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chillyheat
Jan 11 2014, 10:55 PM
'Arsenal should, in theory, be better positioned that at any time over the last few years to land their targets and, even if Manchester City or Paris St Germain get involved, will be helped in any bidding war by the release clauses.'



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10559638/Arsenal-unlikely-to-sign-new-striker-in-January-transfer-window.html
That's the summertime, not now. You understand this, right?
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rw_mlite2
Jan 12 2014, 12:12 PM
chillyheat
Jan 12 2014, 11:38 AM
rw_mlite2
Jan 12 2014, 10:57 AM
chillyheat
Jan 12 2014, 10:44 AM
rw_mlite2
Jan 12 2014, 10:27 AM
So even though that link pretty much backs up everything that's been said about why it would make sense NOT to sign a striker this winter (no release clause, teams not willing to part with their players, etc.), you two have somehow spun it to be an indictment of Wenger? The narrative is sounding desperately foolish now.

Would you have Wenger overpay for a player that isn't much better than what we have? At the expense of signing somebody better this summer that would make us stronger going forward?

As much as our financial position is stronger, we're still not Chel$ea or $ity or P$G. There still is a bottom to the well.
desperately foolish huh? did you read d quote kamy or chilly posted or u simply interested in defending wenger? 2 players with release clauses would make us more dynamic & r certainly better than wot we got. overbidding for upgrade is way to clinch d title. excuses, excuses & even more excuses without 100% trying 2 better trophy drought. incredible!
You're accusing ME of being a Wengerite? Get a grip on yourself...you're thinking with your little chilly only and it's clouding your thoughts.

Did you not see this line about release clauses? "Arsenal’s pursuit of a new striker has been made more difficult this month due to the release clauses of several major targets only applying at the end of the season. " It was the very first line of the article. Or are you so interested in slamming Wenger that you conveniently overlook it? And you'd blow the whole wad by overpaying for a player now (if anyone is willing to sell...a point you continue to ignore) while limiting (or eliminating altogether) the ability to buy over the summer? Do you think that signing (and paying) a striker is all the business we have to do till summer 2015?
always next year & never this year with wengerites...always passing d buck down d road-always absolutely predictably. no need to get upset 4 being called a wengerite.

anything worthwhile is never gift wrapped as present dats y we gotto overbid. we sign either player, land d title & summer signings will b signed regardless of how much we spend in jan window.

contracts aint shit in footy if tested with big money & we is 4th richest club acting scared & afraid to throw dollars at our needs or release clauses. wenger fondly talks up other big clubs spending habits while being content prodding along on d cheap not picking up trophies. blue print for wining epl title is money & lots of it...but dats not d arsenal way. come summer we'd probably bid one dollar above release clause- dats d arsenal way dat. cant we break & cut away from failure-dats thinking with my little chilli.lol u should try it to. thanks for d laugh.

No. You mean wengerite as a term of derision. And beside that, I've never been a Wenger backer. I've just tried to be objective...and I'm not sure I've even always been that (and not in Wenger's favor).

You sound like the type to buy a BMW just out of college just because your salary says you can afford it. In the meantime, you've forgotten about your emergency fund, your repairs fund, your 'move up to a bigger/better house fund', and your retirement. What good will increasing the chance of winning the title this year do (and that's all a purchase will do...it won't guarantee a title) if it ensures we can't continue to improve for next year? It's shortsighted and doing the opposite isn't kicking the can down the road. It's preparing for the future. Not acting like a white trash lottery winner who's just looking to blow all the money before it even hits the bank account.


1st off, term wengerite aint derision- its phrase used 2 acknowledge supporter of manager-fan in favor of status quo-term widely used on most afc footy forums. chilli is capable of derisive behaviour without d camouflage. so u know, chilli was awesome grahamite & later became staunch wengerite but 8 yrs of of absolute abject failure turned me into hater.

aint sure if rw analogy is fitting 2 chilli or afc predicament regarding striker but so b it if it float ur boat. wining title aint bout hoarding bread its bout splashing d cash.

despite graduating with top honors from english university chilli aint find job for 7 long months after graduation. well paying job eventually landed gave 6 months probation. bought 1st car 2 yrs after job. those living in uk can testify to high price of gas/petrol which see's those able to afford bmw/mercedes buying japanese or cheaper coz of attached costs.

sorry rw, chilly coming from most humble of beginings means bling bling aint my thing. present position of afc aint akin 2 white trash mentality or ghetto fabulous squandering cash. good try though.



