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KamyFC
Oct 23 2013, 03:48 AM
phatosas
Oct 22 2013, 07:28 PM
gunnerjunkie
Oct 22 2013, 07:13 PM
The difference between the two teams was the midfield.When Dortmund lost possession they showed urgency by being back in numbers.We just dawdled when we lost possession.
I think we are caught between being a pressing team and sitting back to soak up pressure. At the start of the second half we allowed them come at us and looked fairly comfortable. When they eventually scored, it came from a situation when our players were far up the pitch and then we really needed to gamble and press to prevent the break from developing.

Overall I dont think we put in a good shift defensively and part of the blame goes to Wenger. We look venerable defensively at the left back position as Dortmund full back bombed forward with no one picking him up but was not able to deliver a decent ball. That is something that had to be rectified, because their fullback Kevin Grosskreutz had at least 5 crosses where he was left unmarked but just didnt deliver a good ball. Imagine if that was a world class fullback like Alves at his prime afforded that amount of time and space. I also question why Sagna was also too far forward on the goal, we cant have both full backs bombing forward at the same time.
Dont understand how Wenger is at fault here?

He went for a win, we were at home and we were passing them off the park in the second half. Yes, we conceded a goal in a naive manner.

People would say we had failed our first major test of the season. The far more rational, and realistic view, is that we eere unfortunate to lose 2-1 to one of Europe's best teams.

We missed Flamini. Simple. His ability to shield the back four, take up crucial positions, might have prevented the two soft Dortmund goals.
One thing we learnt is that this team needs a defensive midfielder. Al this talk that pure defensive midfielders dont exist anymore is way off.

Also we need to learn how to play against teams who press like this. For 20 minutes Dortmund were a pressing machine, relentlessly hunting us in possession and denying us any room to play the passing game. If i remember even Villa played like that in our first game and we had no Flamini.

If we can get our good players back and have Flamini, am still confident we can get a result at Dortmund. All is not lost.
no I don't think we need any defensive midfielder, the main problem in that game was Arsenal failure to score more than one goal, and one of the reason is because ozil spent the whole game, hugging the touchline on the right wing, we need some of our wide players back to provide width, too many CAM out there on the pitch.
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tallsmile28
Oct 22 2013, 08:06 PM
This was a game where I feel once we scored to tie the game, after 70 minutes we should have [arked the bus and played for a draw. We were getting dominated out there. We missed Flamini.
I didn't see it that way at all. When Dortmund got the winner, we were clearly bossing the game and looked fairly comfortable in defense. Dortmund are gonna create chances during any match because they are a very good team with one of the world's best strikers. Even saying that, Dortmund created little in the way of real chances on our goal.

As far as parking the bus, I completely disagree. No way you play for a tie at home. A bit different if this was an away match.
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Oct 22 2013, 06:45 PM
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Oct 22 2013, 05:37 PM
So,..... now that we have faced real competition, what are people's opinions of this team?
My opinion of the team even before this game has always been we are not dominating teams enough, the 'champagne' thing might sound as a joke of an argument. The bottom line is, so far this season we've just been efficient and that's due to ozil and co without really creating a lot of clear cut chances. I saw the Norwich game yes 4 beautiful goals, but I expect an Arsenal team to completely annihilate Norwich. This is just not restricted to the norwich game, we had the swansea,sunderland,stoke and fulham game where we didn't create a lot of clear cut chances, we created a few and that was enough. Against a top opposition it won't be enough
I don't know which way you want it dream. We've screamed for so long about how inefficient we've been with our scoring chances and how all our possession and passing equaled little in terms of scoring. Now that we're suddenly more efficient with our chances, although with less overall possession, you're still complaining.

Think of all the times when we bossed matches against ManU, and especially against Chelsea, only to see them turn their only 2-3 chances all match into goals and we lose. It was maddening. Is that what you want to return to? I say fuck that. Give me killer efficiency in front of goal any day over pinging the ball around and trying to walk the ball in the net and never having it happen.
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We always knew it was going to be a tough task against Dortmund, especially with the attrition in our ranks. We really missed Theo as he would have afforded us a lot more space in the middle third with his running. Let's hope his injury setback is a very minor one. Can't afford to play without him for much longer.

Ramsey's worst game this season, but he was still quite creative with his dribbling and running. Ozil did an admirable job providing the width we needed.

