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Topic Started: Dec 23 2013, 09:33 AM (3,173 Views)
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cruyff_turn
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Jan 2 2014, 05:48 PM
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- Jan 2 2014, 02:18 PM
The Sun is really pushing the Berbatov to Arsenal rumour, there are also rumours that we are in for Remy from Castle as well.
Berbatov would not be a bad signing, in terms of technical ability, he is better than Giroud and he's hold up play is very good. However he won't work as hard as Giroud and probably won't have as much aerial presence.
One thing we all realized with the game yesterday when we played Podolski upfront is that while Giroud has had his goal droughts, he actually leads the line quite well, much better than Podolski for sure. That is because he moves well off the ball, he wins most of the aerial balls, he holds up the ball well and in doing these things he creates space for his team mates, he's link up play is actually good.
I doubt Wenger is thinking right now that he needs to sign a striker who will relegate Giroud to the bench, he probably wants someone who would allow him to rotate his squad better because Giroud has played 18 of our 20 league games so far this season and maybe a lack of rest has contributed to his dip in form.
In terms of technical ability he's not better than Giroud. He sometimes gets goals (only 4 this season) because he is a pure goal hanger. His time at Old Trafford ended precisely because he wasn't making runs or getting involved in play. Now he's 2 and a half years older. There might be things about his abilities to pass to team mates in his favour. I think he still takes a good free kick. But do you really think he's that good? All that said, I think the signing Wenger goes after will be someone like Berbatov! Hitting the later years of a career and on a very short term contract.
Berbatov's technique is better than most all strikers I've ever seen. It's Ozil-quality stuff. Your second point on his lack of running is spot on, and the only thing that concerns me. I'm convinced we don't need a 40M-pound signing at striker to win us the league this season, though we'd do well to get one over the summer if we want to make a real push for the CL. Berbatov now and Costa over the summer? I'd cream my jeans. Also, apparently Sanogo has already welcomed him? https://www.facebook.com/YayaSanogoal/posts/560081260747938:0
Would you say he shows this superiority often? I'd like to see that because for basically the last four years he's been ordinary. I know he has a brilliant touch, I know he passes as well as any midfielder. My issue is he is not mobile enough or focused enough (or both) to do anything with the talent. First touch, two-footedness, varied weight and range of passing from a number of angles off the boot; these are all things I would describe as technical qualities.
And yeah, I agree work rate might be a worry, but this is a chance for Berba to finally win something of note, and to stick it to a few of the doubters. Also, if there's any manager that can bring out the best in this kind of player, isn't it Wenger?
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dsch15
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Jan 2 2014, 05:59 PM
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I think Berbatov might just have a bit of a renaissance at Arsenal. I don't see a lot of him, but when I do, he always looks exasperated by his Fulham teammates' inability to get him the ball. He actually finds some good spots - they just don't even look for him or, when they do, can't deliver the necessary quality. Cazorla, Ozil, Ramsey, Wilshire, Rosicky et. al. have quality in spades. They'll deliver the ball as needed and also provide nice targets for Berbatov's own slick passing.
So yes, his work rate is a concern, but few things are as motivating to a striker as good delivery and support. He's not a game changer - and it sounds like we're all reconciled to the fact none will be coming in January - but he could be the guy to keep things on simmer when Giroud struggles or needs a break.
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rasjamaican
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Jan 2 2014, 06:00 PM
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- cruyff_turn
- Jan 2 2014, 05:48 PM
- santry_gooner
- Jan 2 2014, 05:30 PM
- cruyff_turn
- Jan 2 2014, 05:16 PM
- santry_gooner
- Jan 2 2014, 05:07 PM
- rasjamaican
- Jan 2 2014, 02:18 PM
The Sun is really pushing the Berbatov to Arsenal rumour, there are also rumours that we are in for Remy from Castle as well.
Berbatov would not be a bad signing, in terms of technical ability, he is better than Giroud and he's hold up play is very good. However he won't work as hard as Giroud and probably won't have as much aerial presence.
One thing we all realized with the game yesterday when we played Podolski upfront is that while Giroud has had his goal droughts, he actually leads the line quite well, much better than Podolski for sure. That is because he moves well off the ball, he wins most of the aerial balls, he holds up the ball well and in doing these things he creates space for his team mates, he's link up play is actually good.
I doubt Wenger is thinking right now that he needs to sign a striker who will relegate Giroud to the bench, he probably wants someone who would allow him to rotate his squad better because Giroud has played 18 of our 20 league games so far this season and maybe a lack of rest has contributed to his dip in form.
In terms of technical ability he's not better than Giroud. He sometimes gets goals (only 4 this season) because he is a pure goal hanger. His time at Old Trafford ended precisely because he wasn't making runs or getting involved in play. Now he's 2 and a half years older. There might be things about his abilities to pass to team mates in his favour. I think he still takes a good free kick. But do you really think he's that good? All that said, I think the signing Wenger goes after will be someone like Berbatov! Hitting the later years of a career and on a very short term contract.
Berbatov's technique is better than most all strikers I've ever seen. It's Ozil-quality stuff. Your second point on his lack of running is spot on, and the only thing that concerns me. I'm convinced we don't need a 40M-pound signing at striker to win us the league this season, though we'd do well to get one over the summer if we want to make a real push for the CL. Berbatov now and Costa over the summer? I'd cream my jeans. Also, apparently Sanogo has already welcomed him? https://www.facebook.com/YayaSanogoal/posts/560081260747938:0
Would you say he shows this superiority often? I'd like to see that because for basically the last four years he's been ordinary. I know he has a brilliant touch, I know he passes as well as any midfielder. My issue is he is not mobile enough or focused enough (or both) to do anything with the talent.
