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Topic Started: Aug 2 2013, 12:54 PM (1,421 Views)
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Aug 6 2013, 05:42 PM
santry_gooner
Aug 6 2013, 03:33 PM
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Aug 6 2013, 03:25 PM
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Aug 6 2013, 03:05 PM
jays712
Aug 6 2013, 11:59 AM
Eboue was a serviceable backup FB. Nothing more, nothing less. His confidence just imploded those that season or so with us.
Serviceable? In what sense?

If he was serviceable he would still be at the club. Such a vacancy has always existed and he failed to hold it down.

Lets focus on the heartwarming salmon leaps, Korean language skills, and the countless other antics like flying to Turkey when the Galatasary Doctors showed up in London. I am all for the addition to the Perry Groves hall of fame.
Still drinkin' that Hatorade, eh?
Looks like 0893 doesn't need to show up so much anymore. Off you go, show one false statement in what I said. Or shut your fat mouth.
"Serviceable" players get sold all the time in football. If Eboue wasn't at least "serviceable," Gala would not have paid perfectly good money to Arsenal for him.

Glug, glug, glug. Is that lemon-lime or fruit punch you're drinking there?
Serviceable players don't always go from one of the top five leagues in Europe to playing in the Turkish league. He is serviceable playing for Galatasary in the Turkish league given the opponents they face wiwo. He was not a serviceable player at Arsenal because he couldn't be relied upon to do anything competently. Except the jokes and antics, he was serviceable at that.

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santry_gooner
Aug 7 2013, 01:35 AM
Strictly speaking that's not true. The part of his game that started to unravel was simply completing passes to other players. If memory serves, and it always does, this started to happen well before his midfield experiment. He was always shaky in defensive situations too, which in my experience is part of the same malaise. This is what necessitated the experiment, otherwise Eboué could have happily lived in Sagna's shadow.
So if his passing was already unraveling while at FB, the smart idea was to put in him midfield where he would have to pass more? How much sense does that make? The answer....none because its simply incorrect. As a FB, his passing wasn't great but it was sufficient for the role he played which was get the ball to Cesc.

I really don't know why AW decided to try him out there but it was an epic failure. We all saw enough of his overlapping runs at FB to know he didn't have any idea what he was doing in the offensive half. The only times where he was effective in midfield was when he was brought on as a sub late in games to protect a lead and play in front of Sagna for more defense.

And yeah, he was shaky at times defensively at FB, that's why he was a backup after Sagna arrived. Once the fans started to really get on him after his ill-fated move to midfield, his game just fell apart. He had to be moved.
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Aug 7 2013, 06:11 AM
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Aug 7 2013, 01:35 AM
Strictly speaking that's not true. The part of his game that started to unravel was simply completing passes to other players. If memory serves, and it always does, this started to happen well before his midfield experiment. He was always shaky in defensive situations too, which in my experience is part of the same malaise. This is what necessitated the experiment, otherwise Eboué could have happily lived in Sagna's shadow.
So if his passing was already unraveling while at FB, the smart idea was to put in him midfield where he would have to pass more? How much sense does that make? The answer....none because its simply incorrect. As a FB, his passing wasn't great but it was sufficient for the role he played which was get the ball to Cesc.

I really don't know why AW decided to try him out there but it was an epic failure. We all saw enough of his overlapping runs at FB to know he didn't have any idea what he was doing in the offensive half. The only times where he was effective in midfield was when he was brought on as a sub late in games to protect a lead and play in front of Sagna for more defense.

And yeah, he was shaky at times defensively at FB, that's why he was a backup after Sagna arrived. Once the fans started to really get on him after his ill-fated move to midfield, his game just fell apart. He had to be moved.
LOL in fact no, that's completely wrong! You and I both have to look hard for where Eboué was of some use. It always seemed to me that Eboué was best when he was played at fullback, but had no defending to do. Eboué was a good crosser of the ball, he could do that with more effectiveness than a simple pass to a midfielder.

