Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Add Reply
Crystal Palace
Topic Started: Oct 26 2013, 06:07 AM (2,247 Views)
Deleted User
Deleted User

cruyff_turn
Oct 26 2013, 11:26 PM
Gooner0893
Oct 26 2013, 08:11 PM
Great game by the lads. Chamakh absolutely stinks. Suarez is the best striker in the premier league. I remember someone saying that they would take a 31 year RVP over the 26 year old Suarez.
Again, we would have to consider if we were taking the player for a season in isolation, or actually having to look forward to the future. As I said before the season started, I'd still take RvP right now, but time is obviously on Suarez's side. BTW, as I remember, there were quite a few of us who said we would take RvP right now, over Suarez, right now.
I don't quite get your reply, because we are not actually looking forward to the future, 0893 put it as simply as possible, Suarez is the best striker in the epl right now, infact I will go as far as saying Suarez has been the best striker in the EPL for the past 18 months, infact I actually agree with Alan Hansen when he said Suarez is the BEST PLAYER in the epl right now
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

phatosas
Oct 27 2013, 05:49 AM
Gooner0893
Oct 26 2013, 08:11 PM
Great game by the lads. Chamakh absolutely stinks. Suarez is the best striker in the premier league. I remember someone saying that they would take a 31 year RVP over the 26 year old Suarez.
Great time to have this discussion right after one player has a hattrick and the other has a so so game. I can see this going on for a while because Liverpool are having a fantastic start to the season while United are having a nightmarish start.
Actually 0893 is just repeating what has been said time and time again, I remember when Suarez was still serving his suspension I brought up this topic(that's how confident I was in Suarez ability), you had a laugh that RVP has already scored 4 goals while Suarez has scored nothing, all I said was wait until Suarez gets back on the pitch then we'll know who's the master.

There are two main points to note here

1. United are 8th right now, Liverpool finished 7th I remember you saying the league position and team's performance doesn't really matter.
2. Let's put the RVP vs Suarez comparison aside, you've always insisted that Suarez is a one season wonder and there's no doubt in your mind that he won't replicate last season's form, have you changed your mind now?
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

santry_gooner
Oct 27 2013, 06:58 AM
phatosas
Oct 27 2013, 05:49 AM
Gooner0893
Oct 26 2013, 08:11 PM
Great game by the lads. Chamakh absolutely stinks. Suarez is the best striker in the premier league. I remember someone saying that they would take a 31 year RVP over the 26 year old Suarez.
Great time to have this discussion right after one player has a hattrick and the other has a so so game. I can see this going on for a while because Liverpool are having a fantastic start to the season while United are having a nightmarish start.
You remember what he was like, the very odd weekends when Kalou scored and RVP was in treatment we got our own special clarion call of KALOU > RVP. He's a master at timing.
let me borrow Cruyff's vocabulary and say that is 'false equivalency', even while Suarez was still under suspension and nothing was going in his favour, some of us were still very confident that this guy was the EPL's best striker, apparently you conveniently missed it!

Cruyff can bare me witness there because he actually replied to my post when I brought up Suarez while he was under suspension.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
cruyff_turn
Member Avatar
Administrator
dream_team
Oct 27 2013, 08:29 AM
santry_gooner
Oct 27 2013, 06:58 AM
phatosas
Oct 27 2013, 05:49 AM
Gooner0893
Oct 26 2013, 08:11 PM
Great game by the lads. Chamakh absolutely stinks. Suarez is the best striker in the premier league. I remember someone saying that they would take a 31 year RVP over the 26 year old Suarez.
Great time to have this discussion right after one player has a hattrick and the other has a so so game. I can see this going on for a while because Liverpool are having a fantastic start to the season while United are having a nightmarish start.
You remember what he was like, the very odd weekends when Kalou scored and RVP was in treatment we got our own special clarion call of KALOU > RVP. He's a master at timing.
let me borrow Cruyff's vocabulary and say that is 'false equivalency', even while Suarez was still under suspension and nothing was going in his favour, some of us were still very confident that this guy was the EPL's best striker, apparently you conveniently missed it!