I can't help but feel we were a bit too gung-ho at the end. Also can't help but feel that Flamini would have been covering for Sagna and tracked Lewy's run to the far post.
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jays712
Oct 23 2013, 07:34 AM
dream_team
Oct 22 2013, 06:45 PM
anelka_henry
Oct 22 2013, 05:37 PM
So,..... now that we have faced real competition, what are people's opinions of this team?
My opinion of the team even before this game has always been we are not dominating teams enough, the 'champagne' thing might sound as a joke of an argument. The bottom line is, so far this season we've just been efficient and that's due to ozil and co without really creating a lot of clear cut chances. I saw the Norwich game yes 4 beautiful goals, but I expect an Arsenal team to completely annihilate Norwich. This is just not restricted to the norwich game, we had the swansea,sunderland,stoke and fulham game where we didn't create a lot of clear cut chances, we created a few and that was enough. Against a top opposition it won't be enough
I don't know which way you want it dream. We've screamed for so long about how inefficient we've been with our scoring chances and how all our possession and passing equaled little in terms of scoring. Now that we're suddenly more efficient with our chances, although with less overall possession, you're still complaining.

Think of all the times when we bossed matches against ManU, and especially against Chelsea, only to see them turn their only 2-3 chances all match into goals and we lose. It was maddening. Is that what you want to return to? I say fuck that. Give me killer efficiency in front of goal any day over pinging the ball around and trying to walk the ball in the net and never having it happen.
no in those games in those days especially against chelsea we didn't really 'boss' the game, we always had the most possession without actually creating clear cut chances , that's why we always struggle to even score one goal against Mourinho's chelsea. Anywyas that's a debate for another day.

Yes you might call this efficiency but I doubt it will be enough against a top side with a solid defence. Come to think of it we were very conservative in this game and didn't really threaten Dortmund's goal UNTIL we started pushing men forward, had we commited more men forward from the start we might have scored 2 or 3 goals. The bottom line is with the playing personnel we currently have, if we continue this conservative game, we'll score goals against the crystal palace and sunderland of this world, but when we face the top sides like Chelsea and Man city, and the european big boys like bayern, barca etc we'll score one goal MAX.
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cruyff_turn
Oct 23 2013, 09:29 AM
We always knew it was going to be a tough task against Dortmund, especially with the attrition in our ranks. We really missed Theo as he would have afforded us a lot more space in the middle third with his running. Let's hope his injury setback is a very minor one. Can't afford to play without him for much longer.

Ramsey's worst game this season, but he was still quite creative with his dribbling and running. Ozil did an admirable job providing the width we needed.

I can't help but feel we were a bit too gung-ho at the end. Also can't help but feel that Flamini would have been covering for Sagna and tracked Lewy's run to the far post.
Agreed. I also don't think that some of the fans here are giving enough credit to Drotmund. They are a seasoned and talented team. They went all the way to the CL final last year after comprehensively beating Madrid in the semis? Dare I say that they have a better team than Arsenal.
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By the numbers: http://news.arseblog.com/2013/10/arsenal-1-2-borussia-dortmund-by-the-numbers/

Wow, Arteta had a terrific game. Wilshere...not so much.
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Oct 23 2013, 10:08 AM
cruyff_turn
Oct 23 2013, 09:29 AM
We always knew it was going to be a tough task against Dortmund, especially with the attrition in our ranks. We really missed Theo as he would have afforded us a lot more space in the middle third with his running. Let's hope his injury setback is a very minor one. Can't afford to play without him for much longer.

Ramsey's worst game this season, but he was still quite creative with his dribbling and running. Ozil did an admirable job providing the width we needed.

I can't help but feel we were a bit too gung-ho at the end. Also can't help but feel that Flamini would have been covering for Sagna and tracked Lewy's run to the far post.
Agreed. I also don't think that some of the fans here are giving enough credit to Drotmund. They are a seasoned and talented team. They went all the way to the CL final last year after comprehensively beating Madrid in the semis? Dare I say that they have a better team than Arsenal.
They're definitely better when we're missing Flamini, Theo, Poldi, and Ox. Of course they were missing Gundogan too, a massive player for them.
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Frustrating loss for sure. Very naive on the game winner. Who the hell was covering for Sagna? And I question why we were bombing so many numbers forward at that point anyway. I don't care if we had the momentum at that time and were playing at home. The goal proved how dangerous a game that is. And wtf, Ramsey? I knew from the moment he started to dribble that something bad was going to happen.
Oh well, nothing to do but move on. Let's hope this doesn't cost us in the end.
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cruyff_turn
Oct 23 2013, 10:09 AM
By the numbers: http://news.arseblog.com/2013/10/arsenal-1-2-borussia-dortmund-by-the-numbers/

Wow, Arteta had a terrific game. Wilshere...not so much.
11 tackles by Arteta, along with his usual composure in possession and intelligent distribution. Many have commented that missing Flamini hurt us, but assuming he is included in the game in Germany it should not be at the captain's expense.
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