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Topic Started: Oct 22 2013, 10:10 AM (3,331 Views)
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phatosas
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Oct 24 2013, 04:49 AM
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I just wonder whether going for a win and being a bit cautious in attack are mutually exclusive. I think from the 70th minute mark the ball was in Arsenal court. We had control of the game and could easily have passed the ball between our defenders and gotten a draw if that is what we wanted. On the other hand we could have gone forward without neccesarily taking the amount of risk that consequently led to the goal. At the end of the day there is no fool proof way that would 100% guarantee that we wouldnt concede a goal but we clearly could have done better.
I still believe that if we want to win the second leg, we really have to double on the left back position to prevent their right back from seeing as much space even if it means sacrificing some of our offesive play. We have to play wide and to that end we really missed the players we have injured at the moment.
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Oct 24 2013, 07:58 AM
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- supercollider7
- Oct 23 2013, 09:19 PM
- dream_team
- Oct 23 2013, 01:46 PM
- Gooner0893
- Oct 23 2013, 10:08 AM
- cruyff_turn
- Oct 23 2013, 09:29 AM
We always knew it was going to be a tough task against Dortmund, especially with the attrition in our ranks. We really missed Theo as he would have afforded us a lot more space in the middle third with his running. Let's hope his injury setback is a very minor one. Can't afford to play without him for much longer.
Ramsey's worst game this season, but he was still quite creative with his dribbling and running. Ozil did an admirable job providing the width we needed.
I can't help but feel we were a bit too gung-ho at the end. Also can't help but feel that Flamini would have been covering for Sagna and tracked Lewy's run to the far post.
Agreed. I also don't think that some of the fans here are giving enough credit to Drotmund. They are a seasoned and talented team. They went all the way to the CL final last year after comprehensively beating Madrid in the semis? Dare I say that they have a better team than Arsenal.
NO SIR, I'll say man for man we have a slightly better team(starting 11), we have a much better squad, it's just that klopp MAY just be smarter than Wenger.
Hahaha what? So the worse manager has somehow put together a better team which hasn't been performing as well as the worse team. Got it. Klopp has done an amazing job and Dortmund are a really good team. One of the best in the world. They were CL finalists and beat Bayern to 2 BL titles recently. Not a joke. We may be doing well right now but we haven't done anything to prove we're as good or even better than this team. And the team we're playing right now is just so slow and unbalanced because of the lack of wingers. I'm sure we'll improve though. But yeah, it was a great game between two great teams. Klopp may even be the "smarter" manager but the fact that you're comparing Wenger to the best shows how much you rate the old geezer. It's like your Schweinsteiger and Xavi are better than Arteta comments. maybe I should explain further 1v1 we have better players plus we have a more expensive team, and on paper we should be beating dortmund comfortably, I don't think its that a big compliment to compare Wenger to a coach 18 years younger than him.
Anyways the main point I'm trying to pass across is looking at individual players this dortmund team won't even rank among the top ten in the world, they just happen to have a great coach. And their squad depth is even worse compared to a lot of big teams in europe. Why do you think they finished like 20 points behind bayern last season, and only a couple of points above leverkusen.?
I've never said Wenger isn't a good coach, infact you can call him a very good coach he just happen to be waaayyyyyy overrated around here and makes TOO MANY bad decisions.
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Oct 24 2013, 10:17 AM
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- phatosas
- Oct 24 2013, 04:49 AM
I just wonder whether going for a win and being a bit cautious in attack are mutually exclusive. I think from the 70th minute mark the ball was in Arsenal court. We had control of the game and could easily have passed the ball between our defenders and gotten a draw if that is what we wanted. On the other hand we could have gone forward without neccesarily taking the amount of risk that consequently led to the goal. At the end of the day there is no fool proof way that would 100% guarantee that we wouldnt concede a goal but we clearly could have done better.
I still believe that if we want to win the second leg, we really have to double on the left back position to prevent their right back from seeing as much space even if it means sacrificing some of our offesive play. We have to play wide and to that end we really missed the players we have injured at the moment. Yeah, I think if we wanted to, we could've played a more defensive game and just ended up as a draw. Dortmund were running out of energy. Maybe Wenger, in hindsight, would've told his team to sit back and take the result.
But when you're so on top and getting closer and closer to a goal you can't just give up on the 3 points.
