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| Gooner0893 | Aug 5 2013, 04:40 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/10221677/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-is-increasing-isolated-in-the-Premier-Leagues-theatre-of-the-absurd.html We have a manager who is stuck in the early 2000s. He refuses to accept that the times have changed. In the past couple of years, he has had deals to sign Mata and Higuaim and then pulled out negotiations because according to him, the other club moved the goalposts. He is totally lost out there in the transfer market, a dinausaur trying to catch up with the 21st century. This is what has to happen if Arsenal is to win another title. Arsenal needs to have a director of football or GM like Bayern, United, City or Chelsea. Wenger like the coaches at those clubs should focus mainly on coaching, and less on salaries and transfer fees. The new GM (Please Not Gazidis) should be someone who has worked at a top club in Europe and would have the respect of the coach. The coach will identify the players he is interested in, and the GM will work on going after these targets. That way, Wenger will spend less time balancing the books and more time doing his main job. Until that happens, we are going to remain behind the other big clubs. |
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| KamyFC | Aug 5 2013, 06:54 AM Post #2 |
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Unfortunately what u propose will never happen as Wenger cannot under under a Director. As i said in the other thread, Wenger remains in his imaginary market where the transfer fees are 30-50% lesser. As a result in every transfer window we see this same old cautiousness, waiting till the end to get players on the cheap, haggling for a lower price, loosing our targets etc. I thot maybe, just maybe this window will be different - where we wrap up our transfers early and he gets to work on the squad and have a good preseason. But no its looking to be the same old. Edited by KamyFC, Aug 5 2013, 06:56 AM.
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| cruyff_turn | Aug 5 2013, 07:11 AM Post #3 |
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It's really funny you chose this article as the basis for your ridiculous salvo. Apparently you didn't read past the headline. |
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| Gooner0893 | Aug 5 2013, 07:21 AM Post #4 |
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My point was not all about the article. While the writer made some strong point about the coach, the focus of this thread is mainly about the need to change the dynamics at a club where the coach is refusing to move with the times. |
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| cruyff_turn | Aug 5 2013, 09:08 AM Post #5 |
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I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times. Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand. |
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| santry_gooner | Aug 5 2013, 09:55 AM Post #6 |
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I read the piece, a typical piece of journalistic prose that sets up a dichotomy between being with the times, or being without it. Then in the execution he starts to doubt the sanity of what is "the market", looking at all the little signs of public obsession facilitated by SKY & CO. He ends with the following lines: "Perhaps that look in Wenger’s eyes is not a blankness, but a bleakness; the hyper-awareness of a man who sees the ridiculous all around him. The eyes not of an ageing maverick or a lone crackpot, but of the only man who really, truly understands." Now, take a step back. When you bring a bunch of people together, let's say football coaches or fans from a variety of clubs into a face-to-face social situation they begin to doubt that the trends in the market are sustainable. They may not specifically admire Wenger or even refer to Arsenal in any way, but they do suppose that clubs who are throwing money around like confetti will, sooner or later, regret that they participated in the madness that we currently call the transfer market. If there is anything that is absurd it is 0893s continued grasping for relevance of his arcane, insulting and intellectually dishonest remarks about the boss. 0893 has been irrelevant in his comments for seven seven years, a glance at the money available shows he wasted a good slice of his life from 2006-2011 alleging that Arsene would not spend money [while ignoring that Arsene spent a good deal of money on salaries] and generally most/all of the 10-20 million available to him per annum for transfers. Now with financial data for 2012 and 2013 [pending but reputedly an accumulation of 70m] Wenger still has some issues participating in the market sufficient to get the high quality talents we need to improve our team. The only thing that is absurd is that 0893 thinks posting that link supports his argument. However, he is conditioned [see above] into getting a bit of traction by a few of our less brightly lit bulbs who similarly don't keep reading to the end. In a way you can't blame a goldfish for forgetting he passed by this aspect of the room five seconds ago on his previous circuit. |
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| KamyFC | Aug 5 2013, 10:15 AM Post #7 |
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The response by the Moderators - Cryuff and Santry are also extremely predictable. Cruyff absolutely dismisses 0893's post, just like the way he dismissed our pathetic performance against Galatasaray (look at the other thread) That response is so predictable Cryuff. A one liner dismissing and not even discussing 0893's opinion, just because u dont agree with it. Classy indeed. Talking bout class - Le Moderator - Santry atleast expands on his never ending love for Wenger. And apparently criticism of Wenger's methods is 'insulting'. Agains so predictable. Grow up you two. And atleast respect or respond to an opinion. Edited by KamyFC, Aug 5 2013, 10:16 AM.
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| jays712 | Aug 5 2013, 10:46 AM Post #8 |
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This article really doesn't have much to with AW at all. The author spends as much time talking about the over-the-top TV coverage of the upcoming season as he does anything else. The fact that AW was grilled about Suarez in the tunnel or the little box in the corner which focused on AW's expression during a PK give us no insight into anything regarding our transfer dealings this summer. Its just used to show how crazy the coverage of the sport has become. |
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| Gooner0893 | Aug 5 2013, 11:01 AM Post #9 |
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If anything is old, it is the tireless belief that Wenger can do no wrong. Things need to change if Arsenal wants to compete with the big boys. Constantly looking for every little bargain and cheap options like Chamack and Sanogo will not bring Arsenal close to a title. Cruyff, are you saying that you are satisfied with the status quo? You have constantly proclaimed for the past 3 years that Arsenal is about to spend big on players. We are getting outbid by clubs like Napoli. The major European clubs would rather not do business with Arsenal because they realize how cheap we are. The current structure at Arsenal has not produced any trophies since Dein left and I don't see anything that shows any real changes going forward. In a year of transition for the other big clubs, Arsenal will once again go into the season with the attitude that a fourth place finish is akin to winning a trophy. |
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| cruyff_turn | Aug 5 2013, 11:51 AM Post #10 |
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I see you stay true to form by either misrepresenting things I've said or all-out making things up. A) I've never said Wenger does no wrong. B) I have not constantly proclaimed over the past three years that Wenger is about to spend big. As for your question: Am I satisfied with the status quo? This is where the chasm between us is as large as ever. You would argue "status quo" means that Wenger and the board are content to finish 4th on a relatively modest budget while they line their pockets. I would argue this "status quo" was an inevitable aspect of the stadium move. Arsene Wenger has had to sell star players year after year after year in order to keep the club in the black. Our lack of liquidity during that time, combined with infusion of oil money, severely hampered our ability to compete in the transfer market (Mata being a prime example). There is not much evidence for your claims. Which brings us to this summer. For the first time in many years, Arsenal are again competitive in the transfer market. We've made close to the record bid in the Premier League. We are either going to sign Luis Suarez, or we're going to sign Wayne Rooney. We are also going to sign one (or two) other player(s) who are difference-makers. Either way, we're going to smash our transfer record. Feel free to beat me with a stick if these predictions don't pan out, but your thread here is premature at best. Edited by cruyff_turn, Aug 5 2013, 11:52 AM.
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