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Double Rainbow Dragon; 4 distinct elements
Topic Started: Jun 4 2013, 11:26 AM (12,991 Views)
Suncrusher
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Edited by Sylvandyr, Jun 21 2013, 02:44 PM.
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1,000 attempts (Bearded target)
L20 Mountain+Quicksilver
156 Bearded
48 Silver
34 Platinum
12 Rainbow
7 Double Rainbow

Does it require 1, or 2 L20's?


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AktNIkT9lzSpdGpKcmJTeXVUenhpS3BNR0haUVl3akE&usp=sharing

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wapatango
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I would say that is another thing to test.
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PixieWA
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wapatango
Jun 13 2013, 10:23 PM
I would say that is another thing to test.
Yeah, think so too. Have the L12 and L20 stats for Firefly+Willow, so have started running numbers for L20 Firefly + L12 Willow. We'll see.

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Besides testing limited parents, I'm also interested in testing parents who are 3-4 element hybrids. When DR dragons were released, I intuitively tried first using Panlong+Bloom. It made sense to me that if Rainbow dragons are bred with at least 4 elements present, that DR dragons might be bred with >4 elements present. I thought maybe having 7 elements present would give higher chances at breeding DR dragons. I'm aware that PixieWA's test of Love+Salamander technically only has 4 elements present (lightning, plant, fire + water, fire [redundant])...but what if there is simply a bonus to using parents having >2 elements? Such a bonus could also be the cause of combos using Love as a parent giving the best results. I would like to be sure that Love dragons gave such great results because they are limited dragons rather than because they are a super-hybrid parent. Panlong+Bloom being the best combo is still a pet theory of mine, and I'd be very grateful if someone cared to test it! Unfortunately, Panlong and Bloom dragons are also limited, so unless that combo gave a vastly higher rate of DR than simply using two 2-element limited dragons as parents, we wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Edit: I'm confused by the new developments regarding testing limiteds vs. level 20's. Can someone explain to me what's going on with that testing and whether it invalidates my idea?
Edited by Suncrusher, Jun 14 2013, 09:14 AM.
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Womantrarae

Pixie, could you do another 1000 tests, for Bearded if there's time, with level 15's? The drive towards golden shrines gives a natural cut-off point from which to decide Park/Dragon development.
Edited by Womantrarae, Jun 14 2013, 02:41 PM.
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PixieWA
Jun 13 2013, 11:24 PM
wapatango
Jun 13 2013, 10:23 PM
I would say that is another thing to test.
Yeah, think so too. Have the L12 and L20 stats for Firefly+Willow, so have started running numbers for L20 Firefly + L12 Willow. We'll see.
Started Bloom+Panlong bit ago and got a few done, but will get back to it before long.

The game has indicated an increased chance for success when using higher level dragons. We are testing to see how much bump is given. Right now it looks like higher level parents give a better percentage when breeding for limiteds, but there is more testing to do. hth

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Suncrusher
Jun 14 2013, 09:11 AM
Besides testing limited parents, I'm also interested in testing parents who are 3-4 element hybrids. When DR dragons were released, I intuitively tried first using Panlong+Bloom. It made sense to me that if Rainbow dragons are bred with at least 4 elements present, that DR dragons might be bred with >4 elements present. I thought maybe having 7 elements present would give higher chances at breeding DR dragons. I'm aware that PixieWA's test of Love+Salamander technically only has 4 elements present (lightning, plant, fire + water, fire [redundant])...but what if there is simply a bonus to using parents having >2 elements? Such a bonus could also be the cause of combos using Love as a parent giving the best results. I would like to be sure that Love dragons gave such great results because they are limited dragons rather than because they are a super-hybrid parent. Panlong+Bloom being the best combo is still a pet theory of mine, and I'd be very grateful if someone cared to test it! Unfortunately, Panlong and Bloom dragons are also limited, so unless that combo gave a vastly higher rate of DR than simply using two 2-element limited dragons as parents, we wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Edit: I'm confused by the new developments regarding testing limiteds vs. level 20's. Can someone explain to me what's going on with that testing and whether it invalidates my idea?
Sure, that makes sense. Am about half way through with the L12/20 test.

