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cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 02:27 PM
Gooner0893
Aug 5 2013, 02:19 PM
dream_team
Aug 5 2013, 02:05 PM
cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 09:08 AM
I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.

Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand.
The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested.
The problem with Wengerites. They defend Wenger no matter what. We could have had both Mata and higuaim who would have improved Arsenal exponentially. But we don't because we are beyond cheap and would rather pursue a free transfer.
Why am I not surprised at all that you failed to address any of my points. Because you don't care to have a real conversation about this.

Here are the two HUGE differences between the Higuain (it's spelled with an n, not an m) and Mata deals.

In regards to Mata: We had no choice but to bow out, we couldn't match Chelsea's offer.

In regards to Higuain: Rather than settle for Higuain, we opted to go for a more expensive target because he is a better player.

Thus, the situations are not comparable.
What rubbish!, you clearly have short memory, Mata release clause was there for Arsenal to activate, wayy before Chelsea came in, Mata was begging for Arsenal to come get him, but we dragged, dragged and dragged our feet until the release clause expired and Chelsea couldn't get their number one target (Modric) hence they turned to juan mata pretty late.
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Aug 5 2013, 06:13 PM
cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 02:27 PM
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Aug 5 2013, 02:19 PM
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Aug 5 2013, 02:05 PM
cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 09:08 AM
I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.

Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand.
The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested.
The problem with Wengerites. They defend Wenger no matter what. We could have had both Mata and higuaim who would have improved Arsenal exponentially. But we don't because we are beyond cheap and would rather pursue a free transfer.
Why am I not surprised at all that you failed to address any of my points. Because you don't care to have a real conversation about this.

Here are the two HUGE differences between the Higuain (it's spelled with an n, not an m) and Mata deals.

In regards to Mata: We had no choice but to bow out, we couldn't match Chelsea's offer.

In regards to Higuain: Rather than settle for Higuain, we opted to go for a more expensive target because he is a better player.

Thus, the situations are not comparable.
What rubbish!, you clearly have short memory, Mata release clause was there for Arsenal to activate, wayy before Chelsea came in, Mata was begging for Arsenal to come get him, but we dragged, dragged and dragged our feet until the release clause expired and Chelsea couldn't get their number one target (Modric) hence they turned to juan mata pretty late.
Am I missing something? Could we have gotten Mata without Chelsea even getting to bid?

And even if so, how does that compare to the Higuain situation? It seems we valued him at a certain level and were unwilling to go any further.
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santry_gooner
Aug 5 2013, 02:48 PM
Fact: Chelsea outbid us for Mata and secured him for 23.5 million
Fact: Our initial bid was for 18 million [or thereabouts]
Fact: Had we stayed "in the mix" for Mata we would have still lost out, the only "gain" being that Chelsea would pay a much higher price.
another rubbish,

Fact: Chelsea didn't outbid Arsenal, Arsenal REFUSED to sign mata, as mata was there to be signed waaaayyyyyy before Chelsea became interested.
It's just like saying Napoli outbid Arsenal for Higuain, Napoli didn't outbid Arsenal, because Arsenal last "bid" was at least a month before Napoli first, just like our bid for Mata was at least a month before Chelsea's first bid for Mata.
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dsch15
Aug 5 2013, 06:20 PM
dream_team
Aug 5 2013, 06:13 PM
cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 02:27 PM
Gooner0893
Aug 5 2013, 02:19 PM
dream_team
Aug 5 2013, 02:05 PM
cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 09:08 AM
I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.

Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand.
The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested.
The problem with Wengerites. They defend Wenger no matter what. We could have had both Mata and higuaim who would have improved Arsenal exponentially. But we don't because we are beyond cheap and would rather pursue a free transfer.
Why am I not surprised at all that you failed to address any of my points. Because you don't care to have a real conversation about this.

Here are the two HUGE differences between the Higuain (it's spelled with an n, not an m) and Mata deals.

In regards to Mata: We had no choice but to bow out, we couldn't match Chelsea's offer.

In regards to Higuain: Rather than settle for Higuain, we opted to go for a more expensive target because he is a better player.

Thus, the situations are not comparable.
What rubbish!, you clearly have short memory, Mata release clause was there for Arsenal to activate, wayy before Chelsea came in, Mata was begging for Arsenal to come get him, but we dragged, dragged and dragged our feet until the release clause expired and Chelsea couldn't get their number one target (Modric) hence they turned to juan mata pretty late.
Am I missing something? Could we have gotten Mata without Chelsea even getting to bid?

And even if so, how does that compare to the Higuain situation? It seems we valued him at a certain level and were unwilling to go any further.
DSCH if Chelsea didn't bid for mata, there's about 99% Chance that we wouldn't have signed him, as we basically refused to increase our offer for the player to match what Valencia were asking, isn't that the same with higuain, we refused to go further above a certain value.
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dream_team
Aug 5 2013, 06:25 PM
dsch15
Aug 5 2013, 06:20 PM
dream_team
Aug 5 2013, 06:13 PM
cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 02:27 PM
Gooner0893
Aug 5 2013, 02:19 PM
dream_team
Aug 5 2013, 02:05 PM
cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 09:08 AM
I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.

Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand.
The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested.
The problem with Wengerites. They defend Wenger no matter what. We could have had both Mata and higuaim who would have improved Arsenal exponentially. But we don't because we are beyond cheap and would rather pursue a free transfer.
Why am I not surprised at all that you failed to address any of my points. Because you don't care to have a real conversation about this.

Here are the two HUGE differences between the Higuain (it's spelled with an n, not an m) and Mata deals.

