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Racism fandom is alive and well in America
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/adam-jones-banana-thrown-way-t-park-024414128.html
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I knew this was going to be about the Giants.

I disagree with your thread title, though. It is not alive and well in the sporting sense. Sure, there are racists everywhere around the world, and plenty live in America, but we have not had a problem with such overt racism in sports in decades. We leave that to Europe.
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Aug 12 2013, 11:49 AM
I knew this was going to be about the Giants.

I disagree with your thread title, though. It is not alive and well in the sporting sense. Sure, there are racists everywhere around the world, and plenty live in America, but we have not had a problem with such overt racism in sports in decades. We leave that to Europe.
Ain't it always about my G's?

On the specific incident, I'll reserve the hometown right of waiting until the security footage is reviewed before accepting the Jones claim at face value. What's just as significant though is the response that his tweet got. All you have to do is enter any one of the discussions on Yahoo to know that never has a medium been so aptly named. Cowardly yahoos from all over spew out large volumes of racist bile there from the relative safety of their keyboards. As most of these people likely don't engage in the same hateful rhetoric in real life, I think that we must take seriously the notion that there are increasing amounts of closet racists, in fact more than we might want to think.

As the middle class of this country is gutted, and the underclass is forced to fight for whatever scraps are left to them, racism will certainly be on the rise here in America just as it has for the last several decades worldwide. The powers that control both the media and the message will subtly and often overtly point out the cause of society's problems - poor people of color.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Aug 12 2013, 12:05 PM
rw_mlite2
Aug 12 2013, 11:49 AM
I knew this was going to be about the Giants.

I disagree with your thread title, though. It is not alive and well in the sporting sense. Sure, there are racists everywhere around the world, and plenty live in America, but we have not had a problem with such overt racism in sports in decades. We leave that to Europe.
Ain't it always about my G's?

On the specific incident, I'll reserve the hometown right of waiting until the security footage is reviewed before accepting the Jones claim at face value. What's just as significant though is the response that his tweet got. All you have to do is enter any one of the discussions on Yahoo to know that never has a medium been so aptly named. Cowardly yahoos from all over spew out large volumes of racist bile there from the relative safety of their keyboards. As most of these people likely don't engage in the same hateful rhetoric in real life, I think that we must take seriously the notion that there are increasing amounts of closet racists, in fact more than we might want to think.

As the middle class of this country is gutted, and the underclass is forced to fight for whatever scraps are left to them, racism will certainly be on the rise here in America just as it has for the last several decades worldwide. The powers that control both the media and the message will subtly and often overtly point out the cause of society's problems - poor people of color.
Good observation about the Yahoo comments sections. It's been the way for years. It's usually a bunch of political, hate nonsense or a bunch of white, male suppression nonsense.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Aug 12 2013, 12:05 PM
rw_mlite2
Aug 12 2013, 11:49 AM
I knew this was going to be about the Giants.

I disagree with your thread title, though. It is not alive and well in the sporting sense. Sure, there are racists everywhere around the world, and plenty live in America, but we have not had a problem with such overt racism in sports in decades. We leave that to Europe.
Ain't it always about my G's?

On the specific incident, I'll reserve the hometown right of waiting until the security footage is reviewed before accepting the Jones claim at face value. What's just as significant though is the response that his tweet got. All you have to do is enter any one of the discussions on Yahoo to know that never has a medium been so aptly named. Cowardly yahoos from all over spew out large volumes of racist bile there from the relative safety of their keyboards. As most of these people likely don't engage in the same hateful rhetoric in real life, I think that we must take seriously the notion that there are increasing amounts of closet racists, in fact more than we might want to think.

As the middle class of this country is gutted, and the underclass is forced to fight for whatever scraps are left to them, racism will certainly be on the rise here in America just as it has for the last several decades worldwide. The powers that control both the media and the message will subtly and often overtly point out the cause of society's problems - poor people of color.
The idea that some single entity - or several reading from the same script - "control" the media seems to ignore the cacophony of disparate and disputative voices flooding the airwaves and internet these days.

The media are less controlled, and less controllable, than they've ever been.
Edited by dsch15, Aug 12 2013, 12:52 PM.
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I still remember last year when a black Washington Capitals hockey player scored the winning goal in a playoff series agains the Bruins. In the immediate aftermath of that game winning goal, the internet was flooded with all sorts of racial comments. Yep, racism is alive and well in America especially in the deep south and states like Missouri. The only difference is that many of the folks are not as overt as Europeans are.
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Alive, yes. Well? Certainly not.

Racist acts are explicitly illegal in the U.S. and racist speech here is a ticket to the unemployment line for any high profile individual. Racism - at least of the overt variety which is the most important to measure (pace Dr. Reade) - is in decline, if probably too slowly for our liking. Like a deadly disease, there will probably always be pockets of it that resist treatment, but as an organizing principle or even as a generally accepted behavior, its day has passed.

