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Topic Started: Oct 15 2013, 11:04 AM (313 Views)
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anelka_henry
Oct 17 2013, 08:21 AM
cruyff_turn
Oct 16 2013, 12:35 PM
anelka_henry
Oct 16 2013, 12:09 PM
I have no problems letting him go even if we have no replacements. Of course, I would feel differently if he was to be played in a slightly advanced role. But that too looks very unlikely now given the re-signing of Flamini.

... and with Brazil around the corner, I think it's best to let him maximize his chances while playing elsewhere. He saved us well when he could and since the WC comes 4 big years after plus how short the life of a footballer is, I think the club should be considerate.
So you'd be fine rolling with no natural back-up CBs? Doesn't sound like a recipe for success.
TV has never been a recipe for success!

So, if "success" is really your concern other than maybe just fulfilling games, surely we have no need for TV...
This takes the biscuit. In a thread full of premature comments on the state of Vermaelen's career... so quite an achievement really.
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Oct 17 2013, 03:28 PM
anelka_henry
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cruyff_turn
Oct 16 2013, 12:35 PM
anelka_henry
Oct 16 2013, 12:09 PM
I have no problems letting him go even if we have no replacements. Of course, I would feel differently if he was to be played in a slightly advanced role. But that too looks very unlikely now given the re-signing of Flamini.

... and with Brazil around the corner, I think it's best to let him maximize his chances while playing elsewhere. He saved us well when he could and since the WC comes 4 big years after plus how short the life of a footballer is, I think the club should be considerate.
So you'd be fine rolling with no natural back-up CBs? Doesn't sound like a recipe for success.
TV has never been a recipe for success!

So, if "success" is really your concern other than maybe just fulfilling games, surely we have no need for TV...
This takes the biscuit. In a thread full of premature comments on the state of Vermaelen's career... so quite an achievement really.
TV was at his best when bombing forward and aiding the attack! Unfortunately, that's not what he was acquired for. His meagre defending capabilities saved us well during a time when the club couldn't or lacked the desire to spend and frankly we didn't enjoy the luxury we have now. So, per the role the gaffer acquired him for, TV was never a recipe for success - we either failed or refused to harness his natural footballing instinct and as such no wonder he's being passed over for any defensive duties.
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anelka_henry
Oct 17 2013, 08:21 AM
cruyff_turn
Oct 16 2013, 12:35 PM
anelka_henry
Oct 16 2013, 12:09 PM
I have no problems letting him go even if we have no replacements. Of course, I would feel differently if he was to be played in a slightly advanced role. But that too looks very unlikely now given the re-signing of Flamini.

... and with Brazil around the corner, I think it's best to let him maximize his chances while playing elsewhere. He saved us well when he could and since the WC comes 4 big years after plus how short the life of a footballer is, I think the club should be considerate.
So you'd be fine rolling with no natural back-up CBs? Doesn't sound like a recipe for success.
TV has never been a recipe for success!

So, if "success" is really your concern other than maybe just fulfilling games, surely we have no need for TV...
All I'm saying is having a back-up CB is better than not having one (especially when you're already thin in said position). How can you argue with that?
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anelka_henry
Oct 18 2013, 09:40 AM
santry_gooner
Oct 17 2013, 03:28 PM
anelka_henry
Oct 17 2013, 08:21 AM
cruyff_turn
Oct 16 2013, 12:35 PM
anelka_henry
Oct 16 2013, 12:09 PM
I have no problems letting him go even if we have no replacements. Of course, I would feel differently if he was to be played in a slightly advanced role. But that too looks very unlikely now given the re-signing of Flamini.

... and with Brazil around the corner, I think it's best to let him maximize his chances while playing elsewhere. He saved us well when he could and since the WC comes 4 big years after plus how short the life of a footballer is, I think the club should be considerate.
So you'd be fine rolling with no natural back-up CBs? Doesn't sound like a recipe for success.
TV has never been a recipe for success!

So, if "success" is really your concern other than maybe just fulfilling games, surely we have no need for TV...
This takes the biscuit. In a thread full of premature comments on the state of Vermaelen's career... so quite an achievement really.
TV was at his best when bombing forward and aiding the attack! Unfortunately, that's not what he was acquired for. His meagre defending capabilities saved us well during a time when the club couldn't or lacked the desire to spend and frankly we didn't enjoy the luxury we have now. So, per the role the gaffer acquired him for, TV was never a recipe for success - we either failed or refused to harness his natural footballing instinct and as such no wonder he's being passed over for any defensive duties.
TV was at his best (as a defender) when he had a pacy partner who could snuff out danger behind him (William Gallas). This allowed him to do what he does best as a defender, pressure CFs and win the ball high up the pitch, both on the ground and in the air. Neither Koscielny or Mertesacker are ideal partners for such a player. Kos because he's too similar (just better), and Mertesacker because he's too slow.
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Players learn new positions in every sport, even football. Verm neither reads the game like Mert nor tackles as well (most of the time) as Koscielny, so if they remain healthy, he's sticking to the pine. I've always thought he would be better deployed at DM. Yeah, I know Flamaretaartini and all that, but I'd love to see Wenger throw him out there in a cup match to see what he could do.

Without saying it in so many words, Wenger would need to tell the rest of the team that Verm isn't exactly a chess master out there, so they'll need to give him cover at times as he flies about the midfield and occasionally does a Roberto Carlos impersonation.
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I think Vermaelen as a DM is a pipe dream. His passing, technique, and positional nous are not at the required level.
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cruyff_turn
Oct 18 2013, 11:47 AM
I think Vermaelen as a DM is a pipe dream. His passing, technique, and positional nous are not at the required level.
You would definitely need one hell of a holding mid to run alongside him. Yes, I dreamed this up, but it's way too early for the pipe.
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Oct 18 2013, 11:49 AM
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Oct 18 2013, 11:47 AM
I think Vermaelen as a DM is a pipe dream. His passing, technique, and positional nous are not at the required level.
You would definitely need one hell of a holding mid to run alongside him. Yes, I dreamed this up, but it's way too early for the pipe.
Would rather see the experiment tried than pronounced a failure beforehand.
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A_H, I wouldn't mind us letting Vermaelen go, although I think he is a good defender. Sagna is not a bad backup but we'd still need to get a young CB in who can be 4th choice and learn from his experienced teammates.


Cruyff, I disagree that Koscielny and Vermaelen are too similiar. Koscielny has always been more of a sweeper, while Vermaelen like to push up and win the ball early.
Unfortunately Vermaelen tends to struggle against physical strikers and last season he was an accident waiting to happen (he's better than his form last season).
Kos and Verm can play together but without Mertesacker we do miss his leadership.
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dsch15
Oct 18 2013, 12:17 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Oct 18 2013, 11:49 AM
cruyff_turn
Oct 18 2013, 11:47 AM
I think Vermaelen as a DM is a pipe dream. His passing, technique, and positional nous are not at the required level.
You would definitely need one hell of a holding mid to run alongside him. Yes, I dreamed this up, but it's way too early for the pipe.
Would rather see the experiment tried than pronounced a failure beforehand.
There's probably a good reason it hasn't been tried, even in pre-season friendlies.

Just because a defender can make forward runs and score goals and make decent passes from the back doesn't mean he can play in midfield. It's a different prospect altogether.
Your feet have to be much quicker, your touch much surer, and most importantly you need to be able to run around for 90 minutes.

I remember Wenger saying he didn't play Kolo in midfield because he didn't have the stamina for it. He was more built for short bursts of energy rather than continuous, steady running.
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