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Topic Started: Oct 16 2013, 02:36 AM (1,070 Views)
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JustOneDennisBergkamp
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Oct 18 2013, 09:28 PM
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To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.
To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
I'm not going to decry your reasoning as illogical because it sounds perfectly legit to me but at the same please do accept and acknowledge that there are just too many countries in Africa for a 4-yr rotation given there can only be one winner! If we use that logic, per se, Europe should hold it's tournament 10+ years after, CONCACAF, maybe 15! You see what I'm getting at?
There are something like 212 member nations of FIFA and, somehow, it manages to make do with a quadrennial event.
You are missing the point here, emphasis on the world: it affects every continent equally. Continental tournaments are different because they are regional!
Or you missed the point to which I was responding. You said there are too many countries in Africa for a four year rotation given there can only be one winner. I was pointing out that a tournament with four times as many teams is able to manage once every four years. Given that, there's no reason the ACN couldn't mirror the Euros in their scheduling. Incidentally, there are 54 nations in the CAF. Coincidentally, that's the same number of member nations in UEFA.
Actually, NO, I got your premise the very first time I read it. What you are trying to do is put the World at large at the same footing with Continents! The merits for the WC are totally different to those of continental cups. The tournaments are there to serve different markets and as such are under the auspices of different regimes. There is a reason even FIFA itself conceded to such,... there is need to serve the needs of that segment appropriately, or as they say at grassroots level. So how is it that Africa benefits from going every two years with the ACN?
It is actually quite a compliment to African football that many feel it is important to conform with the UEFA schedule of every four years. No one really gives a fuck about the CONCACAF Gold Cup being held every two years, because the top players, who there aren't that many of, don't come in until the end of the tournament. Africa has players at top clubs in top leagues throughout Europe, and those players are sorely missed in the middle of the season.
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dsch15
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Oct 18 2013, 10:15 PM
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To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.
To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
I'm not going to decry your reasoning as illogical because it sounds perfectly legit to me but at the same please do accept and acknowledge that there are just too many countries in Africa for a 4-yr rotation given there can only be one winner! If we use that logic, per se, Europe should hold it's tournament 10+ years after, CONCACAF, maybe 15! You see what I'm getting at?
There are something like 212 member nations of FIFA and, somehow, it manages to make do with a quadrennial event.
You are missing the point here, emphasis on the world: it affects every continent equally. Continental tournaments are different because they are regional!
Or you missed the point to which I was responding. You said there are too many countries in Africa for a four year rotation given there can only be one winner. I was pointing out that a tournament with four times as many teams is able to manage once every four years. Given that, there's no reason the ACN couldn't mirror the Euros in their scheduling. Incidentally, there are 54 nations in the CAF. Coincidentally, that's the same number of member nations in UEFA.
Actually, NO, I got your premise the very first time I read it. What you are trying to do is put the World at large at the same footing with Continents! The merits for the WC are totally different to those of continental cups. The tournaments are there to serve different markets and as such are under the auspices of different regimes. There is a reason even FIFA itself conceded to such,... there is need to serve the needs of that segment appropriately, or as they say at grassroots level. Strike two.
All I was addressing in my initial and follow up comments was that the number of competing nations was no justification for holding the tournament bi-annually.
Leave the World Cup out of it if that's confusing the issue. The Euros are held every four years with the same number of countries.
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Oct 19 2013, 01:23 AM
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This board can descend into farce and this thread is an example. There's a really very clear effort here to make anything African a "no go" area, and that includes people with just, fair and unbiased credentials. I don't need to mention the instances in the past where this has also occurred.
Now, regarding the CAF. The tournament is a bit of a joke among most football fans for the principal reason that commercial interests have taken over and want to milk the bi-annual frequency. The tournament was initially set every two years as there was an element of "catch up" going on in the seventies and eighties when Cameroon and Nigeria became great. I have no problem with that. Once players started to be spotted by European leagues another of the objectives was achieved. No problem with that either. With those reasons now gone there is no reason based on scale that it should be held more frequently (UEFA 54 nations; CAF 52).
There was an effort to pull it back to every four years within FIFA. I can't remember all the details, but I think the idea was that all continents would play their respective trophies the same year, but not at the same time. However, all of Septic Bladder's corrupt African, French and Arabic mates killed it. That's an evolving story: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/oct/24/corruption-african-football-fifa
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Oct 20 2013, 09:26 AM
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To AH and rw - The response "It's because we all hate Africa and Africans. Duh." may have been an inappropriate bit of sarcasm for such a serious discussion, but I am confident that the word "hate" was chosen for effect and is not reflective of the mindset of our man in KC.
To the issue of players away on international duty for African nations, again, I see no one decrying players away for WC qualifying. But with all the demands on players at the club and national level, every two years is indeed too frequent for the ACN.
Inappropriate? Perhaps. But isn't that what's being implied by certain poster(s) here? Besides, if anyone on here actually believes that I'm actually a racist (there, I said if for you a_h, you coward), then that's their problem, not mine. Not that I have a damn thing to prove, but I feel my posts since I joined the old forum have painted me as anything but. If anything, posters like a_h have shown their disdain towards Americans more than anything.
So you are resorting to name calling, nice try, I must have hit a nerve there! ..but honestly, NO, I don't consider you a racist, far from it, in fact I don't care about your racial biases or none thereof. What I meant is the majority of the time you respond, and not just to my posts, you almost always mix the proper response per the subject at hand with some asinine comment like the one above. What it does is it dilutes the intent of your response but it's not my place to tell you this, I reckon you are smart enough to figure it yourself. Now, I fail to see the correlation between you being American and me taking offense to that 'comment' to me showing disdain for Americans. It seems I actually gave you more credit than you deserve. Dude, you are an individual and it's you the individual (not Americans) I should be accused of showing disdain for, if at all! Well, my apologies if I misinterpreted what your problem with me is. But, of course, that points to one of your problems on this board: the inability to just come out and say what you mean. Instead, you dance around your intentions with vagueties and word mazes.
As for my comment about your disdain for Americans, it's not what you've said in this thread, but what you've said over the course of your time posting here (and ESPN). Just a couple weeks ago, on the WC thread that jays started, you made a comment about how Western countries (which implies the USA) are only using the Qatar slavery issue because they (US) was spurned by FIFA in awarding the WC.
Regardless, I'm ready to move on if you are. No point in continuing to muck up this thread any longer.
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Oct 21 2013, 03:37 AM
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I sure am glad that Ozil is not african . Everytime our players go for the ACN , we get back damaged goods. Gervinho missed a penalty irrc and lost the final , came back always a shadow of himself. He is already not THAT good . He became even worse.
Kolo went there , contracted Malaria, ate too much bbq and became a fat boy. Maybe he got kidnapped there and his non footballing twin came back to us.
We got not much luck with Africans in our team. except for maybe kolo . the thin fit one who was part of the invincibles . Not the fat quarrelsome one who cannot get along with Gutless.
Eboue started off like a blockbuster then became comic relief and then finally ended a tragedy .
Song , can't stop jogging around . And left for Baka , almost came to blows with Bould.
Adebayor ............well............he is not nicknamed Acheebywhore for nothing.
Unless they do a Drogba/ Essien , week in week out. I wouldn't mind Africans on our team.
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