Eboué always seemed to be able to get to a ball quickly and see the space in front of him and generally get well wide. He did that for the famous RVP (<SK) goal that was scored v Charlton. In that game Eboué wasn't playing especially well, but pulled that off without a hint of lacking confidence. When he played in midfield he could not adapt to the even quicker turn-around from possession to defending. Most fullbacks are half-decent midfielders. Eboué was therefore what coaches call a front-foot player - able to assess opportunities for a pass and threats to possession in a narrow 180 degree sector of the pitch which is in front of him, but when given a 360 watch his thinking, perception and execution got exposed. I started expressing concerns that he was no replacement for Lauren when he was a right back. I thought that one-dimensional players like this had died out in the 1970s. I suppose that's why I'm such a naughty boy.
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Aug 7 2013, 01:53 PM
LOL in fact no, that's completely wrong! You and I both have to look hard for where Eboué was of some use. It always seemed to me that Eboué was best when he was played at fullback, but had no defending to do. Eboué was a good crosser of the ball, he could do that with more effectiveness than a simple pass to a midfielder.

Eboué always seemed to be able to get to a ball quickly and see the space in front of him and generally get well wide. He did that for the famous RVP (<SK) goal that was scored v Charlton. In that game Eboué wasn't playing especially well, but pulled that off without a hint of lacking confidence. When he played in midfield he could not adapt to the even quicker turn-around from possession to defending. Most fullbacks are half-decent midfielders. Eboué was therefore what coaches call a front-foot player - able to assess opportunities for a pass and threats to possession in a narrow 180 degree sector of the pitch which is in front of him, but when given a 360 watch his thinking, perception and execution got exposed. I started expressing concerns that he was no replacement for Lauren when he was a right back. I thought that one-dimensional players like this had died out in the 1970s. I suppose that's why I'm such a naughty boy.
Eboue was at his best when he played FB and had no defending to do? I'm not sure how to wrap my head around that statement but I'll do my best. I'll take it to mean when he was in the offensive half. Eboue did have irrational confidence going forward in his early days. He made many a threatening run when overlapping but the final result was sorely lacking. His crossing was not great at all, in fact, none of our FB's could deliver a decent cross consistently.

We bemoaned the efforts of Eboue, Sagna, and Clichy so many times on here in that aspect. You pull out this goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbTSkIJQvwg as a sign of his ability to cross? You have to be kidding me, this was a wonder strike, not a great cross. Eboue makes an simple overlapping run and then he just floats one in there on a hope and a prayer. RVP then delivers a shot that only a very few could produce. Guess that famous memory isn't doing too well on this one.

As I said earlier, as strictly a defender, Eboue was average. A backup squad player in every sense of the word. Going forward in any meaningful way was not his strong suit at all.

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I disliked Eboue for his diving, he was , & still is, one of the worst culprits around, but if the current Arsenal players could match his enthusiasm & drive I feel that Arsenal would be a better team
I remember watching he & Kolo & admiring the passion in their play

Both are older now & its hard to keep that kind of fire burning, but as a none Arsenal supporter, I greatly admired these 2 players
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Aug 7 2013, 03:07 PM
I disliked Eboue for his diving, he was , & still is, one of the worst culprits around, but if the current Arsenal players could match his enthusiasm & drive I feel that Arsenal would be a better team
I remember watching he & Kolo & admiring the passion in their play

Both are older now & its hard to keep that kind of fire burning, but as a none Arsenal supporter, I greatly admired these 2 players
Bog just trolling for cheap heat here with the love for Eboue and Kolo. LOL
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Aug 7 2013, 03:31 PM
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Aug 7 2013, 03:07 PM
I disliked Eboue for his diving, he was , & still is, one of the worst culprits around, but if the current Arsenal players could match his enthusiasm & drive I feel that Arsenal would be a better team
I remember watching he & Kolo & admiring the passion in their play

Both are older now & its hard to keep that kind of fire burning, but as a none Arsenal supporter, I greatly admired these 2 players
Bog just trolling for cheap heat here with the love for Eboue and Kolo. LOL
He's at the head of a queue I suppose, some in earnest and some in jest.
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Aug 7 2013, 03:31 PM
billabog5
Aug 7 2013, 03:07 PM
I disliked Eboue for his diving, he was , & still is, one of the worst culprits around, but if the current Arsenal players could match his enthusiasm & drive I feel that Arsenal would be a better team
I remember watching he & Kolo & admiring the passion in their play

Both are older now & its hard to keep that kind of fire burning, but as a none Arsenal supporter, I greatly admired these 2 players
Bog just trolling for cheap heat here with the love for Eboue and Kolo. LOL
What happened to using the term 'ballbag', Jays? Nice trolling btw, bb.
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Aug 7 2013, 02:23 PM
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Aug 7 2013, 01:53 PM
LOL in fact no, that's completely wrong! You and I both have to look hard for where Eboué was of some use. It always seemed to me that Eboué was best when he was played at fullback, but had no defending to do. Eboué was a good crosser of the ball, he could do that with more effectiveness than a simple pass to a midfielder.

