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supercollider7
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Dec 23 2013, 01:10 PM
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We buy no one - we manage with Poldi.
Exactly,..AW is the kind of manager who shows 'long' faith in what he has! I'm not expecting any striker to come in, not until someone tells me we are really vying for the title.
The Gunners are really vying for the title.
... then someone who can score goals has to be acquired! We can't rely on midfielders, I mean we can't have a midfielder as our top scorer if we are serious about the title. I don't get why you need someone to tell you that a team that's been top of the league for most of the season is vying for the title? I don't get that. And our interest in bringing in another striker is well documented. We were even trying to sign Ba on loan. So to say that we don't *want* to sign a striker because Wenger will just stick with what he has is wrong.
Anyway, what you've just said is repeating a cliche without considering facts.
Many teams have won titles with goalscoring midfielders. There's more than one way of winning in football.
For example, when Chelsea won the title in 2005, their top scorer was Lampard, with 19 goals. Gudjohnson had just 12 goals in 30 starts in the league. Drogba had 10 goals in 18 starts.
As I've said before, if you have a striker who allows the midfielders to play and score goals, then you don't need him to be prolific. With Ramsey, Walcott, Podolski, Cazorla behind him, Giroud doesn't need to score 25 goals, because the midfielders are prolific.
But having said that, I'd love for us to have a striker who can score goals. Right now Giroud is the kind of player who you can't rely on to put away chances in big games, or score from half-chances. When we had RvP, we knew that going into the game if you could create 1 chance for him he would put it away. It made us more dangerous in the big games.
It's no coincidence that when RvP has played we have always beaten Chelsea. And now Man City with Aguero and Liverpool with Suarez have the same sort of confidence of scoring goals. And that can make the difference in the title race.
So I agree with you that to be a real force in the league and CL, we need a big striker who can get us crucial goals.
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anelka_henry
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Dec 23 2013, 01:42 PM
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We buy no one - we manage with Poldi.
Exactly,..AW is the kind of manager who shows 'long' faith in what he has! I'm not expecting any striker to come in, not until someone tells me we are really vying for the title.
The Gunners are really vying for the title.
... then someone who can score goals has to be acquired! We can't rely on midfielders, I mean we can't have a midfielder as our top scorer if we are serious about the title.
I don't get why you need someone to tell you that a team that's been top of the league for most of the season is vying for the title? I don't get that. And our interest in bringing in another striker is well documented. We were even trying to sign Ba on loan. So to say that we don't *want* to sign a striker because Wenger will just stick with what he has is wrong. Anyway, what you've just said is repeating a cliche without considering facts. Many teams have won titles with goalscoring midfielders. There's more than one way of winning in football. For example, when Chelsea won the title in 2005, their top scorer was Lampard, with 19 goals. Gudjohnson had just 12 goals in 30 starts in the league. Drogba had 10 goals in 18 starts. As I've said before, if you have a striker who allows the midfielders to play and score goals, then you don't need him to be prolific. With Ramsey, Walcott, Podolski, Cazorla behind him, Giroud doesn't need to score 25 goals, because the midfielders are prolific. But having said that, I'd love for us to have a striker who can score goals. Right now Giroud is the kind of player who you can't rely on to put away chances in big games, or score from half-chances. When we had RvP, we knew that going into the game if you could create 1 chance for him he would put it away. It made us more dangerous in the big games. It's no coincidence that when RvP has played we have always beaten Chelsea. And now Man City with Aguero and Liverpool with Suarez have the same sort of confidence of scoring goals. And that can make the difference in the title race. So I agree with you that to be a real force in the league and CL, we need a big striker who can get us crucial goals. Are you serious? While commendable that we were/are top of the league, its common knowledge that that came at a time when our major rivals were transitioning. Now that they seem to have hit their stride we are beginning to see them close the gap.
That's why I feel we need to undress Chelsea, not just to prevent another loss to Jose, but to make a statement that we are not 'tapering'! If we lose today, imagine the media onslaught, let alone will our players have the mental fortitude to rebound. I would rather hope we not speculate and just dispatch Chelsea today, if nothing but to keep any discerning doubters in their shells.
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Dec 23 2013, 01:47 PM
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We buy no one - we manage with Poldi.
Exactly,..AW is the kind of manager who shows 'long' faith in what he has! I'm not expecting any striker to come in, not until someone tells me we are really vying for the title.
The Gunners are really vying for the title.
... then someone who can score goals has to be acquired! We can't rely on midfielders, I mean we can't have a midfielder as our top scorer if we are serious about the title.
