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Topic Started: Aug 6 2013, 04:07 AM (1,073 Views)
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santry_gooner
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Aug 7 2013, 03:28 PM
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Michu has a slightly better goal return for a similar number of minutes, but much fewer opportunities than Giroud. Michu looks like a slightly better player, but honestly Giroud isn't miles behind him.
I would ask the Hitman to explain why he thinks his style suits Arsenal better. Their movement and positioning is very similar. Giroud looks better in the air.
The only issue I would have is that Michu isn't a 30 million pound player.
I already did. Whilst you say movements & positioning are similar, its what you do in those positions that counts. Michu is far more comfortable on the ball, he is quicker of both mind & feet than Giroud & his silkier touch would bring Arsenals midfield into the game more Being slightly better can be, & is often the difference between winning & not winning games.
Being slightly better and heading into your second season. The difference could be that Michu is a quick adapter, while Giroud doubles his goal tally at every club he plays for in his second season. I don't believe he will double his goal tally, but with the number of chances he got you would have to expect a higher return. In any case my question was to the Hitman.
your question may have been addressed to hitman but as I had also said that I think Michu would be a better fit at Arsenal & seeing as you obviously didn't see how that conclusion could be reached, I thought I should explain it for you What is your sample size for Giroud " doubling his goal tally in every second season at a club" because that is one desperate retort right there & if you don'y believe he will do that, why evcen post such garbage Surely it must be a concern if he is missing that many chances
Hold up a second. I didn't "obviously not see how that conclusion could be reached". I am asking [Hitman] what he thinks makes Michu such a vast improvement in Giroud. I am saying Michu had a better maiden season, and certainly a better goal tally. But the gap between the two does not constitute a vast improvement in our playing staff. Now I am repeating myself.
& as I said [ sometimes I have to repeat myself], it doesn't need a quantum leap in ability to reap rewards Countless times on the old forum comparisons have been drawn between Utd & Arsenal players & often even I don't think there is that much difference in quality & yet Utd have been finishing 209 points ahead & winning trophies galore whilst Arsenal.......... you know the rest Michu, even by your own assertion, is slightly better than Giroud, so just how poor do you think Giroud is that other strikers could make a huge difference whilst a slightly better omne wouldn't make a difference If you care to read my post carefuly I offered that an important consideration is that both were in their first season. What I am saying there, which [ok] may require elaboration is that there is an age-old tendency for football analysts to treat a debut season with a little caution. I'm sure you know it. As both are in their first season we are two huge variables away from establishing which one is ultimately the better. Purchasing Michu would not be a panacea. Especially as there may be bigger fish to fry in regards to efforts in the transfer market. I am open to Hitman's further explanation of his "stylistic" advantages. That's why I asked the question.
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santry_gooner
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Aug 7 2013, 03:32 PM
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Michu doesn't have Theo's place, but anticipation he has, that gives him a few step a front of the defender to take the shot. And when he takes the shot usually he is pretty deadly.
If we get Suarez good. If not get Michu . Having 2 FBH is better than 1. Hitman, is it like RAS says above that you believe Michu has more guile, but not necessarily more speed or physique than Giroud?
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Aug 7 2013, 03:59 PM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
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Aug 7 2013, 04:14 PM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about. That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?
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Aug 7 2013, 04:19 PM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from? Yep, Michu certainly knows his way to goal. He is a very dangerous player once he is in the box.
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Aug 7 2013, 08:38 PM
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Yup Santry . I am of the opinion. Michu has more guile. Even his celebration is more cool , calm and collected than our FBH.
If I got a choice . It's Higuain . Then Michu and FBH . FBH can really turn into a deadly striker, but right now, he is still a wild card . Same for Poldo. He can have sublime moments , yet he can cock up the simply shot.
It's sad when Walcott seems our most dependable forward.
http://www.7amkickoff.com/2013/how-olivier-giroud-scores-20-goals-for-arsenal-this-season/
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Aug 8 2013, 01:47 AM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from? So let me guess this straight
you accept that Michu is a far better finisher & you accept that Giroud did miss a host of gilt edged chances yet don't think Michu would be an improvement for Arsenal
Interesting, you must really be hanging your hat on your theory [ you never did tell us the sample size] that Giroud doubles his goal tally in his 2nd season at every club
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Aug 8 2013, 12:05 PM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?
So let me guess this straight you accept that Michu is a far better finisher & you accept that Giroud did miss a host of gilt edged chances yet don't think Michu would be an improvement for Arsenal Interesting, you must really be hanging your hat on your theory [ you never did tell us the sample size] that Giroud doubles his goal tally in his 2nd season at every club Is putting words in people's mouths a specialty of yours?
I said I thought that Michu *looks* to be slightly better than Giroud. However, I also qualified it with the fact that the true form of the players has not been established yet. So while Michu had a better first season, Giroud could have a better second one. Following me so far? I then said that it does not appear to be the panacea to our shortcomings in the forward line. That okay? Finally I said that we may be better off concentrating on getting a player who makes a distinct difference to the team. I know, it's a lot to take on board.
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Aug 8 2013, 12:11 PM
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Yup Santry . I am of the opinion. Michu has more guile. Even his celebration is more cool , calm and collected than our FBH. If I got a choice . It's Higuain . Then Michu and FBH . FBH can really turn into a deadly striker, but right now, he is still a wild card . Same for Poldo. He can have sublime moments , yet he can cock up the simply shot. It's sad when Walcott seems our most dependable forward. http://www.7amkickoff.com/2013/how-olivier-giroud-scores-20-goals-for-arsenal-this-season/ Ok, I get it. The question remains, is Michu not a bit of a gamble, that was his first season and I would really want to see another like that, or better before I think he could really improve the Arsenal team. I agree with everything else you said about him, guile/awareness/finishing and so on.
The link supports the case that Theo is under-rated. Interesting that Giroud is 7 shots per goal, I would have put it higher.
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Aug 8 2013, 02:04 PM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?
So let me guess this straight you accept that Michu is a far better finisher & you accept that Giroud did miss a host of gilt edged chances yet don't think Michu would be an improvement for Arsenal Interesting, you must really be hanging your hat on your theory [ you never did tell us the sample size] that Giroud doubles his goal tally in his 2nd season at every club
Is putting words in people's mouths a specialty of yours? I said I thought that Michu *looks* to be slightly better than Giroud. However, I also qualified it with the fact that the true form of the players has not been established yet. So while Michu had a better first season, Giroud could have a better second one. Following me so far? I then said that it does not appear to be the panacea to our shortcomings in the forward line. That okay? Finally I said that we may be better off concentrating on getting a player who makes a distinct difference to the team. I know, it's a lot to take on board. One is profligate in front of goal, the other not so, you yourself acknowledge this.
I would say that would make a distinct difference to a team
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