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Topic Started: Aug 6 2013, 04:07 AM (1,072 Views)
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santry_gooner
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Aug 8 2013, 02:24 PM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?
So let me guess this straight you accept that Michu is a far better finisher & you accept that Giroud did miss a host of gilt edged chances yet don't think Michu would be an improvement for Arsenal Interesting, you must really be hanging your hat on your theory [ you never did tell us the sample size] that Giroud doubles his goal tally in his 2nd season at every club
Is putting words in people's mouths a specialty of yours? I said I thought that Michu *looks* to be slightly better than Giroud. However, I also qualified it with the fact that the true form of the players has not been established yet. So while Michu had a better first season, Giroud could have a better second one. Following me so far? I then said that it does not appear to be the panacea to our shortcomings in the forward line. That okay? Finally I said that we may be better off concentrating on getting a player who makes a distinct difference to the team. I know, it's a lot to take on board.
One is profligate in front of goal, the other not so, you yourself acknowledge this. I would say that would make a distinct difference to a team ...and I didn't.
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Aug 8 2013, 02:27 PM
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Just go back & read your comments about Giroud's & Michu's finishing & tell me where you disagree with my post
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Aug 8 2013, 02:31 PM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from? "Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?"
There you go santry
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Aug 8 2013, 03:25 PM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?
So let me guess this straight you accept that Michu is a far better finisher & you accept that Giroud did miss a host of gilt edged chances yet don't think Michu would be an improvement for Arsenal Interesting, you must really be hanging your hat on your theory [ you never did tell us the sample size] that Giroud doubles his goal tally in his 2nd season at every club
Is putting words in people's mouths a specialty of yours? I said I thought that Michu *looks* to be slightly better than Giroud. However, I also qualified it with the fact that the true form of the players has not been established yet. So while Michu had a better first season, Giroud could have a better second one. Following me so far? I then said that it does not appear to be the panacea to our shortcomings in the forward line. That okay? Finally I said that we may be better off concentrating on getting a player who makes a distinct difference to the team. I know, it's a lot to take on board.
One is profligate in front of goal, the other not so, you yourself acknowledge this. I would say that would make a distinct difference to a team Which is which? The numbers I've been able to find show Giroud scoring 13 goals on 81 shots (16% "finishing" ratio) against Michu scoring 18 goals on 108 shots (16.7%). Not much to divide them there.
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Aug 9 2013, 01:24 AM
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Not much to separate them , from the stats. But having two Farking Blunt Hammer is better than having one. Maybe they will sharpen each other ? Michu also will bring up our average stats in the looks department , bringing us more female fans , buying more shirts and giving the club more money to spend.
I still think that Michu's finishing is more varied , calmer compared to our FBH.
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Aug 9 2013, 01:28 AM
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Not much to separate them , from the stats. But having two Farking Blunt Hammer is better than having one. Maybe they will sharpen each other ? Michu also will bring up our average stats in the looks department , bringing us more female fans , buying more shirts and giving the club more money to spend.
I still think that Michu's finishing is more varied , calmer compared to our FBH. Would you not think that both are hard to evaluate based on the the fact that they have only done one season, with their teams and in the EPL. 16% return rates are anything but blunt, but should improve. The question is, will they?
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Aug 9 2013, 01:32 AM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?
"Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?" There you go santry That's all about the qualities of their finishes and the types of chances they appear to be good at taking. Not effectiveness per say. No doubt if there was a way for you and bog to put words into somebody's mouth whilst in hot pursuit, you will find it.
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Aug 9 2013, 01:53 AM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?
So let me guess this straight you accept that Michu is a far better finisher & you accept that Giroud did miss a host of gilt edged chances yet don't think Michu would be an improvement for Arsenal Interesting, you must really be hanging your hat on your theory [ you never did tell us the sample size] that Giroud doubles his goal tally in his 2nd season at every club
Is putting words in people's mouths a specialty of yours? I said I thought that Michu *looks* to be slightly better than Giroud. However, I also qualified it with the fact that the true form of the players has not been established yet. So while Michu had a better first season, Giroud could have a better second one. Following me so far? I then said that it does not appear to be the panacea to our shortcomings in the forward line. That okay? Finally I said that we may be better off concentrating on getting a player who makes a distinct difference to the team. I know, it's a lot to take on board.
