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| essiw | Oct 10 2013, 08:46 AM Post #1 |
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I thought that it would be nicer to have a separate topic about magic. So here you can discuss about everything you want as long as it is about magic ![]() Below I will include what we know about collecting magic and some strategy ideas. We will include more info as we discover it and have time to include it. ![]() Hiding info so we don't have to scroll as much while still being able to access the info. Spoiler: click to toggle [R4E]Adding magic info[/R4E]
Edited by wapatango, Nov 19 2013, 07:35 AM.
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| Fletch_smf | Oct 31 2013, 08:29 PM Post #271 |
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Well your argument about why mystery is bad is a poor one. Your suggesting that BFS should explain absolutely everything about the game at all times. I hate the breeding hints and the fact you can buy gemstone eggs direct from the market now for precisely that reason. The discovering is part of the fun. Likewise every limited dragon is going to be unbreedable for a small % of players. That's just statistics that occur when a million plus people play a game of chance. Someone (quite a few someone's in fact) can breed all month in both caves and not breed an Opal. To suggest that BFS could allow everyone to get every dragon by supplying more information is incorrect. And again, by definition, a very small % will achieve max rewards in this event. There is no way that it is a special type of dragon that is only available to those players. This is really one of those times when all players that try, will be able to get these Rift Dragons by earning the smallest amount of magic required, or buying the update for 99 cents. This is a very well crafted event. |
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| Suncrusher | Oct 31 2013, 10:29 PM Post #272 |
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Please go back and actually read my arguments carefully because you are now misstating all of them and missing (or pretending to ignore so you don't have to deal with) the actual arguments. I don't like the mystery in this case (a special type of dragon in a special event where all the details about future availability/ability to breed/etc. are unknown) because it makes it impossible to know whether I need to spend money or forever miss out on something. That has nothing to do with mystery breeding combos—which I incidentally think are fun—, and I don't appreciate your strawman argument here. Aside from breeding combos, it is important to provide other information about the dragons (can the dragon itself breed, when is this dragon leaving the market forever, etc.). When players know a dragon is leaving the market forever, they have had the option to buy the dragon directly with gems. In this case, certain (unlikely) circumstances might make having the third egg in each habitat actually matter. Is that likely? No. But we don't actually know for sure. As I said in my first response, "People who don't get the third rift dragon egg in each habitat aren't 100% sure that they won't be missing out on something in the end (no matter how convincing the arguments are that various people have laid out, no one is 100% sure)." I said right in that sentence that people (implying you, but not wanting to call you out) had laid out good arguments that in this case, hopefully no one would miss out. I even said in my next post that I agreed that it is probable that no one will miss out. But the fact is that in the end you are just guessing when you say that (unless you work for BFS and I don't know), and regardless of whether or not you end up being proven right when the event ends does not mean that it is a good thing for players to not know whether abstaining from spending money will cause them to miss out forever on something in the game. What I said in my first post, my second post, and apparently need to repeat a third time, is that "it does seem like a fairly safe bet that people who didn't spend money to get 3 rift eggs in each habitat won't miss out on anything this time around, but it's quite possible that collectors will be forced to choose between spending money and forever missing out on something during the next event, or the one after that. I understand and accept that they have a business to run, but I don't have to like it or hope that things continue down this path." To me is seems obvious that any uncertainty about whether a player will achieve a reward tier before the time runs out (or uncertainty about whether a player will miss out forever if he doesn't achieve a certain reward tier) is a great way to get people to spend money that they would otherwise only spend as a last resort. When a player knows he can only get 3000 magic per day, he knows he can't wait until the last day and then simply buy whatever goals he has yet to achieve before the event ends; therefore, players are constantly uncertain about whether their pace is fast enough and whether they should or shouldn't spend money to achieve rewards (not necessarily the final reward tier, but simply just the reward tiers they want to achieve) faster. Add that to the general uncertainty about whether the final reward tier is important to achieve or not, and any player who is serious about their collection has the right to not be so happy-go-lucky as you. With regard to this event, I think your guess will probably be proven right and that no one will miss out if they don't get a third egg in each habitat. That doesn't mean I like this general model of event where I can't know for sure that my collection will be complete unless I spend money to achieve the highest reward tiers. And if there is another event, you yourself might not be so sure for that event that the final reward tiers are unnecessary. I can easily imagine a future event where each of the highest reward tiers offer unique dragons and might even be relatively easier to achieve, but players will only have time/magic to achieve one of the final reward tiers/unique dragons without spending money. All of the above is why I don't like the uncertainty of this event, and I don't like where this event could easily lead in the future. |