In a country of 320 million or more, there will always be some banana-throwing idiots. There's a reason they're going to forfeit their privileges to attend games. There will always be cowards hiding behind aliases on the internet. There's a reason they're hiding. Even from the relatively short perspective of my own lifetime, we have seen a lot of progress, and though we have far yet to go racism is not healthy in this country in any sense of the word.
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dsch15
Aug 12 2013, 03:53 PM
Alive, yes. Well? Certainly not.

Racist acts are explicitly illegal in the U.S. and racist speech here is a ticket to the unemployment line for any high profile individual. Racism - at least of the overt variety which is the most important to measure (pace Dr. Reade) - is in decline, if probably too slowly for our liking. Like a deadly disease, there will probably always be pockets of it that resist treatment, but as an organizing principle or even as a generally accepted behavior, its day has passed.

In a country of 320 million or more, there will always be some banana-throwing idiots. There's a reason they're going to forfeit their privileges to attend games. There will always be cowards hiding behind aliases on the internet. There's a reason they're hiding. Even from the relatively short perspective of my own lifetime, we have seen a lot of progress, and though we have far yet to go racism is not healthy in this country in any sense of the word.
You are right that it is not overt but it is there. I think that the best African American athletes would be better served attending schools in states like USC in California and Oregon rather than colleges in the SEC where a good number of those in the stands cheering for them could actually care less about them in real life outside of sports because of their race.
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Aug 12 2013, 12:52 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Aug 12 2013, 12:05 PM
rw_mlite2
Aug 12 2013, 11:49 AM
I knew this was going to be about the Giants.

I disagree with your thread title, though. It is not alive and well in the sporting sense. Sure, there are racists everywhere around the world, and plenty live in America, but we have not had a problem with such overt racism in sports in decades. We leave that to Europe.
Ain't it always about my G's?

On the specific incident, I'll reserve the hometown right of waiting until the security footage is reviewed before accepting the Jones claim at face value. What's just as significant though is the response that his tweet got. All you have to do is enter any one of the discussions on Yahoo to know that never has a medium been so aptly named. Cowardly yahoos from all over spew out large volumes of racist bile there from the relative safety of their keyboards. As most of these people likely don't engage in the same hateful rhetoric in real life, I think that we must take seriously the notion that there are increasing amounts of closet racists, in fact more than we might want to think.

As the middle class of this country is gutted, and the underclass is forced to fight for whatever scraps are left to them, racism will certainly be on the rise here in America just as it has for the last several decades worldwide. The powers that control both the media and the message will subtly and often overtly point out the cause of society's problems - poor people of color.
The idea that some single entity - or several reading from the same script - "control" the media seems to ignore the cacophony of disparate and disputative voices flooding the airwaves and internet these days.

The media are less controlled, and less controllable, than they've ever been.
There are now about a half a dozen big media companies left in this era of consolidation, and no conspiracies are required for messages to become homogeneous, and the wisdom carefully crafted to appeal to folks in positions of financial and political power. Fox and MSNBC may shout at one and other, but not over the core issues of importance to the powerful.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Aug 12 2013, 05:44 PM
dsch15
Aug 12 2013, 12:52 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Aug 12 2013, 12:05 PM
rw_mlite2
Aug 12 2013, 11:49 AM
I knew this was going to be about the Giants.

I disagree with your thread title, though. It is not alive and well in the sporting sense. Sure, there are racists everywhere around the world, and plenty live in America, but we have not had a problem with such overt racism in sports in decades. We leave that to Europe.
Ain't it always about my G's?

On the specific incident, I'll reserve the hometown right of waiting until the security footage is reviewed before accepting the Jones claim at face value. What's just as significant though is the response that his tweet got. All you have to do is enter any one of the discussions on Yahoo to know that never has a medium been so aptly named. Cowardly yahoos from all over spew out large volumes of racist bile there from the relative safety of their keyboards. As most of these people likely don't engage in the same hateful rhetoric in real life, I think that we must take seriously the notion that there are increasing amounts of closet racists, in fact more than we might want to think.

As the middle class of this country is gutted, and the underclass is forced to fight for whatever scraps are left to them, racism will certainly be on the rise here in America just as it has for the last several decades worldwide. The powers that control both the media and the message will subtly and often overtly point out the cause of society's problems - poor people of color.
The idea that some single entity - or several reading from the same script - "control" the media seems to ignore the cacophony of disparate and disputative voices flooding the airwaves and internet these days.

The media are less controlled, and less controllable, than they've ever been.
There are now about a half a dozen big media companies left in this era of consolidation, and no conspiracies are required for messages to become homogeneous, and the wisdom carefully crafted to appeal to folks in positions of financial and political power. Fox and MSNBC may shout at one and other, but not over the core issues of importance to the powerful.
From one old guy to another, I think you're still getting your news in pretty traditional ways and are in some danger of assuming everyone else does as well. The blogosphere and twitter are anarchic sources of information and their influence grows consistently.

Who reads a newspaper anymore? Where you see consolidation I see splintering, and myriad voices.

With regard to television, how much more homogenous was the news business when there were only three networks?
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