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| HomelessOne | Oct 12 2011, 07:40 PM Post #1 |
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![]() Zaku Sniper Model Number: MS-05L Overall Height: 17.5m Base Weight: 67.9t
![]() Zaku Mariner Model Number: RMS-192M Overall Height: 17.5m Base Weight: 48.8t
![]() Zaku Cannon Model Number: MS-06K Overall Height: 17.7m Base Weight: 59.1t
![]() Desert Zaku Model Number: MS-06D Overall Height: 18.5m Base Weight: 44.7t
![]() Efreet Schneid Model Number: MS-08TX/S Overall Height: 17.2m Base Weight: 52.4t
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| HomelessOne | Oct 12 2011, 07:43 PM Post #2 |
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![]() Gallus-K Model Number: AMX-101K Overall Height: 19.5m Base Weight: 52.7t
![]() Marasai Model Number: RMS-108 Overall Height: 17.5m Base Weight: 33.1t
![]() Dwadge Model Number: MS-09G Overall Height: 18.2m Base Weight: 43.5t
![]() Dom Tropen Model Number: MS-09F/trop Overall Height: 18.5m Base Weight: 44.8t
![]() Desert Gelgoog Model Number: MS-14D Overall Height: 19.8m Base Weight: 43.7t
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| HomelessOne | Oct 12 2011, 07:44 PM Post #3 |
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![]() Z'Gok Model Number: MSM-07 Overall Height: 18.4m Base Weight: 65.1t
![]() Capule Model Number: AMX-109 Overall Height: 16.5m Base Weight: 38.7t
![]() Juaggu Model Number: MSM-04G Overall Height: 17.4m Base Weight: 137.3t
![]() Zogok Model Number: MSM-08 Overall Height: 18.2m Base Weight: 77.4t
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| Bazookafied | Oct 18 2011, 11:29 AM Post #4 |
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Man am I ever happy that Unicorn has been giving these older grunts a shot on the Silver Screen. However, it is kind of funny to hear how they've been glorified in their profiles for UC. They make some of these antiques sound more powerful than they actually are. I'm sure that they're just getting the old fart UC fans fists pumping though. |
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| HomelessOne | Oct 25 2011, 10:43 AM Post #5 |
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http://i.imgur.com/7erg5.jpg The starting posts have been tentatively updated with new units; their profiles will be completed when the English official site updates. |
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| Bazookafied | Oct 25 2011, 12:32 PM Post #6 |
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That Gelgoog is fantastic! Even got the ol' SRBs on the backpack for attacking enemy warships from above! Oh man... this battle could rival my current favorite ground battle scene: Episode 4 in 0083. |
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| Thrawnma | Oct 27 2011, 12:56 PM Post #7 |
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A Dom would be better. A regular Dom. Basic ground mobility and a heavy weapon lend itself far better to assaulting a ship. Then there's just the simple fact that all the very large and very active guns on a warship are typically on the TOP of it means that attacking from above is a very poor plan. Better either to have the advantage of ground mobility (a Dom) or staying in cover and moving quickly from place to place (IE - a Dom or this Gelgoog minus the boosters). The solid rocket boosters in 0083 also didn't accomplish much to endorse their useage. The second unit equipped with them got shot before it could launch, and the other got gunned down at the apex of its arc because it slowed to basically a crawl as the upwards boost finally met with gravity and gravity said "get back down" leaving it wide open to getting shot by Kou. If the crew of the ship hadn't been most focused on retrieving the nuclear Gundam they made that Zaku would have been hosed down by AA fire the moment it cleared the bow. Besides all that, it was aiming for the only vulnerable point on the ship -- the bridge. And since bridges retract during combat in this era of UC all possible advantages are rendered moot. It's the kind of variant that someone thinks of as being cool and maybe it was one of those weird concept models that made it into production (God knows the real world's version of Zeon [Nazis] did much of the same) but it shouldn't pose any more threat than a Tiger tank would today. Awesome looking, almost quaint in its relative antiquity, but as its ineffective weapons bounce off modern armor plating and even a relatively SMALL gun chews its armor into pieces the reasons why we introduce new models and upgrade things regularly with the full backing of a national GDP becomes obvious. That said, I feel like I'm giving the Desert Gelgoog far too much credit by making analogies between it and a Tiger tank. This is more like the Tiger's stupid cousin who's been in the desert so long he's started tying cactuses to himself and calling himself Lord Bongo of the Leaping Flight Pandas... the poor boys just gone retarded from lack of contact, food, water, or any other resource people need to survive for any period of time. Now the Gelgoog High Mobility would probably count as a Tiger Tank. |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 8 2011, 03:14 AM Post #8 |
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/85431056.jpg/ Wait, is that a Feyadeen Rifle? |
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| balofo | Nov 8 2011, 08:46 AM Post #9 |
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it's a Feyadeen Rifle, also another Marasai in a Dodai. A Zaku F2 with a Zaku Cannon and two unidentifiable MS inside the Fat Uncle |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Nov 10 2011, 10:50 PM Post #10 |