Cruyff can bare me witness there because he actually replied to my post when I brought up Suarez while he was under suspension.
I can, but surely the fact Suarez was directly responsible for his own suspension must factor into the overall discussion here?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

cruyff_turn
Oct 27 2013, 08:49 AM
dream_team
Oct 27 2013, 08:29 AM
santry_gooner
Oct 27 2013, 06:58 AM
phatosas
Oct 27 2013, 05:49 AM
Gooner0893
Oct 26 2013, 08:11 PM
Great game by the lads. Chamakh absolutely stinks. Suarez is the best striker in the premier league. I remember someone saying that they would take a 31 year RVP over the 26 year old Suarez.
Great time to have this discussion right after one player has a hattrick and the other has a so so game. I can see this going on for a while because Liverpool are having a fantastic start to the season while United are having a nightmarish start.
You remember what he was like, the very odd weekends when Kalou scored and RVP was in treatment we got our own special clarion call of KALOU > RVP. He's a master at timing.
let me borrow Cruyff's vocabulary and say that is 'false equivalency', even while Suarez was still under suspension and nothing was going in his favour, some of us were still very confident that this guy was the EPL's best striker, apparently you conveniently missed it!

Cruyff can bare me witness there because he actually replied to my post when I brought up Suarez while he was under suspension.
I can, but surely the fact Suarez was directly responsible for his own suspension must factor into the overall discussion here?
Let me go over this again, the debate here is how good Suarez is on the pitch right? and the apparent 'timing', so yeah whether he was responsible for the suspension or not is irrelevant here.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
dsch15
Member Avatar

santry_gooner
Oct 27 2013, 03:16 AM
I stared at playbacks for a while. While the decision to red card Arteta is clearly wrong when you look from behind Chamakh's direction/trajectory, I'm not so sure that from the angle Foy saw it that he wouldn't have thought Arteta performed a trip. Grudgingly I would give the ref the benefit of the doubt. I must confess it looked like tangled legs, but wasn't clear when I saw it at the time.

However, while I was in that activity I looked at the trip on Gnabry in the first half on the edge of the box (sorry that's on or inside the line) by Delaney. That was a much worse decision. The ref had a divot to help him see the location of Delaney's trailing leg. The referee seems to wanted to avoid giving us a penalty. I wonder if we should make excuses for the fact that this was a local derby, that the home crowd was loud, that penalties ruin games.... Etc.
I'm perfectly fine with borderline calls being resolved in favor of the less consequential decision. I had no problem with the first trip on Gnabry being taken outside the area - neither the AR nor Foy was positioned to see the incident as definitely inside, so no PK. The replay suggested it might have been inches into the penalty area, but I had three good slow motion looks at that from different angles.

It would be interesting to know what feedback Foy received from the AR regarding Arteta. It looked to me like Foy was certainly speaking with him prior to producing red. In the end, it did look a tactical foul to me. Once you decide that, you really have to book Arteta. Sending him off, however, required a very liberal interpretation (from the Palace point of view) of distance from the goal - one of the requirements in establishing an obvious goal scoring opportunity. There were clearly other Arsenal players present who could have become involved before Chamakh had a chance to shoot.

That Foy's decisions both went in favor of Crystal Palace certainly raises questions about the influence of the home crowd, and we've seen documentation that they do have an effect. I suppose we chalk them up to that and take comfort in the fact that on another day, in another season, his decisions might have cost us points. As I said earlier in this thread, I'm starting to think this Arsenal side may be made of sterner stuff.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
WX_Hitman

santry_gooner
Oct 27 2013, 02:51 AM
cruyff_turn
Oct 26 2013, 11:26 PM
chillyheat
Oct 26 2013, 08:32 PM
jays712
Oct 26 2013, 06:56 AM
Don't understand how he could start when he clearly wasn't ready.
wot fucking fixation wenger got with rushing players back from d brink?
Are you high?
There's a queue for the blame Wenger armchair. Clearly the groin and the head are different areas, so long as you are paying attention.
Actually Santry , the groin and the head is pretty much the same area . Depends on which head is being referred to :)

As for Suarez being the arguably the best player . Wenger must have got that right this summer . He wanted Suarez .