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1,000 attempts (Butterfly target)
L12 Willow + L20 Firefly
156 Butterfly
37 Seasonal
Rainbow - 15
Double Rainbow - 7

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PixieWA
Jun 14 2013, 09:38 PM
1,000 attempts (Butterfly target)
L12 Willow + L20 Firefly
156 Butterfly
37 Seasonal
Rainbow - 15
Double Rainbow - 7
That's interesting. Was thinking about 135, or half the advantage of 2 Level 20 dragons. Maybe 1 Level 20 is as good as 2. Two possible tests come to mind (says he from the sidelines): 2 x Level 17 dragons and level 17 + level 10/12 to check the results. Feel free to make them a Beard producing combo (again ... from the sidelines).

But I am doing my part on GN testing. ;)
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Is it worth increasing my dragons to level 20 to get a higher chance of DR? Or will I just get more rainbows to the point that it isn't effective?
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azurile13
Jun 14 2013, 11:57 PM
Is it worth increasing my dragons to level 20 to get a higher chance of DR? Or will I just get more rainbows to the point that it isn't effective?
Looking at the evidence we have so far, Level 20 Dragons do NOT give you a better chance of getting a Rainbow nor a Doctor. They do seem to boost the chances of getting a limited dragon with regular elements.

I guess testing for Solstice is something we should try as well, now that it's available.
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Jun 15 2013, 05:38 AM
azurile13
Jun 14 2013, 11:57 PM
Is it worth increasing my dragons to level 20 to get a higher chance of DR? Or will I just get more rainbows to the point that it isn't effective?
Looking at the evidence we have so far, Level 20 Dragons do NOT give you a better chance of getting a Rainbow nor a Doctor. They do seem to boost the chances of getting a limited dragon with regular elements.

I guess testing for Solstice is something we should try as well, now that it's available.
Well in 4000 tries there were 10 more DR (with double 20's), could be just chance but I wouldn't rule it out.
Edited by essiw, Jun 15 2013, 09:04 AM.
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There are still inconsistencies that are confusing. Regarding using higher level parents for DR, looking at the L12 vs L20 Seaweed + Firefly seems to indicate there is no value in using L20 parents.
1,000 attempts - Non-limited L12
Seaweed+Firefly
20 Rainbow
6 Double Rainbow

1,000 attempts - Non-limited L20
Seaweed+Firefly
20 Rainbow
6 Double Rainbow

Using L12 vs L20 Willow + Firefly makes it appear there is a 3x boost.
1,000 attempts (Butterfly) L12
Firefly+Willow
112 Butterfly
45 Seasonal
5 Rainbow
3 Double Rainbow

1,000 attempts (Butterfly) L20
Firefly+Willow
169 Butterfly
36 Seasonal
16 Rainbow
9 Double Rainbow

Seems like more testing needs to be done before any real hard answers appear. And, I still want to know if the Love+Salamander was just a fluke.


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Jun 14 2013, 11:56 PM
PixieWA
Jun 14 2013, 09:38 PM
1,000 attempts (Butterfly target)
L12 Willow + L20 Firefly
156 Butterfly
37 Seasonal
Rainbow - 15
Double Rainbow - 7
That's interesting. Was thinking about 135, or half the advantage of 2 Level 20 dragons. Maybe 1 Level 20 is as good as 2. Two possible tests come to mind (says he from the sidelines): 2 x Level 17 dragons and level 17 + level 10/12 to check the results. Feel free to make them a Beard producing combo (again ... from the sidelines).

But I am doing my part on GN testing. ;)
I appreciate the guidance, don't feel you are piling on. Takes a bit over 3 uninterrupted hours to run each set, so just a matter of time before a set for each combo you are suggested are done. Would be helpful if we knew how long Bearded and Butterfly will be in play. I like to compare apples to apples and would hate for one/or both to disappear before completing comparison sets for each. Even then, it might only be 1,000 attempts for each set. Still not sure 1,000 is enough.

How many attempts are using with the GN testing?

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Womantrarae

If I could test on my iPad, I would test for Solstice with Blazing and Earth (no epic fails) in 12-12, 12-20, 15-20, 20-20. This would give the changes in odds for only the Limited.
Then I would test the same levels with Blazing and Mud (Solstice and Rainbows). This would show how the presence of epic fails affects the Limited numbers.
Then I would test Blazing and Terradiem (same possible fails as Blazing and Mud, but using a Limited as parent) to see if using a Limited changes the odds.

Pixie, you are Epic !-)

ps, I think the GN tests went to at least 600, so yours are Epic, too.

Question to All:
Should this topic, Testing Effects of Levels on Breeding, have its own thread?[R4E]Postscript[/R4E]
Edited by Womantrarae, Jun 15 2013, 11:17 AM.
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