In regards to Mata: We had no choice but to bow out, we couldn't match Chelsea's offer.

In regards to Higuain: Rather than settle for Higuain, we opted to go for a more expensive target because he is a better player.

Thus, the situations are not comparable.
What rubbish!, you clearly have short memory, Mata release clause was there for Arsenal to activate, wayy before Chelsea came in, Mata was begging for Arsenal to come get him, but we dragged, dragged and dragged our feet until the release clause expired and Chelsea couldn't get their number one target (Modric) hence they turned to juan mata pretty late.
Am I missing something? Could we have gotten Mata without Chelsea even getting to bid?

And even if so, how does that compare to the Higuain situation? It seems we valued him at a certain level and were unwilling to go any further.
DSCH if Chelsea didn't bid for mata, there's about 99% Chance that we wouldn't have signed him, as we basically refused to increase our offer for the player to match what Valencia were asking, isn't that the same with higuain, we refused to go further above a certain value.
Bingo, explain it DT5. I don't understand why some fans fail to see the similarities here. We failed to get both players because in both instances, we refused to pay a few millions more to meet the asking price of both Valencia and Real Madrid.
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Aug 5 2013, 06:25 PM
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Aug 5 2013, 06:20 PM
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Aug 5 2013, 06:13 PM
cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 02:27 PM
Gooner0893
Aug 5 2013, 02:19 PM
dream_team
Aug 5 2013, 02:05 PM
cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 09:08 AM
I don't even know why you posted the link. You should have just gone on with another one of your patented, predictable, boring posts which misrepresent a whole number of things (i.e. comparing the Higuain/Mata situation - talk about "absurd") in order to make a point which you've made hundreds of times.

Believe us, 0893, we know where you stand.
The criticism by 0893 might be unnecessary, because these are stuff we all know. We ALL know that wenger has basically f**ked up in the transfer market for the past 8 years, although not all of us will admit it. The comparison of the Higuain and Mata situation is anything but absurd, if anything the situations are very similar, for both players we showed some interest, but refused to pay 2-5% more than what we think those players are worth at the expense of the squad, we dragged and dragged our feet until another club became interested.
The problem with Wengerites. They defend Wenger no matter what. We could have had both Mata and higuaim who would have improved Arsenal exponentially. But we don't because we are beyond cheap and would rather pursue a free transfer.
Why am I not surprised at all that you failed to address any of my points. Because you don't care to have a real conversation about this.

Here are the two HUGE differences between the Higuain (it's spelled with an n, not an m) and Mata deals.

In regards to Mata: We had no choice but to bow out, we couldn't match Chelsea's offer.

In regards to Higuain: Rather than settle for Higuain, we opted to go for a more expensive target because he is a better player.

Thus, the situations are not comparable.
What rubbish!, you clearly have short memory, Mata release clause was there for Arsenal to activate, wayy before Chelsea came in, Mata was begging for Arsenal to come get him, but we dragged, dragged and dragged our feet until the release clause expired and Chelsea couldn't get their number one target (Modric) hence they turned to juan mata pretty late.
Am I missing something? Could we have gotten Mata without Chelsea even getting to bid?

And even if so, how does that compare to the Higuain situation? It seems we valued him at a certain level and were unwilling to go any further.
DSCH if Chelsea didn't bid for mata, there's about 99% Chance that we wouldn't have signed him, as we basically refused to increase our offer for the player to match what Valencia were asking, isn't that the same with higuain, we refused to go further above a certain value.
If we didn't want to pay more for Mata and Valencia therefore refused to sell him to us, why does anyone care about Chelsea's involvement? It seems irrelevant. They simply showed up to buy something we'd already looked at and put back on the shelf as too expensive.

If that is the case, then maybe there is something to compare between the Mata and Higuain sagas. We didn't like the price tag on either. If it was not a question about agreeing to pay more in order to shut out other suitors, I wonder why several posters seem to think that others somehow scooped us on those deals.
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The big similarity between the two non-deals is that we didn't strike when we had the chance. I guess that extra few millions that weren't spent for Mata would've put us in administration. LOL
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Aug 5 2013, 06:47 PM
The big similarity between the two non-deals is that we didn't strike when we had the chance. I guess that extra few millions that weren't spent for Mata would've put us in administration. LOL
If we missed out because we were unwilling to spend more that's a lot different than being outbid because we took too long to close a deal. I think those two things have been combined in a lot of the descriptions of the events I've read. It's clear Mata was worth the extra money. Higuain...?
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Aug 5 2013, 07:18 PM
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Aug 5 2013, 06:47 PM
The big similarity between the two non-deals is that we didn't strike when we had the chance. I guess that extra few millions that weren't spent for Mata would've put us in administration. LOL
If we missed out because we were unwilling to spend more that's a lot different than being outbid because we took too long to close a deal. I think those two things have been combined in a lot of the descriptions of the events I've read. It's clear Mata was worth the extra money. Higuain...?
We will see about Higuain but Mata was definitely worth what Valencia was asking for him and more. He has been Chelsea's best player each of the last two seasons. And we could have had him if we hadn't been so cheap.
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cruyff_turn
Aug 5 2013, 07:11 AM
It's really funny you chose this article as the basis for your ridiculous salvo. Apparently you didn't read past the headline.
What's even funnier is that he apparently misread the headline. Most of the stuff that the Sack Wenger Brigade posts and hangs their hats on in order to hang Le Boss is pretty weak, but the article and headline linked here almost pays tribute to the man. L-O-fucking-L!
Edited by JustOneDennisBergkamp, Aug 5 2013, 07:34 PM.
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