I don't get why you need someone to tell you that a team that's been top of the league for most of the season is vying for the title? I don't get that. And our interest in bringing in another striker is well documented. We were even trying to sign Ba on loan. So to say that we don't *want* to sign a striker because Wenger will just stick with what he has is wrong. Anyway, what you've just said is repeating a cliche without considering facts. Many teams have won titles with goalscoring midfielders. There's more than one way of winning in football. For example, when Chelsea won the title in 2005, their top scorer was Lampard, with 19 goals. Gudjohnson had just 12 goals in 30 starts in the league. Drogba had 10 goals in 18 starts. As I've said before, if you have a striker who allows the midfielders to play and score goals, then you don't need him to be prolific. With Ramsey, Walcott, Podolski, Cazorla behind him, Giroud doesn't need to score 25 goals, because the midfielders are prolific. But having said that, I'd love for us to have a striker who can score goals. Right now Giroud is the kind of player who you can't rely on to put away chances in big games, or score from half-chances. When we had RvP, we knew that going into the game if you could create 1 chance for him he would put it away. It made us more dangerous in the big games. It's no coincidence that when RvP has played we have always beaten Chelsea. And now Man City with Aguero and Liverpool with Suarez have the same sort of confidence of scoring goals. And that can make the difference in the title race. So I agree with you that to be a real force in the league and CL, we need a big striker who can get us crucial goals.
Are you serious? While commendable that we were/are top of the league, its common knowledge that that came at a time when our major rivals were transitioning. Now that they seem to have hit their stride we are beginning to see them close the gap. That's why I feel we need to undress Chelsea, not just to prevent another loss to Jose, but to make a statement that we are not 'tapering'! If we lose today, imagine the media onslaught, let alone will our players have the mental fortitude to rebound. I would rather hope we not speculate and just dispatch Chelsea today, if nothing but to keep any discerning doubters in their shells. That still doesn't preclude the fact that Arsenal is obviously challenging for the title. You would at least have to admit that a team that's at or near the top of the table this time of the season is competing for the title.
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Dec 23 2013, 02:11 PM
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We buy no one - we manage with Poldi.
Exactly,..AW is the kind of manager who shows 'long' faith in what he has! I'm not expecting any striker to come in, not until someone tells me we are really vying for the title.
The Gunners are really vying for the title.
... then someone who can score goals has to be acquired! We can't rely on midfielders, I mean we can't have a midfielder as our top scorer if we are serious about the title.
I don't get why you need someone to tell you that a team that's been top of the league for most of the season is vying for the title? I don't get that. And our interest in bringing in another striker is well documented. We were even trying to sign Ba on loan. So to say that we don't *want* to sign a striker because Wenger will just stick with what he has is wrong. Anyway, what you've just said is repeating a cliche without considering facts. Many teams have won titles with goalscoring midfielders. There's more than one way of winning in football. For example, when Chelsea won the title in 2005, their top scorer was Lampard, with 19 goals. Gudjohnson had just 12 goals in 30 starts in the league. Drogba had 10 goals in 18 starts. As I've said before, if you have a striker who allows the midfielders to play and score goals, then you don't need him to be prolific. With Ramsey, Walcott, Podolski, Cazorla behind him, Giroud doesn't need to score 25 goals, because the midfielders are prolific. But having said that, I'd love for us to have a striker who can score goals. Right now Giroud is the kind of player who you can't rely on to put away chances in big games, or score from half-chances. When we had RvP, we knew that going into the game if you could create 1 chance for him he would put it away. It made us more dangerous in the big games. It's no coincidence that when RvP has played we have always beaten Chelsea. And now Man City with Aguero and Liverpool with Suarez have the same sort of confidence of scoring goals. And that can make the difference in the title race. So I agree with you that to be a real force in the league and CL, we need a big striker who can get us crucial goals.
Are you serious? While commendable that we were/are top of the league, its common knowledge that that came at a time when our major rivals were transitioning. Now that they seem to have hit their stride we are beginning to see them close the gap. That's why I feel we need to undress Chelsea, not just to prevent another loss to Jose, but to make a statement that we are not 'tapering'! If we lose today, imagine the media onslaught, let alone will our players have the mental fortitude to rebound. I would rather hope we not speculate and just dispatch Chelsea today, if nothing but to keep any discerning doubters in their shells.
That still doesn't preclude the fact that Arsenal is obviously challenging for the title. You would at least have to admit that a team that's at or near the top of the table this time of the season is competing for the title. Fair, I concede,...our league standing does give credence to that. I hope we stay put,...because I'm sure you can also admit we are the only club (of the top teams) that had a higher degree of 'continuity' when this season kicked off...
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Dec 23 2013, 03:24 PM
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We buy no one - we manage with Poldi.
Exactly,..AW is the kind of manager who shows 'long' faith in what he has! I'm not expecting any striker to come in, not until someone tells me we are really vying for the title.
The Gunners are really vying for the title.
... then someone who can score goals has to be acquired! We can't rely on midfielders, I mean we can't have a midfielder as our top scorer if we are serious about the title.