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| swablueme | Nov 1 2013, 12:28 AM Post #273 |
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To me, Backflip deliberately withheld information to see whether players would spend more money if they had knowledge or if they spent more money without it. It builds up hype. Think about the first thing we do when a dragon is first released. We test loads and loads of combos to find one that works. In other words, we usually know exactly what to predict and expect. In this case, there is no element of prediction or expectation. We are as much in the dark as anybody else. Well yes, you could establish the various cost levels of the various rewards and test what you can do to get those rewards. But lol, we can't compensate for the grinding that the other players have to do. So you know how to get the rewards and then it becomes up to you to get them. So get all your players to logon every single day so there is more of a chance someone spends money. Because otherwise they have no chance at the rewards. Then give them the small perk of being able to gain decent quantities of magic at the beginning. Then heavily penalise them until they can't do anything except plant shrubs for 1 magic and hope that that amount of frustration gets them to spend money on the game either on gems or magic. Rinse and repeat. Then to increase anxiety, shove a bar without numbers at the top of their park and get them to play the game of will they/won't they. You don't even know what each segment represents in terms of numbers. It might be smaller, it might be larger. Oh, and it's the countdown to doomsday. And past doomsday, you can't upgrade anything. We want people to freak out, ok? And because people aren't panicking enough, we set up double magic weekend. And double magic weekend came with a treat and a sting in the tail. The treat is a small amount of double magic. The sting is that mostly gem speedups and stuff were boosted. The shrub grinding - how most non-paying players were getting the magic - were not boosted. And that was how the cash cow was milked. The event was a great one apart from the fact that it consisted basically of a gigantic timer and some additional hard to earn currency. That's all it consisted of, really, because all the dragons already existed: they could have just released them sparing us the frustration. Edited by swablueme, Nov 1 2013, 12:33 AM.
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| sugraray | Nov 1 2013, 01:53 AM Post #274 |
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I'm putting thus here in case anyone else is in the same boat I am. I have 3 DV friends and i want it get more magic easily. By having only 3, I'm missing out on 90 magic per day and more through party hats. I hadn't had a need for the gifting tree cuz u was fine playing with my family. So now I bought one and need 3 more friends to send gems to. I play every day and send gems everyday. While i prefer someone in the same situation as me who will send gems back, it's not a necessity as my main goal is to get more magic. So if anyone is interested, let me know. Find me in gamecenter or message me. ID is same as here. Thanks! |
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| essiw | Nov 1 2013, 04:17 AM Post #275 |
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Just got my iPad Air... wow this is so much more easier collecting magic than on my ipad1... though I am not understanding why my graphics didn't upgrade... |
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| Womantrarae | Nov 1 2013, 06:32 AM Post #276 |
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Hooray for you, essiw! Faster Magic! |
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| Womantrarae | Nov 1 2013, 06:45 AM Post #277 |
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Great technique, Wapa! Saves space and wasted motion. Now I can keep my favorite "crop circles" if I want, or use the space to redecorate
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| Dancingmantis | Nov 1 2013, 08:40 AM Post #278 |
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So, does anyone have any clues as to what happens with the whole magic mecanic after the event? Does it just go away, or will earning magic be repurposed for something else than "bringing back the rift dragons"? |
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| RuffianRules | Nov 1 2013, 08:43 AM Post #279 |
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Yea! I hope this fixes our little "friend" list problem! |
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| wapatango | Nov 1 2013, 09:57 AM Post #280 |
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@essiw. Congrats. I am very happy to hear it. @ Rae. I'm glad I could help.
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| azurile13 | Nov 1 2013, 10:10 AM Post #281 |
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Quick FYI for everyone, double magic weekend is back and they have reset magic again. My counter went back to 24 hours and I have the high returns again. |
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| Womantrarae | Nov 1 2013, 10:34 AM Post #282 |
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Aaaaargh! And once again I made major purchases just before the announcement
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| essiw | Nov 1 2013, 10:54 AM Post #283 |
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@Ruffian, I hope so too, I know it is my side based, so if this doesn't fix it I will mail to BF. |
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| Mr.Shabadoo | Nov 1 2013, 11:57 AM Post #284 |
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Awesome! Just noticed this as well. I've been buying treats all week (now up to 40 million) in hopes this would come back! Time to cash in and level up some dragons! |
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| neomew | Nov 1 2013, 03:04 PM Post #285 |
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Light magic has moved again! |
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