The onus in this situation is on the team to use their experience and do their jobs tactically. We lost our defensive focus in search of a goal and that cost us.
For me the game brought back bad memories of a few years ago when we'd play United or Chelsea, outplay them for most of the match, but then get hit on the counter trying to win the match. Or make a stupid mistake and play catch up for the rest of the game.
Hopefully we haven't reverted back to that. Hopefully this was a good reminder to keep our feet on the ground and do our job more professionally in the big games.
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Oct 24 2013, 10:25 AM
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- phatosas
- Oct 24 2013, 04:49 AM
I still believe that if we want to win the second leg, we really have to double on the left back position to prevent their right back from seeing as much space even if it means sacrificing some of our offesive play. We have to play wide and to that end we really missed the players we have injured at the moment. Something to think about here, if we have Walcott back for that match he'll be able to press Schmelzer and we won't be so open on both sides. Maybe Ozil can drift to the left and allow whoever we have on that flank to play a bit more conservatively. Kieran Gibbs deserves a lot of credit for basically manning the entire flank on his own but as we saw for Dortmund's second goal, just one mistake from him and we're burned.
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East German Gooner
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Oct 24 2013, 10:57 AM
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- gunnerjunkie
- Oct 23 2013, 12:20 AM
- East German Gooner
- Oct 22 2013, 10:25 PM
I don't even want to think about next Tuesday when our kids play Chelsea. We will lose 8 - 2. Bring back the rubbish bags and cover the Emirates seats with them and save one to cover Wenger's head.
Ich habe keine lust.Mir ist kalt,so kalt.That's what losses do to diehards.You'll be ok in the morning mein kumpel,albeit with a hangover. Gunner until you die. Vielen Dank für diese. Sie sind wirklich ein Freund. Arsenal forever!!!
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East German Gooner
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Oct 24 2013, 11:28 AM
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- KamyFC
- Oct 23 2013, 03:09 AM
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- Oct 22 2013, 10:18 PM
We will not win this group. That was a costly goal from the Pole. Even if we are lucky enough to finish second, our Round of 16 opponents would be 5 possibilities: Barca/Real/PSG/Bayern and Athletico Madrid. We will have NO CHANCE with the first 4 opponents. I am so fucking sick of losing to either Barca or Bayern every fucking season. Different movie but same fucking scripts from Wenger every season
Dream - Feeling better after a Beer and a nights sleep!? You'll be fine  Thanks Kamy, you are always my pal. I love reading your posts. I'm not fuming anymore after 44 hours but really really disappointed. Before I am buried 6 feet under, I would really want to see my Arsenal winning the ultimate trophy in football. I really don't think Wenger will ever win it for us and here he is poised to sign another extension after failing to win it after 17 attempts. He can produce 3 consecutive invincible league winning teams and go 94 games unbeaten but before the acheivement of winning the CL, he is not in the same league as Heynckes, Guardiola, Mourinho and Ferguson. Why not taking a chance on a guy like Klopp? Especially if we go trophyless again this season (we are almost half way there with CL and League Cup evaporating) and making it almost a decade without winning anything. I would love to see Wenger proving me wrong and I'm praying every day that he is the man to win this competition for Arsenal. So far it's just disappontments after disappoitments. Not even if we slaugher Palace this weekend with 6 Wilshere Norwich like goals would erase my disappointment from Tuesday night. I just get reminded every season that we are just simply not good enough to win the CL ever.
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Oct 24 2013, 11:43 AM
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We will not win this group. That was a costly goal from the Pole. Even if we are lucky enough to finish second, our Round of 16 opponents would be 5 possibilities: Barca/Real/PSG/Bayern and Athletico Madrid. We will have NO CHANCE with the first 4 opponents. I am so fucking sick of losing to either Barca or Bayern every fucking season. Different movie but same fucking scripts from Wenger every season
Dream - Feeling better after a Beer and a nights sleep!? You'll be fine 
Thanks Kamy, you are always my pal. I love reading your posts. I'm not fuming anymore after 44 hours but really really disappointed. Before I am buried 6 feet under, I would really want to see my Arsenal winning the ultimate trophy in football. I really don't think Wenger will ever win it for us and here he is poised to sign another extension after failing to win it after 17 attempts. He can produce 3 consecutive invincible league winning teams and go 94 games unbeaten but before the acheivement of winning the CL, he is not in the same league as Heynckes, Guardiola, Mourinho and Ferguson. Why not taking a chance on a guy like Klopp? Especially if we go trophyless again this season (we are almost half way there with CL and League Cup evaporating) and making it almost a decade without winning anything. I would love to see Wenger proving me wrong and I'm praying every day that he is the man to win this competition for Arsenal. So far it's just disappontments after disappoitments. Not even if we slaugher Palace this weekend with 6 Wilshere Norwich like goals would erase my disappointment from Tuesday night. I just get reminded every season that we are just simply not good enough to win the CL ever. Step away from the ledge, bro. I'm still bullish on our chances of advancing from this group, and if we do, we'll have been much better for the experience come the knockout stages.