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Efreet Schneid(er). http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3337/1320981778469.jpg |
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| Random_GM_Pilot | Nov 10 2011, 11:07 PM Post #11 |
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The hell? Where did they even get this thing? Was there a FOURTH Efreet just lying around that we never saw before? Did they build it from scratch with the same magical funding that makes a Dom 0096-current? And what's with the awful clashing color scheme of gray-blue and dull red? They do not compliment each other AT ALL. The magenta terror is trying so hard to be a ninja, too, but Efreet Nacht did a far better job of that. I'm just waiting for this thing to get an HGUC but no Efreet Nacht or Efreet Kai, to say nothing of more worthy Zeonic MS from Unicorn 4 itself. |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Nov 10 2011, 11:12 PM Post #12 |
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It's a zeon remnant unit. Everything they have is just whatever they could get their hands on. From newer stuff to a Zaku Sniper form the OYW. |
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| Ideon | Nov 10 2011, 11:13 PM Post #13 |
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In the same hangar Green and Mirage Frames were hanging out in for years, I bet. But yeah. Nacht wasn't the prettiest thing ever, but painting it pink and strapping knives to its shoulders wasn't what I'd call a fix. |
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| ChroniK | Nov 10 2011, 11:13 PM Post #14 |
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The MS-08TX/S Efreet Schneid. EDIT: Oh! sorry, just realized it was already posted on the forum. EDIT-1:Any word on the Byalant Kai? http://minus.com/leypclzEpFNs5 - http://minus.com/lhmI0sXF7bSuY Edited by ChroniK, Nov 10 2011, 11:22 PM.
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| HomelessOne | Nov 10 2011, 11:15 PM Post #15 |
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And as the OVA rolls out more and more units, it becomes less and less believable that these disparate and barely surviving Zeon Remnant groups could have all these near-unique prototypes and believably maintain them for up to 16 years. I like how they took the time to properly coordinate the colors of the daggers and their holsters with the rest of the armor plates. You have to have priorities when you're a terrorist cell that can't even guarantee you'll have a next meal. |
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| Ideon | Nov 10 2011, 11:18 PM Post #16 |
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Must have had some leftover parts from assembling a brand-new MA over the last decade. |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Nov 10 2011, 11:22 PM Post #17 |
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Just goes to show you that Zeon terrorist remnants know how to Ebay for spare parts. Also the unit apparently has no ranged weapons at all. |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 10 2011, 11:22 PM Post #18 |
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Haha, apparently so.
This thread. |
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| Random_GM_Pilot | Nov 10 2011, 11:29 PM Post #19 |
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Why not? We're already in a strange bizarro world where being defeated 3 times over (more if you include sidestories) means you have IMMENSE funding instead of being in the red, being Char makes people think you're a great leader when your only two prior movements have been led to their destruction, and 8-year old MS function worse than 16-year old ones. A massive resource-draining project creating more MS resources instead of draining them honestly doesn't seem that weird at this point. |
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| ChroniK | Nov 10 2011, 11:30 PM Post #20 |
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Dam, I feel like I am falling behind. They might as well have built a second MA if they were just gonna make something like that. |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Nov 10 2011, 11:31 PM Post #21 |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 10 2011, 11:31 PM Post #22 |
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And the wrong thread, Zechs. The Feds get to use a Feddie MS, in this case. Oh, and the Schneid's armament list: Heat Dart, Shotgun, Giant Bazooka. |
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| Ideon | Nov 11 2011, 12:10 AM Post #23 |
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But if a Zeon pilot was in the Byalant, its true potential could shine! Would have won the whole Gryps War by itself, dontcha know. </Unicorn> |
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| Calubin_175 | Nov 11 2011, 12:46 AM Post #24 |
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The Schneid with a 2200kw generator and partial Gundarium armor seems to suggest it has been overhauled to a large extent, possibly by the Feds. Much like the Nacht, it maybe a recaptured mobile suit. I can't really remember whether the Nacht had been tempered by the Feds. The Faydaeen rifles on Marasai being followed from the ZIII movie may just be to testify it is a pretty high performance mobile suit capable of high output weaponry. It was pretty much as good as the Hyakushiki spec wise. |
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| Ideon | Nov 11 2011, 12:52 AM Post #25 |
