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An insightful comparison between Moyes and SAF
Topic Started: Oct 25 2013, 05:30 PM (82 Views)
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Just a quick paragraph from an article on Grantland about Man United's struggle so far. The rest of the article has some good stats comparing last year to this year for Man U.

Manchester United’s problems are fixable. The problem is that they’ve gone from Sir Alex Ferguson, who was a master at getting the most out of talented but flawed players, to Moyes, whose biggest strength is using a rigid system to promote the limited talents of players with considerably lower potential than the players he has now. The system Moyes is instituting is designed to create and host of mediocre chances for mediocre players, rather than allowing talented attackers to create higher quality chances for themselves.
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jays712
Oct 25 2013, 05:30 PM
Just a quick paragraph from an article on Grantland about Man United's struggle so far. The rest of the article has some good stats comparing last year to this year for Man U.

Manchester United’s problems are fixable. The problem is that they’ve gone from Sir Alex Ferguson, who was a master at getting the most out of talented but flawed players, to Moyes, whose biggest strength is using a rigid system to promote the limited talents of players with considerably lower potential than the players he has now. The system Moyes is instituting is designed to create and host of mediocre chances for mediocre players, rather than allowing talented attackers to create higher quality chances for themselves.
Insightful? It's struggling for accuracy. But whatever makes the false dichotomy fit the two men.

This ignores the evolution of Moyes and his tactics over the last decade or so. The Everton team circa 2004/2005 was anything but inflexible. Moyes had the same or slightly less resources than Wenger during the same time since, so struggled to find replacements in that team as they retired or moved out of contract.

I would agree with the other end of the distinction, SAF usually had a player waiting in the wings if someone had a meltdown.
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Oct 26 2013, 05:45 AM
jays712
Oct 25 2013, 05:30 PM
Just a quick paragraph from an article on Grantland about Man United's struggle so far. The rest of the article has some good stats comparing last year to this year for Man U.

Manchester United’s problems are fixable. The problem is that they’ve gone from Sir Alex Ferguson, who was a master at getting the most out of talented but flawed players, to Moyes, whose biggest strength is using a rigid system to promote the limited talents of players with considerably lower potential than the players he has now. The system Moyes is instituting is designed to create and host of mediocre chances for mediocre players, rather than allowing talented attackers to create higher quality chances for themselves.
Insightful? It's struggling for accuracy. But whatever makes the false dichotomy fit the two men.

This ignores the evolution of Moyes and his tactics over the last decade or so. The Everton team circa 2004/2005 was anything but inflexible. Moyes had the same or slightly less resources than Wenger during the same time since, so struggled to find replacements in that team as they retired or moved out of contract.

I would agree with the other end of the distinction, SAF usually had a player waiting in the wings if someone had a meltdown.
The rest of the article includes heat maps and some stats to drive home the point that the conclusion makes. I didn't watch Everton 10 years ago so I have no idea what type of style he played. What I saw from him these last several years was a manager who made the most of what he had available to him. If you're saying that he was forced to evolve his tactics than perhaps he will do the same at ManU. The first sentence here does say the problems are fixable and if Moyes is a manager who can evolve, than surely he will do the same now. During that transition, ManU will continue to struggle.
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jays712
Oct 26 2013, 07:07 AM
santry_gooner
Oct 26 2013, 05:45 AM
jays712
Oct 25 2013, 05:30 PM
Just a quick paragraph from an article on Grantland about Man United's struggle so far. The rest of the article has some good stats comparing last year to this year for Man U.

Manchester United’s problems are fixable. The problem is that they’ve gone from Sir Alex Ferguson, who was a master at getting the most out of talented but flawed players, to Moyes, whose biggest strength is using a rigid system to promote the limited talents of players with considerably lower potential than the players he has now. The system Moyes is instituting is designed to create and host of mediocre chances for mediocre players, rather than allowing talented attackers to create higher quality chances for themselves.
Insightful? It's struggling for accuracy. But whatever makes the false dichotomy fit the two men.

This ignores the evolution of Moyes and his tactics over the last decade or so. The Everton team circa 2004/2005 was anything but inflexible. Moyes had the same or slightly less resources than Wenger during the same time since, so struggled to find replacements in that team as they retired or moved out of contract.

I would agree with the other end of the distinction, SAF usually had a player waiting in the wings if someone had a meltdown.
The rest of the article includes heat maps and some stats to drive home the point that the conclusion makes. I didn't watch Everton 10 years ago so I have no idea what type of style he played. What I saw from him these last several years was a manager who made the most of what he had available to him. If you're saying that he was forced to evolve his tactics than perhaps he will do the same at ManU. The first sentence here does say the problems are fixable and if Moyes is a manager who can evolve, than surely he will do the same now. During that transition, ManU will continue to struggle.
Post up that link please. Yes, Moyes had to work a rigid system to compensate for not having better players. Having said that there should be more leeway for him with Uniteds current cro of players. Lots of managers start off with a "core" idea before they add on the trimmings.
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Here's the full article.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/79473/whats-the-matter-with-manchester-united
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That's a good read. Author makes his points about Moyes' system well.
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Oct 26 2013, 10:41 AM
Good, but still a little premature to judge Moyes. Remember most informed neutrals expect a barren season with CL qualification, with anything above a bonus. If you are a deluded United fan you are looking for the league again, and sacking for Moyes if anything less.
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Oct 27 2013, 07:01 AM
jays712
Oct 26 2013, 10:41 AM
Good, but still a little premature to judge Moyes. Remember most informed neutrals expect a barren season with CL qualification, with anything above a bonus. If you are a deluded United fan you are looking for the league again, and sacking for Moyes if anything less.
It's way early to start hanging effigies of Moyes in the streets on Manchester. This is simply a transition year for them under a new manager. I didn't think they would challenge for the title this year and had them pegged to finish 3rd before the season started. They may not even get to 4th if they don't improve.
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