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To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
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Oct 18 2013, 03:31 PM
To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
I'm not going to decry your reasoning as illogical because it sounds perfectly legit to me but at the same please do accept and acknowledge that there are just too many countries in Africa for a 4-yr rotation given there can only be one winner!

If we use that logic, per se, Europe should hold it's tournament 10+ years after, CONCACAF, maybe 15! You see what I'm getting at?
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Oct 18 2013, 03:41 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Oct 18 2013, 03:31 PM
To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
I'm not going to decry your reasoning as illogical because it sounds perfectly legit to me but at the same please do accept and acknowledge that there are just too many countries in Africa for a 4-yr rotation given there can only be one winner!

If we use that logic, per se, Europe should hold it's tournament 10+ years after, CONCACAF, maybe 15! You see what I'm getting at?
At the risk of sounding like the mighty European American telling Africa how to do things, between the installation of a seeding system that sees the top nations entering the competition in later rounds and more knockout and less group competition, we could get the ACN down to the more "logical" every four years.
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Oct 18 2013, 03:31 PM
To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
Inappropriate? Perhaps. But isn't that what's being implied by certain poster(s) here? Besides, if anyone on here actually believes that I'm actually a racist (there, I said if for you a_h, you coward), then that's their problem, not mine. Not that I have a damn thing to prove, but I feel my posts since I joined the old forum have painted me as anything but. If anything, posters like a_h have shown their disdain towards Americans more than anything.
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Oct 18 2013, 03:41 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Oct 18 2013, 03:31 PM
To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
I'm not going to decry your reasoning as illogical because it sounds perfectly legit to me but at the same please do accept and acknowledge that there are just too many countries in Africa for a 4-yr rotation given there can only be one winner!

If we use that logic, per se, Europe should hold it's tournament 10+ years after, CONCACAF, maybe 15! You see what I'm getting at?
There are something like 212 member nations of FIFA and, somehow, it manages to make do with a quadrennial event.
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Oct 18 2013, 04:02 PM
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Oct 18 2013, 03:41 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Oct 18 2013, 03:31 PM
To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
I'm not going to decry your reasoning as illogical because it sounds perfectly legit to me but at the same please do accept and acknowledge that there are just too many countries in Africa for a 4-yr rotation given there can only be one winner!

If we use that logic, per se, Europe should hold it's tournament 10+ years after, CONCACAF, maybe 15! You see what I'm getting at?
At the risk of sounding like the mighty European American telling Africa how to do things, between the installation of a seeding system that sees the top nations entering the competition in later rounds and more knockout and less group competition, we could get the ACN down to the more "logical" every four years.
Exactly. And CONCACAF (which has 41 members, btw, a_h), should also go to every 4.
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Oct 18 2013, 04:15 PM
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Oct 18 2013, 03:41 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Oct 18 2013, 03:31 PM
To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
I'm not going to decry your reasoning as illogical because it sounds perfectly legit to me but at the same please do accept and acknowledge that there are just too many countries in Africa for a 4-yr rotation given there can only be one winner!

If we use that logic, per se, Europe should hold it's tournament 10+ years after, CONCACAF, maybe 15! You see what I'm getting at?
There are something like 212 member nations of FIFA and, somehow, it manages to make do with a quadrennial event.
You are missing the point here, emphasis on the world: it affects every continent equally. Continental tournaments are different because they are regional!
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Oct 18 2013, 07:17 PM
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Oct 18 2013, 04:15 PM
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Oct 18 2013, 03:41 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Oct 18 2013, 03:31 PM
To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
I'm not going to decry your reasoning as illogical because it sounds perfectly legit to me but at the same please do accept and acknowledge that there are just too many countries in Africa for a 4-yr rotation given there can only be one winner!

If we use that logic, per se, Europe should hold it's tournament 10+ years after, CONCACAF, maybe 15! You see what I'm getting at?
There are something like 212 member nations of FIFA and, somehow, it manages to make do with a quadrennial event.
You are missing the point here, emphasis on the world: it affects every continent equally. Continental tournaments are different because they are regional!
Or you missed the point to which I was responding.

You said there are too many countries in Africa for a four year rotation given there can only be one winner. I was pointing out that a tournament with four times as many teams is able to manage once every four years. Given that, there's no reason the ACN couldn't mirror the Euros in their scheduling.

Incidentally, there are 54 nations in the CAF. Coincidentally, that's the same number of member nations in UEFA.
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Oct 18 2013, 04:10 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Oct 18 2013, 03:31 PM
To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
Inappropriate? Perhaps. But isn't that what's being implied by certain poster(s) here? Besides, if anyone on here actually believes that I'm actually a racist (there, I said if for you a_h, you coward), then that's their problem, not mine. Not that I have a damn thing to prove, but I feel my posts since I joined the old forum have painted me as anything but. If anything, posters like a_h have shown their disdain towards Americans more than anything.
So you are resorting to name calling, nice try, I must have hit a nerve there!

..but honestly, NO, I don't consider you a racist, far from it, in fact I don't care about your racial biases or none thereof. What I meant is the majority of the time you respond, and not just to my posts, you almost always mix the proper response per the subject at hand with some asinine comment like the one above. What it does is it dilutes the intent of your response but it's not my place to tell you this, I reckon you are smart enough to figure it yourself.

Now, I fail to see the correlation between you being American and me taking offense to that 'comment' to me showing disdain for Americans. It seems I actually gave you more credit than you deserve. Dude, you are an individual and it's you the individual (not Americans) I should be accused of showing disdain for, if at all!
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Oct 18 2013, 07:29 PM
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Oct 18 2013, 07:17 PM
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Oct 18 2013, 04:15 PM
anelka_henry
Oct 18 2013, 03:41 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Oct 18 2013, 03:31 PM
To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.

To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
I'm not going to decry your reasoning as illogical because it sounds perfectly legit to me but at the same please do accept and acknowledge that there are just too many countries in Africa for a 4-yr rotation given there can only be one winner!

If we use that logic, per se, Europe should hold it's tournament 10+ years after, CONCACAF, maybe 15! You see what I'm getting at?
There are something like 212 member nations of FIFA and, somehow, it manages to make do with a quadrennial event.
You are missing the point here, emphasis on the world: it affects every continent equally. Continental tournaments are different because they are regional!
Or you missed the point to which I was responding.

You said there are too many countries in Africa for a four year rotation given there can only be one winner. I was pointing out that a tournament with four times as many teams is able to manage once every four years. Given that, there's no reason the ACN couldn't mirror the Euros in their scheduling.

Incidentally, there are 54 nations in the CAF. Coincidentally, that's the same number of member nations in UEFA.
Actually, NO, I got your premise the very first time I read it. What you are trying to do is put the World at large at the same footing with Continents! The merits for the WC are totally different to those of continental cups. The tournaments are there to serve different markets and as such are under the auspices of different regimes. There is a reason even FIFA itself conceded to such,... there is need to serve the needs of that segment appropriately, or as they say at grassroots level.
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