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Topic Started: Oct 4 2013, 08:32 PM (13,332 Views)
wapatango
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Anyone care to speculate on this new Facebook post? What do you think is coming? When do you think it will arrive? I know many people were disappointed when the new type of seasonal dragons were released. Do you think this will be another disappointment? Do you have any other thoughts about it?
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Sylvandyr
Oct 11 2013, 08:08 PM
RuffianRules
Oct 11 2013, 05:38 PM
wapatango
Oct 11 2013, 11:45 AM
You better believe I love this change. Cheaters never win. ;)

Seriously, though, I think that what makes this game fun is the challenge of it. So many people have started to get bored with the game because it became somewhat easy to avoid part of the challenge. I think even though people fume about the change, that in the long run they will enjoy the game more because they had to work and plan for all that they acheive. I really do believe this change is better for the game. I am sorry if it makes any of you unhappy, but I will be honest and say I like it.
Yes, but I don't consider breeding for cash to be a form of cheating, so in that respect this change is super sucky. Magpac is right now we have to go back to breeding Air dragons for extra cash. This was a method I employed in order to have money for growing food.

AND, the breeding rule change they announced was for EPIC dragons. The fact that it affects any dragon apparently is just I dunno a very bad word that I can't use.
Wait, so there is now no more point to having two of each dragon? I can stop trying to get pairs then?

I have to say I'm not pleased about the dragon earning rate changes btw, I have one and a half islands of Panlongs. Who's to say they won't do some weird rate changes in the future, I'm never restructuring my islands for cash rates again. Now there is no trust. Since they did it once, they may do it again. Who knows, maybe they'll change the habitat cap numbers too, which would be much more upsetting because I have to rearrange my islands for those. At least with dragons I can just swap them out and move on. Except I guess it's now hard to breed specific dragons now if same species + same species = different dragon!

All that time invested into breeding pairs of dragons when I could've turned the extra one into an egg is now gone, cause I assumed I could breed a pair for the egg eventually but that assumption is now false. There were so many dragons I needed, so I didn't get a lull in breeding for making extras to turn into eggs, but my false assumption that core game mechanics wouldn't be changed is now baseless.

...Yeah, not thrilled.
I admit that I am not thrilled with the earning rate changes. It does seem unfair that after we have spent all this time and money getting high earners to level 20, suddenly they are no longer high earners. I chose to level plasma b/c it earned the same as current and I liked the looks better. Now plasma is not as good an option. I can understand that they would want to get rid of the cumbersome table. However, they could have kept the top levels the same and just changed the bottom numbers. I think that reducing earnings was a poor move. It doesn't bother me as much as it bothers some because I didn't worry too much about maximizing earnings in my park. However, for those who did, I think it is a shame...even though they might have "cheated" to do it. ;) It is definitely not the way to treat long-term faithful players. So, we are in complete agreement on this one Syl.
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Suncrusher
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I've been breeding 2 ghosts and 2 bones constantly and still nothing :-/

P.S. Sylv u play dota? We should play sometime!
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scarreddragon
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Sylvandyr
Oct 11 2013, 08:20 PM
The fact that they did this at all is what bothers me. It means that my false sense of security trusting in core game mechanics was exactly that, false. So now I can't make any assumptions based on how I think the game works anymore. I can't believe in anything in the game. Even if they revert or modify it, I just can't trust what's currently true to be the truth rather than a capricious illusion.

...I may stop playing soon. It's too much stress to play a casual game that I can't trust. I fully expect balancing in competitive games like DotA, and I'm perfectly happy with that, but DragonVale is not the kind of game where I'd want to randomly guess whether a two-year-old core game mechanic that had a significant effect on the metagame is real or not.

I'm just glad I read this before I sold off some Panlongs or something.

I was feeling all happy about the update, thinking this magic stuff and the element of surprise for the kind of dragon we choose to summon is kinda cool, and I was considering giving another donation to Backflip (not cause I need gems, just to donate), but now I don't think I will. I'm really grateful that there are forums to be made aware of big rules changes because I didn't see this in the game or my update news.
I'm feeling you. I like getting new elements, and more new dragons, etc., and I'm still hoping that the breeding rule changes are temporary (or that BF realizes they've just alienated a large portion of their customers with it and decides to make it temporary).