Also, I wouldn't be so sure Wenger is going to extend his contract. This season may be the end of the road for him (I hope it's not). If the club does part ways with him, I'm sure Klopp would be near the top of their list.
But if Wenger continues, I think you can expect him to continue building a side that is capable of winning the CL. It's practically the only thing missing from his CV.
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Oct 24 2013, 11:49 AM
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- JustOneDennisBergkamp
- Oct 22 2013, 11:40 PM
East German Gooner, You're a pal, but your overreaction is now bordering on meltdown.
All is well, JODB In your honor, I will try to not to have another rampage like this. I can't guarantee it won't happen in 13 days when we play in Germany. I really hope DSCH is right about us having a chance there to win (a must win if we want to top the group to avoid Barca or Real the next round). Otherwise it will be $%&** Wenger again when we lose 3-1 there. Anyway thanks as always my Northern Cal pal.
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Oct 24 2013, 12:01 PM
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CL Dream! My LA friend! Winning the CL. Its a dream all right. But my heart will stay with this team and wont give up on the CL, especially if Wenger buys a decent backup striker this winter and our players don't fall like flies with injuries.
But by head says that CL this year would be a step too far for this team.
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East German Gooner
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Oct 24 2013, 12:23 PM
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- cruyff_turn
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- East German Gooner
- Oct 22 2013, 10:18 PM
We will not win this group. That was a costly goal from the Pole. Even if we are lucky enough to finish second, our Round of 16 opponents would be 5 possibilities: Barca/Real/PSG/Bayern and Athletico Madrid. We will have NO CHANCE with the first 4 opponents. I am so fucking sick of losing to either Barca or Bayern every fucking season. Different movie but same fucking scripts from Wenger every season
Dream - Feeling better after a Beer and a nights sleep!? You'll be fine 
Thanks Kamy, you are always my pal. I love reading your posts. I'm not fuming anymore after 44 hours but really really disappointed. Before I am buried 6 feet under, I would really want to see my Arsenal winning the ultimate trophy in football. I really don't think Wenger will ever win it for us and here he is poised to sign another extension after failing to win it after 17 attempts. He can produce 3 consecutive invincible league winning teams and go 94 games unbeaten but before the acheivement of winning the CL, he is not in the same league as Heynckes, Guardiola, Mourinho and Ferguson. Why not taking a chance on a guy like Klopp? Especially if we go trophyless again this season (we are almost half way there with CL and League Cup evaporating) and making it almost a decade without winning anything. I would love to see Wenger proving me wrong and I'm praying every day that he is the man to win this competition for Arsenal. So far it's just disappontments after disappoitments. Not even if we slaugher Palace this weekend with 6 Wilshere Norwich like goals would erase my disappointment from Tuesday night. I just get reminded every season that we are just simply not good enough to win the CL ever.
Step away from the ledge, bro. I'm still bullish on our chances of advancing from this group, and if we do, we'll have been much better for the experience come the knockout stages. Also, I wouldn't be so sure Wenger is going to extend his contract. This season may be the end of the road for him (I hope it's not). If the club does part ways with him, I'm sure Klopp would be near the top of their list. But if Wenger continues, I think you can expect him to continue building a side that is capable of winning the CL. It's practically the only thing missing from his CV. Thanks Bro. I didn't mean to trivialize Wenger's 49 games unbeaten record. I'm just frustrated and I hope you are right about our chances this season to win the CL as I'm not confident at all. As a change agent for my company, I'm not afraid of changes to make our team more competitive. I'm not worried about losing Wenger as long as we go all out to get the best replacement in the market place.
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