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JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 12 2014, 12:18 PM
chillyheat
Jan 11 2014, 10:55 PM
'Arsenal should, in theory, be better positioned that at any time over the last few years to land their targets and, even if Manchester City or Paris St Germain get involved, will be helped in any bidding war by the release clauses.'



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10559638/Arsenal-unlikely-to-sign-new-striker-in-January-transfer-window.html
That's the summertime, not now. You understand this, right?
dont want anymore communication or battles with you. but im sure u'll get ur wish.
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Jan 12 2014, 10:44 AM
rw_mlite2
Jan 12 2014, 10:27 AM
So even though that link pretty much backs up everything that's been said about why it would make sense NOT to sign a striker this winter (no release clause, teams not willing to part with their players, etc.), you two have somehow spun it to be an indictment of Wenger? The narrative is sounding desperately foolish now.

Would you have Wenger overpay for a player that isn't much better than what we have? At the expense of signing somebody better this summer that would make us stronger going forward?

As much as our financial position is stronger, we're still not Chel$ea or $ity or P$G. There still is a bottom to the well.
desperately foolish huh? did you read d quote kamy or chilly posted or u simply interested in defending wenger? 2 players with release clauses would make us more dynamic & r certainly better than wot we got. overbidding for upgrade is way to clinch d title. excuses, excuses & even more excuses without 100% trying 2 better trophy drought. incredible!
It does sound desperately foolish, Chilly, when you keep repeating something without even recognizing the facts.

You're pretending that it is all about money, it's not. We can't throw 60m at Liverpool and expect them to sell Suarez. We can't throw 80m at Atletico and expect them to give us Diego Costa.

It doesn't work like that.

As everyone has pointed out to you, clubs don't want to let their important players go. And many times players don't want to leave midseason because they are acheiving something with their clubs or they don't want to lose their starting spot ahead of a world cup. There are many reasons hindering players from moving midseason.


If you are correct, then please explain why Chelsea haven't signed a striker? It's clear that Mourinho isn't happy with his strikers yet 12 days into January they haven't signed anyone. They aren't even looking!

Guess what, they're waiting for Rooney in the summer.

And we'll have to wait too if we want to sign the right player who will actually make this team better.

Perhaps Porto's Jackson Martinez will move for the right price, but is he better than what we have? Freaking freddy Montero is top scorer in that league. Are we sure that spending 30m on this player is the right move? Is he going to come in and immediately score more than Giroud?
Players like Berbatov are an option but again, will he really improve us?
We are not City or Chelsea. We can't spend 30m on a flop and then spend another 50m to fix that mistakes 6 months later. If we spend our budget now and end up with a dud we'll be stuck with him for next season too.

No one disagrees that we should try to sign someone who will help us win the league. I don't get these silly attacks from you that whoever disagrees is a "wengerite" and doesn't want the team to win. Wtf? We all agree that we should do whatever it takes to win the league.

But you also have to consider the facts. And the facts are that even managers with a lot of money at their disposal complain about how difficult it is to sign players in January. Even Moyes, who is desperate for transfers, hasn't been able to make a move yet.
You can't just ignore reality and say whatever the hell you want and then attack others for disagreeing with you.

And aside from all of this, Wenger has actually said that yes, we're trying to sign a striker. There have been reliable reports of our interest in certain players. I'm hoping we can sign someone. But I'd also rather we made an intelligence decision than make a bad choice in panic.
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Jan 12 2014, 06:16 PM
chillyheat
Jan 12 2014, 10:44 AM
rw_mlite2
Jan 12 2014, 10:27 AM
So even though that link pretty much backs up everything that's been said about why it would make sense NOT to sign a striker this winter (no release clause, teams not willing to part with their players, etc.), you two have somehow spun it to be an indictment of Wenger? The narrative is sounding desperately foolish now.