Eboué always seemed to be able to get to a ball quickly and see the space in front of him and generally get well wide. He did that for the famous RVP (<SK) goal that was scored v Charlton. In that game Eboué wasn't playing especially well, but pulled that off without a hint of lacking confidence. When he played in midfield he could not adapt to the even quicker turn-around from possession to defending. Most fullbacks are half-decent midfielders. Eboué was therefore what coaches call a front-foot player - able to assess opportunities for a pass and threats to possession in a narrow 180 degree sector of the pitch which is in front of him, but when given a 360 watch his thinking, perception and execution got exposed. I started expressing concerns that he was no replacement for Lauren when he was a right back. I thought that one-dimensional players like this had died out in the 1970s. I suppose that's why I'm such a naughty boy.
Eboue was at his best when he played FB and had no defending to do? I'm not sure how to wrap my head around that statement but I'll do my best. I'll take it to mean when he was in the offensive half. Eboue did have irrational confidence going forward in his early days. He made many a threatening run when overlapping but the final result was sorely lacking. His crossing was not great at all, in fact, none of our FB's could deliver a decent cross consistently.

We bemoaned the efforts of Eboue, Sagna, and Clichy so many times on here in that aspect. You pull out this goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbTSkIJQvwg as a sign of his ability to cross? You have to be kidding me, this was a wonder strike, not a great cross. Eboue makes an simple overlapping run and then he just floats one in there on a hope and a prayer. RVP then delivers a shot that only a very few could produce. Guess that famous memory isn't doing too well on this one.

As I said earlier, as strictly a defender, Eboue was average. A backup squad player in every sense of the word. Going forward in any meaningful way was not his strong suit at all.

I find myself in uncomfortable territory, but yes. That was a great cross. He looked up, he floated the ball in without overhitting it. There is a chance that the defender can judge it but he gives RVP the advantage. It is a strikers dream, and no I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with the finish, it could be RVPs best goal ever. It took two good judgements and one good execution by Eboué to get around the fullback and then play it in there.

Now, I explained that from fullback Eboué could see all in front of him, and having a little pace meant he could get forward unexpectedly. I think you have a good enough take on what I said. His passing as a fullback in more defensive situations was atrocious. You do realise fullbacks pass more than tackle these days, don't you?

"Average" can mean a lot of things, and I don't like to be involved in conversations where it is slung about like a second-hand cloak. Eboué was average for a footballer, considering that there are 92 teams in the four divisions. But for the EPL Eboué was a bad defender. There is a reason why he is now an average player, in a lesser league. That at the peak of his career. I rest my case.
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Aug 7 2013, 03:54 PM
I find myself in uncomfortable territory, but yes. That was a great cross. He looked up, he floated the ball in without overhitting it. There is a chance that the defender can judge it but he gives RVP the advantage. It is a strikers dream, and no I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with the finish, it could be RVPs best goal ever. It took two good judgements and one good execution by Eboué to get around the fullback and then play it in there.

Now, I explained that from fullback Eboué could see all in front of him, and having a little pace meant he could get forward unexpectedly. I think you have a good enough take on what I said. His passing as a fullback in more defensive situations was atrocious. You do realise fullbacks pass more than tackle these days, don't you?

"Average" can mean a lot of things, and I don't like to be involved in conversations where it is slung about like a second-hand cloak. Eboué was average for a footballer, considering that there are 92 teams in the four divisions. But for the EPL Eboué was a bad defender. There is a reason why he is now an average player, in a lesser league. That at the peak of his career. I rest my case.
Knowing Eboue, I'll bet he actually did overhit it trying to get the ball into Walcott rather than RVP. Either that, or as they say, a broken clock is right twice a day. If he was really going for RVP there, which I doubt, then good for him. Damn shame he couldn't do that more than once every other season.
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