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Olympus Dragons (Gold, Silver, Bronze); Air, Lightning, Earth elements
Topic Started: Jul 27 2012, 02:12 PM (13,614 Views)
LiberKhaos
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Before everything, there was nothing. And no one complained about it.
So hum yeah. 3 new dragons, one new habitat no idea how to get them yet...[R4E]title update[/R4E]
Edited by Sylvandyr, Apr 22 2013, 06:20 PM.
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divergent
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I've been getting quakes and a crystal. Bad timing :(
Mabuhay!
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Sylvandyr
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Here's what makes me think that at least two of the Olympus Dragons will have to be permanent unless rules change.

When the Leap Year Dragon expired, breeding a Leap Year Dragon with a Rainbow always resulted in a Rainbow (permanent dragon).

When the Solstice Dragon expired, breeding a Solstice Dragon with a Sun always resulted in a Sun (permanent dragon).

If none of the Olympus dragons are permanent and different kinds are bred together, there will be no fallback permanent dragon. If our assumption that breeding two different kinds of Olympus can only result in one of those two kinds is correct, then two out of three dragons (doesn't matter which two, but it must be at least two) would need to be permanent to provide potential permanent offspring for each combo. A + B = A or B, B + C = B, A + C = A.

That's assuming that Backflip doesn't change rules, though. While I think it would make a lot more sense if the Olympus dragons were permanent (and the habitat lighting up is the only limited tribute to the Olympics), I'm still not going to take my chances. I'll be trying to get the Olympus dragons as fast as I can. With the gemstone dragon looming up, though, I'm getting a little worried. I get at least one Crystal dragon a day.
Edited by Sylvandyr, Jul 30 2012, 07:39 AM.
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LiberKhaos
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Before everything, there was nothing. And no one complained about it.
BarneyMaroon
Jul 30 2012, 03:20 AM
LiberKhaos
Jul 29 2012, 07:15 PM
I have ill-rotten good luck... So far I got 2 Golds and 4 Bronzes... That's really cool but I'd need at least 1 Silver before they "go away"(yes, I'm part of those who think they are limited.
I am shocked by how quickly people get dragons. I have been hammer-and-tong on breeding since release and have one olympus (of unknown metal) so far. I would guess it would take me a few weeks to breed the set. Maybe I need some new friends (funone021) for some more gems! I try and keep 6 friends and swap daily - but two of my friends have moved on - so looking for another two if anyone has space.
I had over 1200 gems before the olympus dragons came out. That is because I've been playing since September, bought a few packs and thanks to a lot of wiki users giving me gems without asking anything in return... Well except for the close to 10 hrs a day I spend over there on my blogs and solving people's problem as an admin.
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I'm feeling fortunate so far cause I've hardly used any gems. Maybe like 20 total, and between my 2 games I have one Gold and one Bronze and then I have another Olympus brewing in each game. We'll see what happens when the August gemstone arrives, but I think I will be able to breed for both types of dragons without too many issues.
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RuffianRules

Oh, I meant to comment on the "limited vs. permanent" issue. I know these were released without notice, but usually if something is limited it is followed shortly by the Wizard banner that says "breed the Olympus dragon before it goes away on __________" and we haven't seen that at all and it's been since Friday. So, I still lean toward the fact that they're permanent.
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on the other hand, there's at least 2 more weeks left of the olympus dragons, whereas BFS is currently focusing on the ruby dragon expiring on Wednesday (they just posted that expiration warning on facebook today). So the lack of an expiration warning regarding the olympus dragons isn't necessarily a sign of their permanence at this point.

I kind of hope they are limited because I think limited dragons are more fun ; )
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Unlike ruffian, I am not having an easy time of it. No sign of olympus yet in either account. I am hoping that I will get peridot within a couple attempts this time as opposed to last month's 70 attempts so that I won't have to waste much time on it. I wish we knew for sure whether olympus are permanent or not. Then we could know which one takes priority for breeding.
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wapatango
Jul 30 2012, 02:42 PM
Unlike ruffian, I am not having an easy time of it. No sign of olympus yet in either account. I am hoping that I will get peridot within a couple attempts this time as opposed to last month's 70 attempts so that I won't have to waste much time on it. I wish we knew for sure whether olympus are permanent or not. Then we could know which one takes priority for breeding.
Ditto. I think they are limited as the Olympics have an end date. It just does not seem right that we will have the ability to breed these dragons after the games are over. Same as saint Patrick, valentine's day etc. etc.
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Sylvandyr
Jul 30 2012, 07:38 AM
Here's what makes me think that at least two of the Olympus Dragons will have to be permanent unless rules change.

When the Leap Year Dragon expired, breeding a Leap Year Dragon with a Rainbow always resulted in a Rainbow (permanent dragon).