First touch, two-footedness, varied weight and range of passing from a number of angles off the boot; these are all things I would describe as technical qualities. And yeah, I agree work rate might be a worry, but this is a chance for Berba to finally win something of note, and to stick it to a few of the doubters. Also, if there's any manager that can bring out the best in this kind of player, isn't it Wenger? "Berbatov's technique is better than most all strikers I've ever seen."
I must say I agree, its the one thing that I always admired about Berbatov, in terms of technical ability he was almost as good as Zidane. He's first touch is honestly one of the best I have ever seen in football anywhere.
He has only scored 4 goals in the league this season but he is playing for 16th place Fulham, I believe he is still good enough for a goal every now and then. In fact, this might not be a popular statement, but I would go as far as saying that Berbatov is probably a better finisher than Giroud. He also is used to big games in the league and in Europe and he isn't cup tied.
He isn't going to be a replacement for Giroud and the team would always benefit more from Giroud starting but I still believe he would be a very useful signing. There are certainly positives to this signing.
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rasjamaican
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Jan 2 2014, 06:08 PM
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We all know how difficult it is to land big names in January, so in terms of realistic targets, Berbatov for 2 million pounds might not be a bad deal.
Or we could continue lusting over Diego Costa, Dzeko, Lukaku, Ba, Lewandowski, etc
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santry_gooner
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Jan 2 2014, 06:10 PM
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Ok, good points in the last few points. My issue remains that Giroud is so much more than a striker. He works as hard as a pit donkey. We've discussed many times here that the effect of his presence in stringing a move together is vital, and if not finishing off moves he does provide for others to do so. He's able to do that because he runs efficiently and selflessly into spaces.
Berbatov is a completely different kind of player. If we are picking him he won't offer nay of these things. I suppose my point is that the whole forward line has to change in order to accommodate him. That's easy to say, less easy to do. Look at Poldi yesterday.
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cruyff_turn
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Jan 2 2014, 06:14 PM
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Ok, good points in the last few points. My issue remains that Giroud is so much more than a striker. He works as hard as a pit donkey. We've discussed many times here that the effect of his presence in stringing a move together is vital, and if not finishing off moves he does provide for others to do so. He's able to do that because he runs efficiently and selflessly into spaces.
Berbatov is a completely different kind of player. If we are picking him he won't offer nay of these things. I suppose my point is that the whole forward line has to change in order to accommodate him. That's easy to say, less easy to do. Look at Poldi yesterday. I think Berbatov understands the movement of a striker better than Poldi, who never really seemed to understand when, or where to make runs behind defenders. Also, knowing where to go in the box. Just look at the goal Berbatov scored for Fulham yesterday. He was right on the edge of the defender at the back post. Another step and he would have been offside, but he had a simple tap-in.
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rasjamaican
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Jan 2 2014, 06:21 PM
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Ok, good points in the last few points. My issue remains that Giroud is so much more than a striker. He works as hard as a pit donkey. We've discussed many times here that the effect of his presence in stringing a move together is vital, and if not finishing off moves he does provide for others to do so. He's able to do that because he runs efficiently and selflessly into spaces.
Berbatov is a completely different kind of player. If we are picking him he won't offer nay of these things. I suppose my point is that the whole forward line has to change in order to accommodate him. That's easy to say, less easy to do. Look at Poldi yesterday. In relation to your first paragraph, I agree. If you notice I wasn't knocking the contribution of Giroud this season and I even said that Berbatov would not be a replacement for Giroud.
In relation to your second paragraph, I actually think Berbatov would play the role of the central striker better than Podolski. He has played that role throughout his career while Podolski is known to favour attacking down the left side. As I also said, Berba's hold up play is quite good once he has talented midfielders around him.
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Jan 2 2014, 06:44 PM
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- rasjamaican
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We all know how difficult it is to land big names in January, so in terms of realistic targets, Berbatov for 2 million pounds might not be a bad deal.
Or we could continue lusting over Diego Costa, Dzeko, Lukaku, Ba, Lewandowski, etc shouldnt b lusting if awful emirates negotiators actually do their job & stan gives out bread 2 splash. title is there 4 us 2 buy. berbs aint bad but if winning is everything we should go all out & grab costa. peace out.
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Jan 2 2014, 06:46 PM
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Ok, good points in the last few points. My issue remains that Giroud is so much more than a striker. He works as hard as a pit donkey. We've discussed many times here that the effect of his presence in stringing a move together is vital, and if not finishing off moves he does provide for others to do so. He's able to do that because he runs efficiently and selflessly into spaces.
Berbatov is a completely different kind of player. If we are picking him he won't offer nay of these things. I suppose my point is that the whole forward line has to change in order to accommodate him. That's easy to say, less easy to do. Look at Poldi yesterday. our forward line aint exactly prolific so change may actually help us.
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Jan 2 2014, 06:50 PM
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I know it seems a strange thing to say about a forward but Giroud helps us massively defensively as well. He clears so many corners it's ridiculous, more than the centre backs.
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