But I also liked knowing that I could easily breed for my second whatever dragon, or my display egg, using easy-to-understand breeding rules, and by breeding two together for displays and cash. I have never considered this to be "cheating" (and honestly feel insulted when others say it is, but whatever, I just ignore those people). Trying to get three gem dragons in one month is nerve-wracking as it is... at least I always could get through limited-time dragons okay even if I didn't always manage all the gemstones. But now imagine that ALL dragons take that many tries just to get them, and instead of having a nice set of 5-6 dragons you could possibly get for gemstone pairs, you could get 20-30. I can see my frustration level going through the roof!

I was never bored with Dragonvale even when I had all dragons/goals/etc. done because there was always something to look forward to. But if these breeding rules are the new norm, I don't think I will enjoy it anymore. Guess I'll wait until after the event, and if they don't change it back, make a decision then.
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^I'm sorry if I insulted you. I promise that my talk of cheating is just in fun. I don't honestly consider it to be cheating. I just don't do it because I find the game more fun, although frustrating at times, when getting everything the hard way. I love challenges, so I set myself this challenge. The sense of accomplishment when I get that display egg or spare is worth the frustration to me, but it is not a wise use of resources. My way of playing is foolish from an efficiency standpoint. The thing that makes DV so popular is that we can all play in our own way and have fun. So if my teasing has insulted you, I do apologize, and I ask that you forgive me.
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Oh, don't worry, I know you totally don't mean it that way, wapa. I'm not offended by your posts at all! I know you're just teasing, and sometimes when I feel a little annoyed anyway about them, I recognize I'm being oversensitive and just tell myself to stop being silly. I read a lot of forums though, not just these, and there are some others that come across as a bit stronger and more condescending when taking about it as "cheating", like they really believe it is, so that was what I was referring to. I should have been clearer, sorry! I actually have pretty much stopped going to those others, but with the new news I visited everywhere I could think of to learn more about it. They weren't as helpful as here anyway!
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swablueme

I'm surprised that DV took so long to follow Dragon Story's model, honestly.
(Breeding rules-wise)
Edited by swablueme, Oct 12 2013, 01:07 AM.
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swablueme
Oct 12 2013, 01:04 AM
I'm surprised that DV took so long to follow Dragon Story's model, honestly.
(Breeding rules-wise)
I always thought because Backflip thought they had a better model and weren't always for the cash. Their breeding method was outstanding compared to Dragon Story, and felt like Team Lava (Dragon Story's creators) were only there to make every last penny off of me. It looks like Backflip has headed in this direction, and I can say I'm not too happy with it..
Edited by Frost786™, Oct 12 2013, 01:17 AM.
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swablueme

I think it's because of the takeover. In my opinion, BF were exceedingly generous with that 100% breeding rule. I can't imagine how much it would have cut out of their profit margins for so long. But I'm sad to see the breeding rules have changed..
Edited by swablueme, Oct 12 2013, 01:30 AM.
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@windborn, wich device do you have?

@sylv there are some reasons for these changes. First it seems that codewise the earning rates make sense now. Since there is now a starting amount of gold for a baby and than it is just a formula calculating the rest (instead of having all gold rates in the code). The breeding rules seem to be the same as the gizomnauts, and from a starters view these make a lot more sense. Also there is still an advantage of having 2 dragons, it seems there is still a chance left to recieve the same dragon, even if it is limited.
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The size of the rule code that is downloaded is about half what it was due to removing the individual earn rates. New players don't need big earners to grow food to level up dragons. What do old players need with all the cash?

As for breeding, I've never understood breeding same + same = same every time. Made things way too easy. Now that might have been important when you needed 50 of one type to work on the shines, but again, that's been taken away so no biggie.

Everyone breeds two of every dragon anyway, to have an adult and a baby. Now it just means they have to breed the egg the hard way, like they do with gem dragons. Actually, same + same can still equal same so it 's easier then breeding 3 gem dragons.