One is profligate in front of goal, the other not so, you yourself acknowledge this. I would say that would make a distinct difference to a team
Which is which? The numbers I've been able to find show Giroud scoring 13 goals on 81 shots (16% "finishing" ratio) against Michu scoring 18 goals on 108 shots (16.7%). Not much to divide them there. So you are now saying either Michu missed a lot of gilt edged chances or Giroud didn't. which is it ?
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Aug 9 2013, 02:20 AM
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?
So let me guess this straight you accept that Michu is a far better finisher & you accept that Giroud did miss a host of gilt edged chances yet don't think Michu would be an improvement for Arsenal Interesting, you must really be hanging your hat on your theory [ you never did tell us the sample size] that Giroud doubles his goal tally in his 2nd season at every club
Is putting words in people's mouths a specialty of yours? I said I thought that Michu *looks* to be slightly better than Giroud. However, I also qualified it with the fact that the true form of the players has not been established yet. So while Michu had a better first season, Giroud could have a better second one. Following me so far? I then said that it does not appear to be the panacea to our shortcomings in the forward line. That okay? Finally I said that we may be better off concentrating on getting a player who makes a distinct difference to the team. I know, it's a lot to take on board.
One is profligate in front of goal, the other not so, you yourself acknowledge this. I would say that would make a distinct difference to a team
Which is which? The numbers I've been able to find show Giroud scoring 13 goals on 81 shots (16% "finishing" ratio) against Michu scoring 18 goals on 108 shots (16.7%). Not much to divide them there.
So you are now saying either Michu missed a lot of gilt edged chances or Giroud didn't. which is it ? No, that is not said or implied. Michu scored some difficult chances, while Giroud missed some easy ones. But all over they are close in terms of their effectiveness.
Come now, the proposer of Michu (Hitman) has conceded ground, and its clear that what he meant was take a punt on Michu who plays with a different style. Will you please state your view on the matter and withdraw from the conversation if you have nothing to offer but misinterpretation? I know the answer will be no, but I'm an optimist, underneath it all.
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Let me make my position clear, while I believe Michu is a better striker I would say he only slightly edges Giroud in most of the attributes. In fact I would say that Giroud is arguably a better target man and probably has better link up play. Where Michu clearly excels is in his finishing as we have seen several times last season, if he gets a half chance he is likely to score. However, as good a season that Michu had I don't believe it would be enough to warrant Arsenal going after him, if he can replicate that form next season then he would be something worth talking about.
That's a good point I hadn't considered. Swansea made a lot of half chances for Michu. Giroud did miss a host of gilt-edged chances. Is that where you are coming from?
So let me guess this straight you accept that Michu is a far better finisher & you accept that Giroud did miss a host of gilt edged chances yet don't think Michu would be an improvement for Arsenal Interesting, you must really be hanging your hat on your theory [ you never did tell us the sample size] that Giroud doubles his goal tally in his 2nd season at every club
Is putting words in people's mouths a specialty of yours? I said I thought that Michu *looks* to be slightly better than Giroud. However, I also qualified it with the fact that the true form of the players has not been established yet. So while Michu had a better first season, Giroud could have a better second one. Following me so far? I then said that it does not appear to be the panacea to our shortcomings in the forward line. That okay? Finally I said that we may be better off concentrating on getting a player who makes a distinct difference to the team. I know, it's a lot to take on board.
One is profligate in front of goal, the other not so, you yourself acknowledge this. I would say that would make a distinct difference to a team
Which is which? The numbers I've been able to find show Giroud scoring 13 goals on 81 shots (16% "finishing" ratio) against Michu scoring 18 goals on 108 shots (16.7%). Not much to divide them there.
So you are now saying either Michu missed a lot of gilt edged chances or Giroud didn't. which is it ?
No, that is not said or implied. Michu scored some difficult chances, while Giroud missed some easy ones. But all over they are close in terms of their effectiveness. Come now, the proposer of Michu (Hitman) has conceded ground, and its clear that what he meant was take a punt on Michu who plays with a different style. Will you please state your view on the matter and withdraw from the conversation if you have nothing to offer but misinterpretation? I know the answer will be no, but I'm an optimist, underneath it all. Do you actually read what you write ?
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