the same level. Not a fan of his personality (his histrionics against Ghana still sting) but I would absolutely welcome the player to Arsenal for over 40 mil.
He and Aguero are just about on the same level I might even place him slightly ahead of aguero, because Aguero is playing in a better team with better players.
RVP basically has 2 years max left in him before you see a significant decline, why did you even mention torres lol, I would have thought you'll mention lukaku before him.

Mind you Aguero was signed for £38m with basically no EPL experience, and if city were to sell him to an EPL club today they'll be asking for at least £45m phato.
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Chew toys...ha
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Jul 25 2013, 11:42 AM
Chew toys...ha
That would solve both of his problems if you think about it.
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