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Racism fandom is alive and well in America
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Topic Started: Aug 12 2013, 11:41 AM (568 Views)
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rw_mlite2
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Aug 12 2013, 06:22 PM
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I still remember last year when a black Washington Capitals hockey player scored the winning goal in a playoff series agains the Bruins. In the immediate aftermath of that game winning goal, the internet was flooded with all sorts of racial comments. Yep, racism is alive and well in America especially in the deep south and states like Missouri. The only difference is that many of the folks are not as overt as Europeans are. It's also present in northern states. Just out of curiosity...why mention Missouri specifically?
Regardless, it's still not anywhere near mainstream. You'd never see organized sections of fans involved in racist behavior. The younger generations are more tolerant than any other generation in U.S. history. As DSCH says, you're talking about a country with over 300 million people. That's what, fourth largest in the world? Geographically, we're the fourth largest also. Anyway, while there is still a large amount of work to do to diminish racism in America, I'd say we're doing as well as or better than most of the western world. Not that that should be the benchmark. But still...
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Aug 12 2013, 08:12 PM
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I still remember last year when a black Washington Capitals hockey player scored the winning goal in a playoff series agains the Bruins. In the immediate aftermath of that game winning goal, the internet was flooded with all sorts of racial comments. Yep, racism is alive and well in America especially in the deep south and states like Missouri. The only difference is that many of the folks are not as overt as Europeans are.
It's also present in northern states. Just out of curiosity...why mention Missouri specifically? Regardless, it's still not anywhere near mainstream. You'd never see organized sections of fans involved in racist behavior. The younger generations are more tolerant than any other generation in U.S. history. As DSCH says, you're talking about a country with over 300 million people. That's what, fourth largest in the world? Geographically, we're the fourth largest also. Anyway, while there is still a large amount of work to do to diminish racism in America, I'd say we're doing as well as or better than most of the western world. Not that that should be the benchmark. But still... Missouri made national news today: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/12/19987718-rodeo-clown-who-mocked-obama-at-missouri-state-fair-banned-from-performing
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tallsmile28
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Aug 12 2013, 08:32 PM
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While all the internet idiots hiding behind the computer is obvious. I was talking about the banana being thrown. I never thought it would happen any longer in this country but as you said JODB, society is getting ugly.
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rw_mlite2
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Aug 12 2013, 08:46 PM
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I still remember last year when a black Washington Capitals hockey player scored the winning goal in a playoff series agains the Bruins. In the immediate aftermath of that game winning goal, the internet was flooded with all sorts of racial comments. Yep, racism is alive and well in America especially in the deep south and states like Missouri. The only difference is that many of the folks are not as overt as Europeans are.
It's also present in northern states. Just out of curiosity...why mention Missouri specifically? Regardless, it's still not anywhere near mainstream. You'd never see organized sections of fans involved in racist behavior. The younger generations are more tolerant than any other generation in U.S. history. As DSCH says, you're talking about a country with over 300 million people. That's what, fourth largest in the world? Geographically, we're the fourth largest also. Anyway, while there is still a large amount of work to do to diminish racism in America, I'd say we're doing as well as or better than most of the western world. Not that that should be the benchmark. But still...
Missouri made national news today: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/12/19987718-rodeo-clown-who-mocked-obama-at-missouri-state-fair-banned-from-performing Nice. Good thing I don't claim this state as my own. I just live here. Idiots will be idiots anywhere, though.
Looked political rather than racial, though (could be both).
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Gooner0893
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Aug 12 2013, 09:56 PM
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I still remember last year when a black Washington Capitals hockey player scored the winning goal in a playoff series agains the Bruins. In the immediate aftermath of that game winning goal, the internet was flooded with all sorts of racial comments. Yep, racism is alive and well in America especially in the deep south and states like Missouri. The only difference is that many of the folks are not as overt as Europeans are.
It's also present in northern states. Just out of curiosity...why mention Missouri specifically? Regardless, it's still not anywhere near mainstream. You'd never see organized sections of fans involved in racist behavior. The younger generations are more tolerant than any other generation in U.S. history. As DSCH says, you're talking about a country with over 300 million people. That's what, fourth largest in the world? Geographically, we're the fourth largest also. Anyway, while there is still a large amount of work to do to diminish racism in America, I'd say we're doing as well as or better than most of the western world. Not that that should be the benchmark. But still...
Missouri made national news today: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/12/19987718-rodeo-clown-who-mocked-obama-at-missouri-state-fair-banned-from-performing
Nice. Good thing I don't claim this state as my own. I just live here. Idiots will be idiots anywhere, though. Looked political rather than racial, though (could be both). It's probably both. I know a little bit about the state of Missouri and that kind of behavior while awful was not shocking to me.
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rw_mlite2
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Aug 13 2013, 12:27 AM
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I still remember last year when a black Washington Capitals hockey player scored the winning goal in a playoff series agains the Bruins. In the immediate aftermath of that game winning goal, the internet was flooded with all sorts of racial comments. Yep, racism is alive and well in America especially in the deep south and states like Missouri. The only difference is that many of the folks are not as overt as Europeans are.
