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Wenger alone in theatre of absurd
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Topic Started: Aug 5 2013, 04:40 AM (2,204 Views)
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Gooner0893
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Aug 5 2013, 12:17 PM
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The response by the Moderators - Cryuff and Santry are also extremely predictable.
Cruyff absolutely dismisses 0893's post, just like the way he dismissed our pathetic performance against Galatasaray (look at the other thread) That response is so predictable Cryuff. A one liner dismissing and not even discussing 0893's opinion, just because u dont agree with it. Classy indeed.
Talking bout class - Le Moderator - Santry atleast expands on his never ending love for Wenger. And apparently criticism of Wenger's methods is 'insulting'. Agains so predictable.
Grow up you two. And atleast respect or respond to an opinion.
If anything is old, it is the tireless belief that Wenger can do no wrong. Things need to change if Arsenal wants to compete with the big boys. Constantly looking for every little bargain and cheap options like Chamack and Sanogo will not bring Arsenal close to a title. Cruyff, are you saying that you are satisfied with the status quo? You have constantly proclaimed for the past 3 years that Arsenal is about to spend big on players. We are getting outbid by clubs like Napoli. The major European clubs would rather not do business with Arsenal because they realize how cheap we are. The current structure at Arsenal has not produced any trophies since Dein left and I don't see anything that shows any real changes going forward. In a year of transition for the other big clubs, Arsenal will once again go into the season with the attitude that a fourth place finish is akin to winning a trophy.
I see you stay true to form by either misrepresenting things I've said or all-out making things up. A) I've never said Wenger does no wrong. B) I have not constantly proclaimed over the past three years that Wenger is about to spend big. As for your question: Am I satisfied with the status quo? This is where the chasm between us is as large as ever. You would argue "status quo" means that Wenger and the board are content to finish 4th on a relatively modest budget while they line their pockets. I would argue this "status quo" was an inevitable aspect of the stadium move. Arsene Wenger has had to sell star players year after year after year in order to keep the club in the black. Our lack of liquidity during that time, combined with infusion of oil money, severely hampered our ability to compete in the transfer market (Mata being a prime example). There is not much evidence for your claims. Which brings us to this summer. For the first time in many years, Arsenal are again competitive in the transfer market. We've made close to the record bid in the Premier League. We are either going to sign Luis Suarez, or we're going to sign Wayne Rooney. We are also going to sign one (or two) other player(s) who are difference-makers. Either way, we're going to smash our transfer record. Feel free to beat me with a stick if these predictions don't pan out, but your thread here is premature at best. First of all, you have for the past 3 years been saying that Arsenal will spend big on players. Also, you are saying that Arsenal is for the first time competitive in the market? Really??? Who did we sign? Jovetic? Higuaim? Cavani? Oh no, I forgot. We signed Yaya Sanogo on a free transfer. Not Yaya Toure. No, We signed Yaya "Freakin" Sanogo. That's what you call competitive in the transfer market? I guess we can safely say that you have joined Wenger in la la land.
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Aug 5 2013, 12:19 PM
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I see you stay true to form by either misrepresenting things I've said or all-out making things up.
A) I've never said Wenger does no wrong. B) I have not constantly proclaimed over the past three years that Wenger is about to spend big.
As for your question: Am I satisfied with the status quo? This is where the chasm between us is as large as ever. You would argue "status quo" means that Wenger and the board are content to finish 4th on a relatively modest budget while they line their pockets. I would argue this "status quo" was an inevitable aspect of the stadium move. Arsene Wenger has had to sell star players year after year after year in order to keep the club in the black. Our lack of liquidity during that time, combined with infusion of oil money, severely hampered our ability to compete in the transfer market (Mata being a prime example).
There is not much evidence for your claims.