When the Solstice Dragon expired, breeding a Solstice Dragon with a Sun always resulted in a Sun (permanent dragon).

If none of the Olympus dragons are permanent and different kinds are bred together, there will be no fallback permanent dragon. If our assumption that breeding two different kinds of Olympus can only result in one of those two kinds is correct, then two out of three dragons (doesn't matter which two, but it must be at least two) would need to be permanent to provide potential permanent offspring for each combo. A + B = A or B, B + C = B, A + C = A.

That's assuming that Backflip doesn't change rules, though. While I think it would make a lot more sense if the Olympus dragons were permanent (and the habitat lighting up is the only limited tribute to the Olympics), I'm still not going to take my chances. I'll be trying to get the Olympus dragons as fast as I can. With the gemstone dragon looming up, though, I'm getting a little worried. I get at least one Crystal dragon a day.
While that does sort of make sense, it's not logical that only 2 of them would be permanent. Therefore, if 3 are permanent there is no need for a fall back dragon. And if none of the 3 are permanent ... well there is no fall back dragon.

It seems the rule are nicely set for the less of the two dragons to be the offspring, thereby doing away with the need for a fall back dragon. 56 Gold + Silvers have given me nothing but silvers. Will try and get a couple of hundred done to test, but I think that rule is a good one for a limited dragon, and possibly why they put it in place.

Para Olympics end on September 9th, so plenty of time still. Hope the flame stays lit till then.

And just checking that you're using a combo with Plant and Fire in there for a heap of short fails.
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Fletch_smf
Jul 30 2012, 09:18 PM
While that does sort of make sense, it's not logical that only 2 of them would be permanent. Therefore, if 3 are permanent there is no need for a fall back dragon. And if none of the 3 are permanent ... well there is no fall back dragon.
That's why I think that all three would be permanent, or they'd have to change the rules. According to the rules right now, there cannot be no fallback dragon. If these dragons are going to follow the currently assumed rules, it is absolutely necessary to have at least two of them be permanent (and as you said, it makes no sense for only two of them to be).

If you breed something with something, you must get something back. The only time you don't is if they cannot be bred. But they have been bred already, so. Either these dragons are permanent (because current rules force them to be) or some core breeding rules are changing. And I'm not talking arbitrary stuff like Sun = Lightning + Cold vs. Solstice = Blazing + Earth, elements are just elements - this is something more fundamental than that. Of course, BFS has proven that they're not afraid to change rules, so we really can't tell until they decide to let us know.

I wish we'd get a word either way. In the meantime I'm just gonna keep trying. And nah, I'm not using Plant + Fire because Murphy's law will throw in a couple Rainbows (yup, still sore about 4 freaking 48 hours trying for one Emerald). I don't have the luxury babysit Flowers and Poisons with my job anyway. I'll start coding something and then I'll look at my watch and it'll be 2 hours later. Good combo for people who have time to check though.

[EDIT]: Oh, I get what you're saying. They may have implemented a special case rule for Olympus dragons that overrides the fact that limited dragons cannot be bred outside their window aside from using a like pair. So the rules could already have been changed, but since Olympus dragons have that whole gold-silver-copper trophy thing going on, it's an isolated case that doesn't affect other limited dragons. That does make sense.
Edited by Sylvandyr, Jul 31 2012, 08:06 AM.
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So what has been the best chance to get these dragons?
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LiberKhaos
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Before everything, there was nothing. And no one complained about it.
Wow! So for statistic's sake, it took me 200 gems and two days to get 2 Golds and 4 Bronze, and then an adittional 2 days and 600 gems to get only 1 Silver... Good thing the second one is easy to breed...
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Jul 29 2012, 04:21 AM
wapatango
Jul 28 2012, 07:46 PM
I notice that on the wiki it lists these dragons as limited. Is that based on an announcement such as on FB or is that based on speculation? If limited, when do we speculate they might disappear? I believe the olympics ends on the 12th of August. I would hope that the three dragons wouldn't disappear then.
Speculation, I still hope they are here to stay
Based on "rules" that we don't speculate on the Wiki, I really think we should remove indication that these are limited until we know for sure. Have we ever had a limited out more than a day or two without BFS officially stating they are limited?
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xero37
Jul 31 2012, 02:24 PM
So what has been the best chance to get these dragons?
I have 3 bronze and 1 gold. Another one breeding but don't know yet what it is. I have used a bit more than 100 gems to speed up incubation. I initially used blazing and crystal and then switch to air and quake. So these two combos worked for me.
Edited by Acquablau, Jul 31 2012, 07:00 PM.
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Now breeding my first Olympus dragon just before the release of the new gemstone. Im hoping that it would be a gold :)
Mabuhay!
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