It's also present in northern states. Just out of curiosity...why mention Missouri specifically? Regardless, it's still not anywhere near mainstream. You'd never see organized sections of fans involved in racist behavior. The younger generations are more tolerant than any other generation in U.S. history. As DSCH says, you're talking about a country with over 300 million people. That's what, fourth largest in the world? Geographically, we're the fourth largest also. Anyway, while there is still a large amount of work to do to diminish racism in America, I'd say we're doing as well as or better than most of the western world. Not that that should be the benchmark. But still...
Missouri made national news today: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/12/19987718-rodeo-clown-who-mocked-obama-at-missouri-state-fair-banned-from-performing
Nice. Good thing I don't claim this state as my own. I just live here. Idiots will be idiots anywhere, though. Looked political rather than racial, though (could be both).
It's probably both. I know a little bit about the state of Missouri and that kind of behavior while awful was not shocking to me. Well, keep in mind that Missouri is a rather large state with a not insignificant difference between the northern and southern portions (and east/west, for that matter). It's a relatively conservative state, though, sure.
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jays712
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Aug 13 2013, 06:11 AM
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The guy has owned up to throwing the banana. He said he took it from a vendor cart and tossed it just because he was upset that his team was losing. He feels terrible about it and didn't realize how it came off until he saw it later.
I've been to plenty of baseball games over the years and I've NEVER seen a vendor selling bananas at a stadium. Then again it was in uppity San Fran so maybe they sell them at the games there. Its all cheese steaks, hot dogs, and various other heart attack causing food here at Citizens Bank Park in Philly.
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Aug 13 2013, 09:17 AM
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I wonder what it is about entering a sports stadium that (some) people think allows them to behave in a way they would never consider in any other public setting. Glad to see racism was not the motivation but the thrower still needs to be sanctioned for having thrown something.
I read he picked it up off a catering cart - not from a vendor - so maybe it was on its way to or from the high rent seats? Give me a good soft pretzel any day. They're too good to throw away.
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rw_mlite2
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Aug 13 2013, 10:57 AM
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You know, I kinda figured that it would end up being something like that. If not for European hooligans, this wouldn't have even registered as racist. It doesn't excuse the idiotic behavior of throwing crap onto the field, though, and he should be punished somehow.
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Aug 13 2013, 12:17 PM
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- Aug 12 2013, 11:49 AM
I knew this was going to be about the Giants.
I disagree with your thread title, though. It is not alive and well in the sporting sense. Sure, there are racists everywhere around the world, and plenty live in America, but we have not had a problem with such overt racism in sports in decades. We leave that to Europe.
Ain't it always about my G's? On the specific incident, I'll reserve the hometown right of waiting until the security footage is reviewed before accepting the Jones claim at face value. What's just as significant though is the response that his tweet got. All you have to do is enter any one of the discussions on Yahoo to know that never has a medium been so aptly named. Cowardly yahoos from all over spew out large volumes of racist bile there from the relative safety of their keyboards. As most of these people likely don't engage in the same hateful rhetoric in real life, I think that we must take seriously the notion that there are increasing amounts of closet racists, in fact more than we might want to think. As the middle class of this country is gutted, and the underclass is forced to fight for whatever scraps are left to them, racism will certainly be on the rise here in America just as it has for the last several decades worldwide. The powers that control both the media and the message will subtly and often overtly point out the cause of society's problems - poor people of color.
The idea that some single entity - or several reading from the same script - "control" the media seems to ignore the cacophony of disparate and disputative voices flooding the airwaves and internet these days. The media are less controlled, and less controllable, than they've ever been.
There are now about a half a dozen big media companies left in this era of consolidation, and no conspiracies are required for messages to become homogeneous, and the wisdom carefully crafted to appeal to folks in positions of financial and political power. Fox and MSNBC may shout at one and other, but not over the core issues of importance to the powerful.
From one old guy to another, I think you're still getting your news in pretty traditional ways and are in some danger of assuming everyone else does as well. The blogosphere and twitter are anarchic sources of information and their influence grows consistently. Who reads a newspaper anymore? Where you see consolidation I see splintering, and myriad voices. With regard to television, how much more homogenous was the news business when there were only three networks? I don't get much information at all from either the major networks or the cable news cheerleaders. I'm fortunate enough to have both Link TV and Free Speech TV as part of my Dish Network package, so between the daily dose of Democracy Now and a sprinkling of other lefty propaganda, I get a little closer to the ugly truths about how we are being fleeced and controlled from the top down than folks who depend on mainstream sources of information. I normally only check in on the corporate networks when I am curious as to how they might be spinning or sensationalizing a story that I found elsewhere.
Unfortunately, the numbers of people getting their doses of conventional wisdom from those networks are still huge enough to rule the day when it comes to influence. Alternative forms of info available on the internet have been have been huge in stemming the tide of disinformation and distraction coming from mainstream sources. To add to this, in October, the FCC is putting hundreds of frequencies out there specifically dedicated to programming serving local and diverse interests. So there is hope, but the corporate narrative still dominates the discussion for the most part.
As for media consolidation, the folks at Free Press can inform you better than I about its dangers: http://www.freepress.net/media-consolidation
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