Happy with all the changes. Happy to have two new pure elements to give us a butt load of new dragons coming eventually. Happy to have a cool new mission to be working on. For everyone whinging, I have a question ...

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@essiw - 3rd gen iPad...I think. Pretty sure, but my university gave them to full time students, so...not buying it myself makes me less conscious of its specs. >_< Almost positive it's 3rd gen, though.
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Ah that explains why your case is different, because I have an iPad1. Well I am really thinking about getting a 5th gen iPad now (they will probably be announced in 10 days).

@fletch, we need the coins to level up our dragons to 20 ;)
Edited by essiw, Oct 12 2013, 06:12 AM.
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@fletch, it isn't so much that the rules have changed per se, it's that many older players remember when the rules were BETTER, and that sucks for us. If I was a new player coming on at this time, and these were the rules, that's cool because that is how it is. But for those of us playing for a long time, it's hard to go to the new style because we are the old farts who remember the "better days" so to speak. Will we get used to it? Yeah, probably. Will it continue to bug me that things used to be easier to breed and I always will wish for that instead of what we have now? Absolutely. Unlike others, I'm not interested in a "challenge". I want to collect, and I feel happy every time I go to my park to see my collection complete. If it takes 3 times the effort to get that same feeling, it may end up not worth it anymore.

Just my two cents.
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scarreddragon
Oct 12 2013, 06:22 AM
@fletch, it isn't so much that the rules have changed per se, it's that many older players remember when the rules were BETTER, and that sucks for us. If I was a new player coming on at this time, and these were the rules, that's cool because that is how it is. But for those of us playing for a long time, it's hard to go to the new style because we are the old farts who remember the "better days" so to speak. Will we get used to it? Yeah, probably. Will it continue to bug me that things used to be easier to breed and I always will wish for that instead of what we have now? Absolutely. Unlike others, I'm not interested in a "challenge". I want to collect, and I feel happy every time I go to my park to see my collection complete. If it takes 3 times the effort to get that same feeling, it may end up not worth it anymore.

Just my two cents.
Sir, when I started playing, there were no dragons that earned gems, there was no dragon that could speed up time. There were no large epic habitats or giant regular ones. There were only 7 elements and breeding air/sandstorm dragons were the best you could do to make extra cash. There were no multiple element dragons, but it didn't matter because there were no shrines to worry about, and level 10 dragons were as good as it got. And when the shrines were introduced, it only went to silver. How many of us bred the dragons to feed them up, then sold them at level 10 because we didn't know there would be a gold stage added later. Not that we could have done anything about it anyway, because there was no Hibernation Cave. You could only keep dragons you could put in a habitat, so breeding, feeding and selling was the only way to do it.

Did we whinge when the introduced a 4 element dragon to make shrines easier AND when they gave new players a place to store the Dragons AND when they introduced the ability to gild your shrines with gems rather than have to bother with the whole breeding thing anyway? Probably. It's still dumb though. Games change. Otherwise they become boring. I've played every day for nearly 2 years. Because they keep the game fresh. Without the need to breed for shrines, same + same = same makes the game too easy. Or breeding epics to get other epics was too easy. Challenge is back.

We all said how easy the game had gotten when they introduced Metal dragons with crazy earn rates and 7 figure resale. What do you think the earn/sell rates are going to be for these new dragons (dark at level 21 and light at level 25)? Heaps of money to be earned in the future in ways that could not have been imagined by me when a boosted blue fire (back when it could be boosted) was the ducks nuts. Not to mention, they have hinted at breeding epics above level 10 is in the works. They obviously got rid of the shrines for this reason, figuring that no-one would do the work of gilding epic shrines in the same way as regular ones. For the record I would have, but I'm probably in the minority.

Bottom line is this is good for the future of the game.
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Regarding earnings, there is no way they could keep close to the same numbers across all the dragons and keeping the high levels the same but bumping up the lower levels would give you a Panlong earning crazy amounts at level 1. As it is gem dragons now earn a gem every 16 days at level one rather than the 1 a month they did previously, in order to keep the math at 1 a week for level 10.
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