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Double Rainbow Dragon; 4 distinct elements
Topic Started: Jun 4 2013, 11:26 AM (12,989 Views)
Suncrusher
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Edited by Sylvandyr, Jun 21 2013, 02:44 PM.
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PixieWA
Jun 18 2013, 04:38 PM
essiw
Jun 18 2013, 03:33 PM
Suncrusher
Jun 18 2013, 06:36 AM
We need to hire a statistician to tell us which results are significant. ANOVA, anyone?
I could do one-way ANOVA in SPSS, though I don't know how to insert the information to be meaningful...

@sylv, true, that is why you normally make hypothesises before testing ;) you only test those hypothesises. Also you need to consider what "significant" is, one person can find a 20% significant and an other will find a chance less than 0,01% significant.
Erm....are you saying I'm wasting my time and tapping?

@ Womantrarae - Yep, have all the faith in the world BFS could make changes that would make all the testing moot.
I am not sure how you came to that conclusion... you hypothesis before testing was to see if there are differences in the level of dragons used to breed the DR or something like that right? Also you can use current results to make new hypothesis and test those by continuing testing to see if the new tests confirm your hypothesises.
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azurile13
Jun 18 2013, 09:13 PM
Sylvandyr
Jun 18 2013, 09:57 AM
Suncrusher
Jun 18 2013, 06:36 AM
We need to hire a statistician to tell us which results are significant. ANOVA, anyone?
A statistician can make whichever results he wants significant :P Sorry to those of this profession out there, but I firmly believe that statistics is math voodoo.
Lol, it actually is true that a statistician can "make whichever results he wants significant" but not because statistics is math voodoo :P Simply because you need to choose a level of confidence. How sure do you want to be? 90%? 95%? 99%?


I think the typical 95% would be acceptable, and it is not true that a statistician can make any set of results meet that 95% CI. Certainly a lot of scientists tend to publish their successful trials and hide their unsuccessful ones, but that has nothing to do with the statistician; it is because they don't want to spend hundreds of hours writing and publishing a so-called "low-impact" paper with results that accepted the null hypothesis. And if a statistician tries to exclude certain data sets in order to meet the 95% CI, then in order to be published, the paper must explain and defend that exclusion criteria so that peer reviewers can decide if the results are valid on their own or only because the unfriendly data was invalidly excluded from statistical analysis. Scientists don't send data to a statistician and say "fudge this data and make it meet the 95% CI when it originally does not;" rather, they say "tell me how many participants I will need in this study I'm designing to improve my changes of finding a significant result when I carry the study out," or "take this data I gathered and graph it so that it looks sexier without changing any of the numbers." If we can trust PixieWA not to hide any data from us and if we can ensure that none of PixieWA's data is being invalidly excluded from statistical analysis simply to give a significant result, then there is no amounts of "voodoo" that will change an insignificant result to a significant one.
Edited by Suncrusher, Jun 19 2013, 08:07 AM.
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With all this talk of statistical significance, I don't want us to lose sight of what is happening. Pixie is almost single-handedly tackling a question we have been wondering about for months. I can not imagine how many hours of repetitive tapping she has already put in. I truly appreciate it because the results are truly interesting, and we are getting closer to knowing how the level differences work. That information is very valuable, so I want to give a HUGE THANK YOU to Pixie for all of her hard work.

@ Pixie, since I can't help do the work, I wanted to let you know how much I appreciate it. I consider your work to be highly valuable and significant, and I look forward to seeing more results as you, and maybe other testers, have time and energy.
Edited by wapatango, Jun 19 2013, 11:51 AM.
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txr13

I'll just chime in here to echo what Wapa says. A huge thank you to Pixie--the results are absolutely fascinating, even to those of us who don't speak up a lot. :)
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ArtKat

I've also found this testing fascinating. It looks like higher level breeding parents improve the chances of getting elemental limiteds, but not those that go in the epic habitats.

Has there been testing in the past to see if higher level parents affect the gemstone dragons? I'm to the point of leveling up another dragon to 15 and having a hard time deciding.
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Womantrarae

@ArtKat: that's where I am, too. With all my dragons at L15 or above, I'm seeing that lower levels have their advantages, so I'm hatching out a younger generation, too. So far, by making some assumptions about Pixie's data (aren't there some other Testers out there to assist?) I've had some success breeding a Bearded a Solstice and a Bluefire by pairing an older and a younger dragon. Since the combination for the gemstone is known, maybe the Powers That Test can be turned toward answering your (Our) question.[R4E]Add[/R4E]
Edited by Womantrarae, Jun 19 2013, 01:48 PM.
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ArtKat

Ha, I'm at the other end of leveling dragons to 15, this next one will be the sixth. I might just have to Google setting up a test account so I can help answer my own questions.
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It dawned on me that I have been very rude and not introduced myself here. Am a retired mom of 2 grown ladies who have been out and on their own for quite some time, been married 40 years to the same guy. Currently live out in the sticks where we have lots of wildlife and peace and quiet. Recognize so many names here from the DragonVale Community forum that I feel right at home, but realize many of you don't know me at all. Hopefully Fletch can vouch for me as we have worked together as admins for over a year.

Testing the gem dragon combo was next on my list before it goes, as a preview for those who don't have July's Ruby. Jade needs to be done, too.

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Womantrarae

Nice to be able to picture a bucolic setting for those flying fingers :)
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Jun 19 2013, 07:51 PM
It dawned on me that I have been very rude and not introduced myself here. Am a retired mom of 2 grown ladies who have been out and on their own for quite some time, been married 40 years to the same guy. Currently live out in the sticks where we have lots of wildlife and peace and quiet. Recognize so many names here from the DragonVale Community forum that I feel right at home, but realize many of you don't know me at all. Hopefully Fletch can vouch for me as we have worked together as admins for over a year.

Testing the gem dragon combo was next on my list before it goes, as a preview for those who don't have July's Ruby. Jade needs to be done, too.
There are so many dragons that need to be tested and so little time. Thanks for using your free time to help all of us. I have only a free minute here and there and no test account, so all I can do is cheer from the sidelines. I know that, like me, Fletch is really busy these days, and I am sure the other testers are too. Pixie is on the front lines at the moment, but I am so thankful for everyone who has been on the front lines at some point. DV would be a very different game without the hard work of all our testers. Your dedication to helping everyone is truly appreciated. I have not forgotten the days you guys spent trying to figure out jade's combo, nor have I forgotten that there are people who find the information being sought without sharing with everyone else. I am so glad to belong to this community of people who are not looking for their own glory but who are truly trying to make the game more enjoyable for all of us. Thanks again to all of our testers.
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PixieWA
Jun 19 2013, 07:51 PM
Hopefully Fletch can vouch for me as we have worked together as admins for over a year.
She's alright. :)
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Jun 19 2013, 09:21 PM
PixieWA
Jun 19 2013, 07:51 PM
Hopefully Fletch can vouch for me as we have worked together as admins for over a year.
She's alright. :)
Hee, a ringing endorsement if ever I heard one! :D
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Jun 20 2013, 10:33 AM
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Jun 19 2013, 09:21 PM
PixieWA
Jun 19 2013, 07:51 PM
Hopefully Fletch can vouch for me as we have worked together as admins for over a year.
She's alright. :)
Hee, a ringing endorsement if ever I heard one! :D
I know.....heartwarming, wasn't it? ;)

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Haha it is no problem that you didn't introduce yourself ;)
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Jun 19 2013, 07:51 PM
It dawned on me that I have been very rude and not introduced myself here...
You introduced yourself to us all with an astounding amount of high-quality testing ;)
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