But having Suarez is like making a deal
With the devil . This summer he will be looking to go to the madrids again . It reminded me of season after season the tedious negotiations with vieira . Till cesc came of age and we offloaded him to juve.

But if Suarez gives us a good half a season in jan , win some stuff by the end of it ,I got no complaints . Or we already got our own Suarez in the treatment room
. His name is poldoski and we haven't added the goal threat of Walcott ,
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
phatosas

First of all the way the summer panned out couldnt have been any better. Everything fell into place and we signed a player who up to this point has had a fantastic career, has won things, has an impeccable character and is regarded among the best players in the world. The Suarez thing was an embarrassment to the club and even if we had succeeded in signing him, he would have divided the fans, he wouldnt have contributed in any way for the first 10 games of the season (League and CL) and you wonder where we would have been if we had to wait for 10 games to use our 40 mil pound signing. I have no idea why this debate is even being brought up considering Giroud has actually stepped up to the plate this season.

Anyway there were a lot of things said in the summer. I remember how I was scoffed at when I suggested that Aguerro was similar to Suarez but he is proving it this season. I dont get excited game to game and surely the worst time to make an argument is after you just see a player score a hat trick and looks out of this world. Similar to when fans suggest that we wait till the end of season or mid season to take stock, lets evaluate all these guys at the very end because the season is very long and grueling and this is only the beginning.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chillyheat

Joe Bobs Fine Foods
Oct 27 2013, 07:50 AM
chillyheat
Oct 27 2013, 07:41 AM
Joe Bobs Fine Foods
Oct 26 2013, 10:15 PM
dsch15
Oct 26 2013, 10:09 PM
chillyheat
Oct 26 2013, 08:32 PM
jays712
Oct 26 2013, 06:56 AM
Don't understand how he could start when he clearly wasn't ready.
wot fucking fixation wenger got with rushing players back from d brink?
Wasn't this a groin pull?

If someone can explain to me the connection between a concussion and a muscle strain I'm willing to blame Wenger. Otherwise... ?
Dude, you need to read the latest New England Journal of Medicine.
dont have 2 read medical journal 2 realize wenger professorship aint in medicine.
Yes but people SHOULD read the latest medical journals to learn about all the research that shows the correlation between concussions and groin pulls!
joe could u kindly share thots on correlation of concussion & groin injury. mayb we can all upgrade our knowledge of such injuries. thanks.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
phatosas

chillyheat
Oct 27 2013, 11:37 AM
Joe Bobs Fine Foods
Oct 27 2013, 07:50 AM
chillyheat
Oct 27 2013, 07:41 AM
Joe Bobs Fine Foods
Oct 26 2013, 10:15 PM
dsch15
Oct 26 2013, 10:09 PM
chillyheat
Oct 26 2013, 08:32 PM
jays712
Oct 26 2013, 06:56 AM
Don't understand how he could start when he clearly wasn't ready.
wot fucking fixation wenger got with rushing players back from d brink?
Wasn't this a groin pull?

If someone can explain to me the connection between a concussion and a muscle strain I'm willing to blame Wenger. Otherwise... ?
Dude, you need to read the latest New England Journal of Medicine.
dont have 2 read medical journal 2 realize wenger professorship aint in medicine.
Yes but people SHOULD read the latest medical journals to learn about all the research that shows the correlation between concussions and groin pulls!
joe could u kindly share thots on correlation of concussion & groin injury. mayb we can all upgrade our knowledge of such injuries. thanks.
When Flamini first showed signs of discomfort on the pitch, I thought it was a recurrence of his concussion. However when it turned out it was a groi injury, I wasnt entirely surprised. It is not that I think there is any correlation between a concussion and the groin, we see it all the time when a player recovers from one injury and is suddenly dealing with a completely unrelated injury. It almost seem like it easier to stay fit when a player is in a flow playing weekly than when he has these starts and stops. By the way I think Flamini had fully recovered from the concussion before Arsenal played him.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Free Forums. Reliable service with over 8 years of experience.
Learn More · Sign-up for Free
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · General Discussion · Next Topic »
Add Reply