Which brings us to this summer. For the first time in many years, Arsenal are again competitive in the transfer market. We've made close to the record bid in the Premier League. We are either going to sign Luis Suarez, or we're going to sign Wayne Rooney. We are also going to sign one (or two) other player(s) who are difference-makers. Either way, we're going to smash our transfer record. Feel free to beat me with a stick if these predictions don't pan out, but your thread here is premature at best. I can't imagine in a million years that we're gonna sign Rooney. The Suarez talk has cooled down in the last couple days. That could be interpreted as a good or bad thing in terms of us signing him. I'm still sitting around 25-30% chance of that deal being done.
If we don't get one or the other, well then I don't know what's gonna happen.
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Aug 5 2013, 12:19 PM
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Kam, even though I (once again) humored 0893 on the subject, it's grown so repetitive and tired that it's not even worth having, especially not with this much time left in the transfer window.
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cruyff_turn
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Aug 5 2013, 12:21 PM
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- Aug 5 2013, 12:17 PM
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The response by the Moderators - Cryuff and Santry are also extremely predictable.
Cruyff absolutely dismisses 0893's post, just like the way he dismissed our pathetic performance against Galatasaray (look at the other thread) That response is so predictable Cryuff. A one liner dismissing and not even discussing 0893's opinion, just because u dont agree with it. Classy indeed.
Talking bout class - Le Moderator - Santry atleast expands on his never ending love for Wenger. And apparently criticism of Wenger's methods is 'insulting'. Agains so predictable.
Grow up you two. And atleast respect or respond to an opinion.
If anything is old, it is the tireless belief that Wenger can do no wrong. Things need to change if Arsenal wants to compete with the big boys. Constantly looking for every little bargain and cheap options like Chamack and Sanogo will not bring Arsenal close to a title. Cruyff, are you saying that you are satisfied with the status quo? You have constantly proclaimed for the past 3 years that Arsenal is about to spend big on players. We are getting outbid by clubs like Napoli. The major European clubs would rather not do business with Arsenal because they realize how cheap we are. The current structure at Arsenal has not produced any trophies since Dein left and I don't see anything that shows any real changes going forward. In a year of transition for the other big clubs, Arsenal will once again go into the season with the attitude that a fourth place finish is akin to winning a trophy.
I see you stay true to form by either misrepresenting things I've said or all-out making things up. A) I've never said Wenger does no wrong. B) I have not constantly proclaimed over the past three years that Wenger is about to spend big. As for your question: Am I satisfied with the status quo? This is where the chasm between us is as large as ever. You would argue "status quo" means that Wenger and the board are content to finish 4th on a relatively modest budget while they line their pockets. I would argue this "status quo" was an inevitable aspect of the stadium move. Arsene Wenger has had to sell star players year after year after year in order to keep the club in the black. Our lack of liquidity during that time, combined with infusion of oil money, severely hampered our ability to compete in the transfer market (Mata being a prime example). There is not much evidence for your claims. Which brings us to this summer. For the first time in many years, Arsenal are again competitive in the transfer market. We've made close to the record bid in the Premier League. We are either going to sign Luis Suarez, or we're going to sign Wayne Rooney. We are also going to sign one (or two) other player(s) who are difference-makers. Either way, we're going to smash our transfer record. Feel free to beat me with a stick if these predictions don't pan out, but your thread here is premature at best.
First of all, you have for the past 3 years been saying that Arsenal will spend big on players. Also, you are saying that Arsenal is for the first time competitive in the market? Really??? Who did we sign? Jovetic? Higuaim? Cavani? Oh no, I forgot. We signed Yaya Sanogo on a free transfer. Not Yaya Toure. No, We signed Yaya "Freakin" Sanogo. That's what you call competitive in the transfer market? I guess we can safely say that you have joined Wenger in la la land. Oh, have I? Do you have any evidence for your claims? And again, take a deep breath. There's a lot of time left in this transfer window.
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Aug 5 2013, 01:28 PM
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The response by the Moderators - Cryuff and Santry are also extremely predictable.
Cruyff absolutely dismisses 0893's post, just like the way he dismissed our pathetic performance against Galatasaray (look at the other thread) That response is so predictable Cryuff. A one liner dismissing and not even discussing 0893's opinion, just because u dont agree with it. Classy indeed.
