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Garnet (Smoke + Obsidian); January Gemstone dragon
Topic Started: Dec 19 2012, 09:49 PM (16,405 Views)
ForgeIsTheKing
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I am taking my kids on vacation until New Year and most likely a lot of you won't be online as much for next week and a half, so why don't we start speculating.

1. I do hope that BFS developers are on vacation too, so I am guessing we wouldn't see garnet until January 2nd
2. Reading wikipedia - this is a tough one to guess! Nothing obvious from chemical composition (and BFS doesn't seem to pay much attention to chemistry anyway). This gemstone comes in many colors, even worse - it changes color depending on the light! A chameleon dragon, anyone?

Without sneak preview and the description - I am not sure what to suggest.

"The gemstone varieties occur in shades of green, red, yellow, and orange."
Plant, fire, lightning and - flower?[R4E]title update[/R4E]
Edited by Sylvandyr, Jan 2 2013, 12:58 PM.
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dharasick

Again, another reminder not to look to the appearance of the dragon for clues and just stick to the descriptions we get.

Not sure why this dragon is such a swimmer when water is nowhere to be found.
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Nicely done everyone.
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LiberKhaos
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Before everything, there was nothing. And no one complained about it.
dharasick
Jan 2 2013, 10:47 AM
Again, another reminder not to look to the appearance of the dragon for clues and just stick to the descriptions we get.

Not sure why this dragon is such a swimmer when water is nowhere to be found.
The idea is to throw us off. Gemstone dragons have gone through every stage, from being entirely based on appearance, to being about the color, to movement patterns, to relying on it's chemical composition then the description. At this point, there's so very little constant that it feels more like mindless breeding than anything.

Importantly, when you spam strings of 50 dragon breedings together, you quickly lose the ability to think for yourself or do anything intelligent. Yesterday at midnight, I would have probably lost a spelling contest to a decapitated zombie(the part without the head). All that to say, if the people watching have idea based on any of the previous factor, don't hesitate to slip them to us when you see we start running out of intelligent ideas and turn into automates of dragon mating.
Edited by LiberKhaos, Jan 2 2013, 12:45 PM.
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wapatango
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congrats on your quick success Societal
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dharasick

So what next then? How do we start on February 1?

The descriptions almost always give us the clues, right? Too lazy to check for exceptions... wasn't Sapphire fairly random?
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LiberKhaos
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dharasick
Jan 2 2013, 01:37 PM
So what next then? How do we start on February 1?

The descriptions almost always give us the clues, right? Too lazy to check for exceptions... wasn't Sapphire fairly random?
Teamwork is our best bet. Someone keeping tabs of what's been tried, breeders starting by following their intuition then listening to people's suggestions, people watching as many sites as possible for clues. If you ask me, description, appearance, move pattern, color, chemical properties of the stone... Everything is FairPlay. What matters is not who finds it and how but to actually find it. Preferably never again in more than 8 hrs. I know yesterday was in big part due to "reduced personel" but I still remember October and those first day of the month are getting painful.
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LiberKhaos
Jan 2 2013, 02:10 PM
dharasick
Jan 2 2013, 01:37 PM
So what next then? How do we start on February 1?

The descriptions almost always give us the clues, right? Too lazy to check for exceptions... wasn't Sapphire fairly random?
Teamwork is our best bet. Someone keeping tabs of what's been tried, breeders starting by following their intuition then listening to people's suggestions, people watching as many sites as possible for clues. If you ask me, description, appearance, move pattern, color, chemical properties of the stone... Everything is FairPlay. What matters is not who finds it and how but to actually find it. Preferably never again in more than 8 hrs. I know yesterday was in big part due to "reduced personel" but I still remember October and those first day of the month are getting painful.
The good news, Liber, is that we only have 3 gem dragons left!

Can you all believe that we have lived through 9 gem dragons so far?! I kinda remember November 1st being the worst until now. That was when I was on my Kentucky trip and it took us about 8 or 9 hours that day to figure out Topaz. *** shudders***

I do think the limiteds were messing with out testing. Hopefully the next 3 gems won't be as bad.

The last couple pairings have been rather forgiving, but this Garnet not so much. Smoke and Lava fails are kinda long, but considering what some of the fails in the past have been, this is still a pretty good pairing.
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For February, I think it would be interesting if once we determine the level, that those testing pick one dragon of that upper level as their primary focus. For example, in the case of a level 14 Gem Dragon, someone would pick Fog and start pairing that with what makes sense or what feels right. If nothing else it would help with the mindless not knowing what to try issue that LiberKhaos mentioned by giving the testers a smaller field to go after.
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Before everything, there was nothing. And no one complained about it.
Yeah... 3 left... It's what we'll get after I'm worried(yes I know, my glass is half-empty).