Would you have Wenger overpay for a player that isn't much better than what we have? At the expense of signing somebody better this summer that would make us stronger going forward?

As much as our financial position is stronger, we're still not Chel$ea or $ity or P$G. There still is a bottom to the well.
desperately foolish huh? did you read d quote kamy or chilly posted or u simply interested in defending wenger? 2 players with release clauses would make us more dynamic & r certainly better than wot we got. overbidding for upgrade is way to clinch d title. excuses, excuses & even more excuses without 100% trying 2 better trophy drought. incredible!
It does sound desperately foolish, Chilly, when you keep repeating something without even recognizing the facts.

You're pretending that it is all about money, it's not. We can't throw 60m at Liverpool and expect them to sell Suarez. We can't throw 80m at Atletico and expect them to give us Diego Costa.

It doesn't work like that.

As everyone has pointed out to you, clubs don't want to let their important players go. And many times players don't want to leave midseason because they are acheiving something with their clubs or they don't want to lose their starting spot ahead of a world cup. There are many reasons hindering players from moving midseason.


If you are correct, then please explain why Chelsea haven't signed a striker? It's clear that Mourinho isn't happy with his strikers yet 12 days into January they haven't signed anyone. They aren't even looking!

Guess what, they're waiting for Rooney in the summer.

And we'll have to wait too if we want to sign the right player who will actually make this team better.

Perhaps Porto's Jackson Martinez will move for the right price, but is he better than what we have? Freaking freddy Montero is top scorer in that league. Are we sure that spending 30m on this player is the right move? Is he going to come in and immediately score more than Giroud?
Players like Berbatov are an option but again, will he really improve us?
We are not City or Chelsea. We can't spend 30m on a flop and then spend another 50m to fix that mistakes 6 months later. If we spend our budget now and end up with a dud we'll be stuck with him for next season too.

No one disagrees that we should try to sign someone who will help us win the league. I don't get these silly attacks from you that whoever disagrees is a "wengerite" and doesn't want the team to win. Wtf? We all agree that we should do whatever it takes to win the league.

But you also have to consider the facts. And the facts are that even managers with a lot of money at their disposal complain about how difficult it is to sign players in January. Even Moyes, who is desperate for transfers, hasn't been able to make a move yet.
You can't just ignore reality and say whatever the hell you want and then attack others for disagreeing with you.

And aside from all of this, Wenger has actually said that yes, we're trying to sign a striker. There have been reliable reports of our interest in certain players. I'm hoping we can sign someone. But I'd also rather we made an intelligence decision than make a bad choice in panic.
Can't put it any better than that. Completely agree supercollider.
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chillyheat
Jan 12 2014, 05:59 PM
JustOneDennisBergkamp
Jan 12 2014, 12:18 PM
chillyheat
Jan 11 2014, 10:55 PM
'Arsenal should, in theory, be better positioned that at any time over the last few years to land their targets and, even if Manchester City or Paris St Germain get involved, will be helped in any bidding war by the release clauses.'



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10559638/Arsenal-unlikely-to-sign-new-striker-in-January-transfer-window.html
That's the summertime, not now. You understand this, right?
dont want anymore communication or battles with you. but im sure u'll get ur wish.
You were so focused on kicking Wenger that you stubbed your toe. And if you want to avoid me critiquing your thoughts on occasion, I suggest that you confine them to your journal rather than posting them on a public forum.
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http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/arsenal-ready-to-spend-e40m-on-portos-jackson-martinez-after-moves-for-reals-morata-flounder-a-bola/

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-new-arsenal-eye-porto-star-jackson-martinez-who-has-33m-release-clause-if-alvaro-morata-switch-fails-9046193.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jackson-martinez-issues-come-statement-arsenal-204400372.html

