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I'd still have Rooney, Aguero, and RvP ahead of Suarez in the pecking order of top EPL strikers, but no others.
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Jul 25 2013, 12:24 PM
I'd still have Rooney, Aguero, and RvP ahead of Suarez in the pecking order of top EPL strikers, but no others.
No way I would have Rooney and RVP ahead of Suarez going forward. Based on past accomplishment, yes. But right now and going forward, Suarez is absolutely more valuable than those two players.
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To think Rooney may be cheaper to get. If it's old Rooney then yes he would be a good purchase. I tend to think when footballers start really young at top level they burn out quicker and think they may be the case with Rooney.
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Jul 25 2013, 12:39 PM
To think Rooney may be cheaper to get. If it's old Rooney then yes he would be a good purchase. I tend to think when footballers start really young at top level they burn out quicker and think they may be the case with Rooney.
My bet would be that a move to The Emirates would put some pep back into Rooney's step.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jul 25 2013, 12:43 PM
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Jul 25 2013, 12:39 PM
To think Rooney may be cheaper to get. If it's old Rooney then yes he would be a good purchase. I tend to think when footballers start really young at top level they burn out quicker and think they may be the case with Rooney.
My bet would be that a move to The Emirates would put some pep back into Rooney's step.
I happen to think he'll be working under Mou than Wenger. Wages and players around him.
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gundamn
Jul 25 2013, 12:50 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jul 25 2013, 12:43 PM
gundamn
Jul 25 2013, 12:39 PM
To think Rooney may be cheaper to get. If it's old Rooney then yes he would be a good purchase. I tend to think when footballers start really young at top level they burn out quicker and think they may be the case with Rooney.
My bet would be that a move to The Emirates would put some pep back into Rooney's step.
I happen to think he'll be working under Mou than Wenger. Wages and players around him.
My money would be on the same. The move to Chelsea would also likely re-energize Rooney. Either way, it would be quite interesting seeing him walk out onto the pitch at Old Trafford in an away kit.
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TransferMarkt puts Suarez at 40m book value. That takes into account all the positives he has on his side and none of the negatives. If you ask me 35 million is the actual value, give or take. The issue we are up against if we want him (and I don't) are:

- his indiscipline will cost the team, meaning he has to get 25 goals
- he isn't optimally suited to being the pinnacle of a 3 man attack
Edited by santry_gooner, Jul 25 2013, 01:41 PM.
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Jul 25 2013, 12:37 PM
cruyff_turn
Jul 25 2013, 12:24 PM
I'd still have Rooney, Aguero, and RvP ahead of Suarez in the pecking order of top EPL strikers, but no others.
No way I would have Rooney and RVP ahead of Suarez going forward. Based on past accomplishment, yes. But right now and going forward, Suarez is absolutely more valuable than those two players.
I'd still take RvP or Rooney over Suarez for the next two seasons. Beyond that, I agree with you. Obviously, a player's value differs from his quality, so maybe we're having two different arguments.
Edited by cruyff_turn, Jul 25 2013, 01:30 PM.
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Jul 25 2013, 11:27 AM
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Jul 24 2013, 01:39 PM
If successful, Suarez will be a brilliant and versatile attacking player who can be position anywhere in the front 3. He will definitely contribute goals and assists in the double digits and that will go a long way towards helping us get silverware this season. Heck, RVP probably single handedly gave United the title last year! I could care less about his character issues as long as they remain in the past and I definitely feel it is a risk worth taking. With all due respect, Higuain is a good player but he is just no where near the proven quality of Suarez. In fact, for an attacking player, only Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo and Bale are ahead of him in my opinion and yes he is better than RVP who himself was not exactly a saint when we bought him! I just don't get it with people complaining about this move to acquire the guy. My only regret would be if we do not succeed.
Actually you can't even say Neymar is better than suarez, he is yet to prove himself in the european league, and I would be more confident with suarez in my side than Neymar, Neymar is no where as strong as suarez, and he still make a lot of wrong decision. With Suarez I know what I'm getting, a striker capable of scoring 30 goals with 11 assists, in a team that finished 8TH in the premier league.
The difference between signing Neymar for that fee and signing Suarez is that with Neymar you are signing a player with the potential to be the best footballer in the world. It is a gamble but it is high risk and high reward for Barcelona. It is similar to when Barca signed Ronaldinho and he went on to transform the club and transcend the sport. He not only changed the clubs fortunes on the pitch, he went on to be a symbol for the club. The monetary reward for signing Ronaldinho was 10 times what Barcelona paid for him and his value on the pitch was worth having 3 players because he made every one around him good. Now I dont even think Suarez is the best player in his position in the premiership let alone world. We pretty much know how good he is at this point. If you talk of financial benefits to the club, we are talking of a guy that is a racist and bites other players, if that the guy you really want to be the flag bearer for the club?
Phato, not a Suarez fan but who is better than him in the EPL? Aguero? They are at the same level. 40 mil absolutely makes sense for Suarez in today's market. He is capable of carrying a team as he has done so for Pool. They are few such players. He is also a free kick specialist in addition to being a really good assist provider. Which premiership players do you have ahead of him? Rooney? Nope. The 30 year old RVP? Nope. Lets mot even talk about Torres. Aguero and Suarez are on the same level. Not a fan of his personality (his histrionics against Ghana still sting) but I would absolutely welcome the player to Arsenal for over 40 mil.
Who is better than him in the Premier League? Van Persie, the same guy we sold for 25mil to our rivals Manchester United. I dont know how you came to the conclusion that Suarez is better than Van Persie, Last season they both scored 30 goals. If you want to argue that Van Persie played for Manchester United last year, well Van Persie scored 37 the year before for Arsenal and has scored 20 goals twice for Arsenal despite being injured a lot in his career. I can bet there is no way Suarez scores 37 goals next season where ever he ends up playing at. I am glad you brought up Aguerro who is a similar player to Suarez, in fact I would argue that Aguerro is a more skillful player. He scored 30 his first season at Man City and everybody paid attention to him and he couldnt replicate it scoring only 17 goals. I have a feeling that the same fate awaits Suarez this coming season, teams are going to be focused on how to stop him and I dont think he is unstoppable.

As for the claim that we would win the league if we sign Suarez, if Van Persie had stayed at Arsenal last season, would we have won the league? We need at least 3-4 players to make this step to cover the 20 point gap we were between the eventual winners. If we waste 40 mil on Suarez, I wonder how much more improvement we can make with what we have left to spend.
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Phato, I gotta mention that Aguero's drop in goals probably has much more to do with the fact he missed a large chunk of the season through injury. However, I agree with you that, right now, Suarez is not better than RvP.
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