Talking bout class - Le Moderator - Santry atleast expands on his never ending love for Wenger. And apparently criticism of Wenger's methods is 'insulting'. Agains so predictable.
Grow up you two. And atleast respect or respond to an opinion.
If anything is old, it is the tireless belief that Wenger can do no wrong. Things need to change if Arsenal wants to compete with the big boys. Constantly looking for every little bargain and cheap options like Chamack and Sanogo will not bring Arsenal close to a title. Cruyff, are you saying that you are satisfied with the status quo? You have constantly proclaimed for the past 3 years that Arsenal is about to spend big on players. We are getting outbid by clubs like Napoli. The major European clubs would rather not do business with Arsenal because they realize how cheap we are. The current structure at Arsenal has not produced any trophies since Dein left and I don't see anything that shows any real changes going forward. In a year of transition for the other big clubs, Arsenal will once again go into the season with the attitude that a fourth place finish is akin to winning a trophy.
I see you stay true to form by either misrepresenting things I've said or all-out making things up. A) I've never said Wenger does no wrong. B) I have not constantly proclaimed over the past three years that Wenger is about to spend big. As for your question: Am I satisfied with the status quo? This is where the chasm between us is as large as ever. You would argue "status quo" means that Wenger and the board are content to finish 4th on a relatively modest budget while they line their pockets. I would argue this "status quo" was an inevitable aspect of the stadium move. Arsene Wenger has had to sell star players year after year after year in order to keep the club in the black. Our lack of liquidity during that time, combined with infusion of oil money, severely hampered our ability to compete in the transfer market (Mata being a prime example). There is not much evidence for your claims. Which brings us to this summer. For the first time in many years, Arsenal are again competitive in the transfer market. We've made close to the record bid in the Premier League. We are either going to sign Luis Suarez, or we're going to sign Wayne Rooney. We are also going to sign one (or two) other player(s) who are difference-makers. Either way, we're going to smash our transfer record. Feel free to beat me with a stick if these predictions don't pan out, but your thread here is premature at best. Crazy... I mean like, so many positive waves... maybe we can't lose. You're on! - Oddball
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Aug 5 2013, 02:05 PM
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- Aug 5 2013, 09:08 AM
I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.
Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand. The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested.
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Gooner0893
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Aug 5 2013, 02:19 PM
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I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.
Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand.
The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested. The problem with Wengerites. They defend Wenger no matter what. We could have had both Mata and higuaim who would have improved Arsenal exponentially. But we don't because we are beyond cheap and would rather pursue a free transfer.
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Aug 5 2013, 02:21 PM
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I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.
Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand.
The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested. I'd like to know how Wenger f***ed up in the transfer market when he had typically 10-20 million to spend, depending on sales and income. Now I know what is coming next.... "Wenger is the one who is insisting on zero annual loss. Meanwhile the fiduciary responsibility for whether a company will make a loss or profit is a matter of control by the board of Directors.
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Aug 5 2013, 02:26 PM
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I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.
Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand.
The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested.
I'd like to know how Wenger f***ed up in the transfer market when he had typically 10-20 million to spend, depending on sales and income. Now I know what is coming next.... "Wenger is the one who is insisting on zero annual loss. Meanwhile the fiduciary responsibility for whether a company will make a loss or profit is a matter of control by the board of Directors. Wow, you apparently in those board meeting where Wenger was only given 10 mil to spend.
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Aug 5 2013, 02:27 PM
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I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.
Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand.
The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested.
The problem with Wengerites. They defend Wenger no matter what. We could have had both Mata and higuaim who would have improved Arsenal exponentially. But we don't because we are beyond cheap and would rather pursue a free transfer. Why am I not surprised at all that you failed to address any of my points. Because you don't care to have a real conversation about this.
Here are the two HUGE differences between the Higuain (it's spelled with an n, not an m) and Mata deals.
In regards to Mata: We had no choice but to bow out, we couldn't match Chelsea's offer.
In regards to Higuain: Rather than settle for Higuain, we opted to go for a more expensive target because he is a better player.
Thus, the situations are not comparable.
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