lol at chief wengerist on forum. apparently we r favorites 2 sign jackson dis window which many on here r in denial about. aint saying his coming but we trying 2 grab him to emirates. is this chilly talking outta his arse or wot? and trees, 12 goals in 14 games is more clinical than anything we got. almost any striker can score more than french toast giroud which is y i clamour for better. dis guy wanna play 4 his childhood club. sometimes hurdles, obstacles & wotnot dragging us down r of our own doing...
y compare ourselves to scum or uniteds needs? shouldnt we b hungrier having not won trophy forever while both teams recently always picking up trophies. they both got new managers which probably means priorities r different. just happy u said wenger is actively looking 4 better. valid question is, should he sign-will he hit d ground running? except u or any poster knows wots inside wengers head then its all opinion. and its chilli opinion dat we sign him now. aint matter of splitting hairs!
silly attacks from chilly?? only one poster chilli engages attacks with. so please dont lie. calling poster wengerite aint attack- its definition. dats all!
Edited by chillyheat, Jan 12 2014, 09:45 PM.
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The signings which will truly excite me. Costa and Draxler. The rest will be a compromise. I am willing to wait for the summer . I wouldn't mind if we can sign Draxler first since Schalke is not competing at the top although they are 4 points off CL places. Draxler will add goals and can he be converted into a striker like TH14?

To sell big on Draxler and then use some of the money to reinvest and also cushion the blow if they don't play CL does make sense for Schlake and Draxler is only 20 and got a 40 million buy out clause. I say pay the club their money. Let's try a 40 million + 2 pound bid this Jan ?

Both are big guys. Interestingly the stats put Draxler at 1.87 , only 1 cm shorter than Costa. And the witch doctor that haunts Senderos / Vermaelen / Gallas/ Toure every night Drogba is 1.88cm.

As for Giroud and Poldo.They are still well loved and can still play a big part to our 2014 /2015 season but they got to share their starting spots.
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Jan 12 2014, 08:08 PM
http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/arsenal-ready-to-spend-e40m-on-portos-jackson-martinez-after-moves-for-reals-morata-flounder-a-bola/

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-new-arsenal-eye-porto-star-jackson-martinez-who-has-33m-release-clause-if-alvaro-morata-switch-fails-9046193.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jackson-martinez-issues-come-statement-arsenal-204400372.html

lol at chief wengerist on forum. apparently we r favorites 2 sign jackson dis window which many on here r in denial about. aint saying his coming but we trying 2 grab him to emirates. is this chilly talking outta his arse or wot? and trees, 12 goals in 14 games is more clinical than anything we got. almost any striker can score more than french toast giroud which is y i clamour for better. dis guy wanna play 4 his childhood club. sometimes hurdles, obstacles & wotnot dragging us down r of our own doing...
y compare ourselves to scum or uniteds needs? shouldnt we b hungrier having not won trophy forever while both teams recently always picking up trophies. they both got new managers which probably means priorities r different. just happy u said wenger is actively looking 4 better. valid question is, should he sign-will he hit d ground running? except u or any poster knows wots inside wengers head then its all opinion. and its chilli opinion dat we sign him now. aint matter of splitting hairs!
silly attacks from chilly?? only one poster chilli engages attacks with. so please dont lie. calling poster wengerite aint attack- its definition. dats all!
Chilly, it is an attack when someone says "there are difficulties in signing players in January" and you say "you're just a wengerite who is ok with the club losing every year." Come on.

But yeah, as I pointed out to you, we are looking to bring in a striker (which makes your attacks on Wenger here strange). But again, three things.

1. Just because we are trying doesn't mean the player will end up moving. Most likely that Martinez, Costa, Draxler, etc move in the summer. We are not the only club that would rather have success than money.

2. I hope we don't panic buy someone who isn't good enough, and I'm sure that concerns Wenger too. That's why for me a loan would be great. We don't have unlimited funds like our rivals, so if we spend 30-40m on a player like Martinez we better be 100% sure that he is good enough.

3. We don't necessarily need to buy if Gnabry, Ox, and Podolski (who haven't played all season) are ready to step up. Unless whoever we bring in is clearly better than these options, or offers something different.
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stakes r high, next year may not b as kind-gotto seize oppotunity now means wenger hopefully aint leaving any stone unturned looking for better. walcott injury is major major concern. aint sure ox, pod or gnabry is capable of stepping up to walcott plateau. we need another dimension 2 thrive. already players dropping like flies thru injury & it aint even feb, march or april. coz we picture perfect now on top table dont mean jack in jan. we need better for ever lasting staying power.
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