I'm not sure limited reduce our chances... I'm fairly certain it's a fixed percentage and only common dragons took a beating as far as probabilities go this last month. As for collaterals, the only way it could get worst than Peridot would be with a combo that could give Olympus. Anything else is a blessing if you ask me.
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Kind of bummed that I couldn't help out. Gosh, I'm scared of this combo right now... Solar Eclipse is a fail. I need a display egg and all, but I’ll be happier when SED leaves the market.
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congrats and thanks to the testers/record keepers.
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Adding water bubbles as a trail during the racing really threw us off. There is obviously little we can do.

The problem with a Level 14 dragon is that it can contain Water OR Air so we have a much larger combination of dragons. If it was Level 17, then it could contain any dragons, but at lease we would know that one of them had to contain a Metal. Emerald, Peridot and Topaz were sweet because the capped out at Lightning, so there were a lot less dragons in the mix. And of course, when Emerald was released there were 10 less regular dragons or something, which made it easier.

I do like the idea of someone grabbing a dragon and trying all the combinations with it, but that's a crazy amount of breeding. There are 12 Air Dragons, and 11 other dragons it can breed with. 132 combinations. Breeding 30 times each is about 4000 breedings required. (or possibly just 1 if we're very lucky). About 40 000 gems spent to speed them up. The last couple of times we have just confirmed the combo found by some random posting at the Wiki. I think this is likely to be the case again for the last few gemstones, and the horoscope dragons, or what ever happens next.

Having said that, I think I will work on a breeding grid or something for next month. A chart I throw up on Google Docs that people can edit when they have tried a combo so we can see what has been tried. Then we can highlight by colour and element selection as a starting point.

Also, first combo with 2 uncommon dragons. Just wanted to point that out.
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Fletch_smf
Jan 2 2013, 05:16 PM
Adding water bubbles as a trail during the racing really threw us off. There is obviously little we can do.

The problem with a Level 14 dragon is that it can contain Water OR Air so we have a much larger combination of dragons. If it was Level 17, then it could contain any dragons, but at lease we would know that one of them had to contain a Metal. Emerald, Peridot and Topaz were sweet because the capped out at Lightning, so there were a lot less dragons in the mix. And of course, when Emerald was released there were 10 less regular dragons or something, which made it easier.

I do like the idea of someone grabbing a dragon and trying all the combinations with it, but that's a crazy amount of breeding. There are 12 Air Dragons, and 11 other dragons it can breed with. 132 combinations. Breeding 30 times each is about 4000 breedings required. (or possibly just 1 if we're very lucky). About 40 000 gems spent to speed them up. The last couple of times we have just confirmed the combo found by some random posting at the Wiki. I think this is likely to be the case again for the last few gemstones, and the horoscope dragons, or what ever happens next.

Having said that, I think I will work on a breeding grid or something for next month. A chart I throw up on Google Docs that people can edit when they have tried a combo so we can see what has been tried. Then we can highlight by colour and element selection as a starting point.

Also, first combo with 2 uncommon dragons. Just wanted to point that out.
very good point. if you don't get the chart done in time, i'll try to help. im having surgery in a few weeks, so i won't be doing anything but laying around the house anyways
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CryHavoc91
Jan 2 2013, 05:37 PM
very good point. if you don't get the chart done in time, i'll try to help. im having surgery in a few weeks, so i won't be doing anything but laying around the house anyways
Cheers for that.

Step 1. Creating a grid of all the hybrids.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsQlB8i5pltpdHdYSklyNS1td0FxTnlUQ3Z3QlpwUHc

Have listed them with the primary element as the bg colour and the secondary element as the text colour. Opposites have a Pink BG because that's a colour not used by the elements. Pretty confident no opposite will be used in the combo for a gemstone dragon.

I've made this viewable to all, but editable by none. Let me know if anyone is having problems see it. On the day should we make it available to all to edit, or is that asking for trouble? Should we just make it available to a few, as I'm possibly asleep when it's released because of my time zone?

EDIT: Started Step 2 which is making a 36 x 36 grid of all the hybrids. It's probably pretty safe to say there will be more than 2 elements in a Gemstone? So it would never be Flower + Poison for example?

EDIT the 2nd: I was thinking of making a couple of different ones, depending on what level the dragon is, but I think I'll just make one and then it will be easy enough to delete the rows and columns we don't need from the grid, or just black them out.
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Should I wait for the limiteds lot leave? I don't want to get SE.
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