I don't get why you need someone to tell you that a team that's been top of the league for most of the season is vying for the title? I don't get that. And our interest in bringing in another striker is well documented. We were even trying to sign Ba on loan. So to say that we don't *want* to sign a striker because Wenger will just stick with what he has is wrong. Anyway, what you've just said is repeating a cliche without considering facts. Many teams have won titles with goalscoring midfielders. There's more than one way of winning in football. For example, when Chelsea won the title in 2005, their top scorer was Lampard, with 19 goals. Gudjohnson had just 12 goals in 30 starts in the league. Drogba had 10 goals in 18 starts. As I've said before, if you have a striker who allows the midfielders to play and score goals, then you don't need him to be prolific. With Ramsey, Walcott, Podolski, Cazorla behind him, Giroud doesn't need to score 25 goals, because the midfielders are prolific. But having said that, I'd love for us to have a striker who can score goals. Right now Giroud is the kind of player who you can't rely on to put away chances in big games, or score from half-chances. When we had RvP, we knew that going into the game if you could create 1 chance for him he would put it away. It made us more dangerous in the big games. It's no coincidence that when RvP has played we have always beaten Chelsea. And now Man City with Aguero and Liverpool with Suarez have the same sort of confidence of scoring goals. And that can make the difference in the title race. So I agree with you that to be a real force in the league and CL, we need a big striker who can get us crucial goals.
Are you serious? While commendable that we were/are top of the league, its common knowledge that that came at a time when our major rivals were transitioning. Now that they seem to have hit their stride we are beginning to see them close the gap. That's why I feel we need to undress Chelsea, not just to prevent another loss to Jose, but to make a statement that we are not 'tapering'! If we lose today, imagine the media onslaught, let alone will our players have the mental fortitude to rebound. I would rather hope we not speculate and just dispatch Chelsea today, if nothing but to keep any discerning doubters in their shells.
That still doesn't preclude the fact that Arsenal is obviously challenging for the title. You would at least have to admit that a team that's at or near the top of the table this time of the season is competing for the title.
Fair, I concede,...our league standing does give credence to that. I hope we stay put,...because I'm sure you can also admit we are the only club (of the top teams) that had a higher degree of 'continuity' when this season kicked off... We are challenging for the title. But AH is right. One of the main reasons why we are leafing right now is because our main rivals are still in transition. They will get better. arsenal has to get better also.
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Dec 23 2013, 05:24 PM
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Our rivals may very well be transitioning, but it doesn't change the fact that we had gathered enough points to be in the title challenge for any season. Last year at this stage we'd be 4 points behind Man U. We'd only be 3 behind the Invincibles. And if you compare that to where we were at this point last season, you can see the improvement we've made in our form. So if we're talking about "objectives," it's clear what the objective is. And we are still looking to improve the team, we're still looking to bring in another striker in the summer if not in January.
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Dec 23 2013, 05:29 PM
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While you might say that Chelsea would never sell us Lukaku I would have said that Madrid would not have sold us Ozil. Sometimes you'll be surprised at what you can pick up just due to relationships with their existing club. It would not surprise me if Jose would sell him to concentrate on "bigger" striking options. They'd also be giving Everton a poke in the eye who are looking to be a title rival.
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Dec 23 2013, 05:40 PM
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While you might say that Chelsea would never sell us Lukaku I would have said that Madrid would not have sold us Ozil. Sometimes you'll be surprised at what you can pick up just due to relationships with their existing club. It would not surprise me if Jose would sell him to concentrate on "bigger" striking options. They'd also be giving Everton a poke in the eye who are looking to be a title rival. Ozil is not in the same league though. I mean, players do move among rival clubs but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. You'd have thought Liverpool would sell Suarez for 40m but even for that money they held firm.
And the bigger sticking point for me is what the price would be. To sell to us it would have to be a huge sum of money, which I'd rather spend on a player who's more of a "finished product." But yeah if we could do a Lass type deal for Lukaku for 10m-ish I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Dec 23 2013, 05:53 PM
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Chelsea won't sell us Lukaku. Just like Liverpool won't sell us Suarez. And Lukaku isn't what we need anyway. He's a young player with a lot of potential but not worth blowing 30m over. We need to go for the top strikers.
And reliable reports are saying that we are seriously interested in Diego Costa. And I'm sure players like Dzeko, Lewandowski, etc are on the radar.
But any big move that happens will be over the summer. No one's going to sell a key player in the middle of the season.
So yeah, I think we will rely on Poldi/Walcott/Bendner/Sanogo as back up to Giroud for the rest of the season. Will it be enough? I don't know. I wish Podolski hadn't gotten injured as he would've certainly worked on his game as a no.9. It's 4 months of development wasted.
Can't say what we have will be enough but if we've lasted half the season on top of the table then why not the other half? Dzeko. You're not allowed say that name! It's banned, banned I tell you. He from some unheard of nation in southeast europeland, somehwhere that isn't the Côte d'Ivoirrre. 
I agree about Lukaku. He's a big man, and a skillful one but not the polished assemblage of the two qualities that makes me think he's the finished article, and anyway Chelsea would be off their rockers to sell when there is no penalty for having enough pros to sustain three premier league teams.
Don't agree with what you said about Lewanadowski or Costa. players like these only move in January if there is some source of unhappiness at their present clubs.
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Dec 23 2013, 05:57 PM
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Yes, Santry, I said I don't see Lewa or Costa moving this January. Or really any striker who is contributing. Players don't want to leave mid season and the clubs usually don't want to sell either.
But I do wonder, with the title most likely gone, if Dortmund wouldn't mind getting a bit of money for Lewandowski in January.
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