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Would be nice if the sidestories stopped using the Feds as 'that place to jack nice toys from' for the Zeeks, but meh, that's been a problem ever since 0083 let a famous zealot stroll right into Torrington and walk out with a nuke. Although, frankly, even 'sidestory' sounds like too nice a title for Unicorn at times. |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 11 2011, 12:53 AM Post #26 |
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Oh, even earlier; ZZ had them steal stuff from the Feds. The Zaku Mariner, Rommel's beam cannon (if not all of his group's MS)... |
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| Ideon | Nov 11 2011, 12:55 AM Post #27 |
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Ugh, forgot about that stuff. I try to ignore ZZ's desert arc though. Also doesn't tie into ribbing Unicorn as well as the sidestory label did. |
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| Random_GM_Pilot | Nov 11 2011, 12:58 AM Post #28 |
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Gets a bit cartoonish at this point, doesn't it? Feds steal Zaku Mariner from Zeon. Zeon steals Zaku Mariner back from feds. Feds teal Zaku mariner again. Zeon steals Zaku Mariner back yet again. This is quite probably the exact chain that led one of these machines to where it is now. |
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| ChroniK | Nov 11 2011, 01:07 AM Post #29 |
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It doesn't say anything about "Cold Kunais"? EDIT: Oh wait, I'm assuming they gave up the cold kunais and went with the "Heat Darts". So it has 14 heat darts?! EDIT-1: And probably 1 x Shotgun and 1 x Giant Bazooka, giving the fact that is the usual layout of some of the mobile suits. |
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| Thrawnma | Nov 11 2011, 01:14 AM Post #30 |
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This shit is pants on head foolish. Okay, lets step back here for a second. Lets do some Logic 101 thinking. There's a thing in this world called "logistics". It's the supply and transport of supplies to areas as needed. Wars never won with soldiers and guns, but logistics. That is to say -- making sure soldiers have food, spare parts, ammunition, making sure soldiers have transportation, industrial bases to support this, an economy to fund it all, trucks, planes, tractors... everything falls under logistics. And while we can typically ignore the logistics behind stuff long enough to enjoy things, sometimes it just breaks the bank that was your brain. For example, Cosmic Era. SEED. We're supposed to believe that a mere three years after a massive genocidal bloodfest there enough new soldiers, trained and experienced people to train them, ships, equipment, factories, mobile suits, mines, shipping, people, medics, and everything else required to start up a whole new genocidal bloodbath war? But this... this shit takes the cake here. We're expected to believe that... a practically bankrupt (but not enough they can't have advanced Newtype weaponry, super-death Mobile Armors, and really pretty gold filigree and fancy uniforms) movement supported by various terrorist/guerilla cells who have had no support in terms of equipment, parts, and everything else are capable of doing this. And on top of this these guys just HAPPEN to have all these oddball prototype machines lying around that were FORGOTTEN? "Oops I seem to have left my multi-billion dollar prototype lying around" x100? And then on TOP of this disbelief, we're supposed to believe they have enough financial support to purchase new technology and armor, that they have a reliable technological base to use said things to upgrade their machines to completely new standards (consider that they have to gut cockpits and anything not already UMP compatible has to be brought up to speed) which includes: Mechanics, engineers, and man hours. Lots and lots of work. This is assuming they can purchase this stuff, which is already assuming they have an incredibly diverse and reliable smuggling network which can bring this stuff to these people in remote locations on earth from places like Anaheim Electronics ON THE FRIGGIN MOON and the Federation just somehow never noticed? With the icing on the cake supposed to be that we believe that these guys can not only do this, but that they can rack up higher kill counts than Karn the Betrayer on a bloodfit? Pull the other one Unicorn. |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 11 2011, 01:15 AM Post #31 |
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With any luck a Feddie MS will just shoot the damn thing, but alas I believe the Schneid is at least briefly successful in combat onscreen. |
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| ChroniK | Nov 11 2011, 02:12 AM Post #32 |
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I wouldn't be surprised if they scripted the ms to take down a bunch of feddies, only for the Unicorn to destroy it.Can someone render this please, Thanks in advance. Edited by ChroniK, Nov 11 2011, 02:13 AM.
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| Calubin_175 | Nov 11 2011, 03:47 AM Post #33 |
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I was playing Senki 0081 just then and encountered some Federation captured Z'Goks in the Atlantic ocean stage. Recapturing units was really the way to go, even on stage one we had to capture a Zaku and GM. The Marasais and Base Jabbers must have been left behind after the Neo Zeon conflict. They did consolidate Titans after all. Honestly I only remembered this point from the Mirage of Zeon manga as while the ZZ TV did touch on military and political affairs, the slapstick overshadowed it. |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Nov 11 2011, 03:51 AM Post #34 |
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What stage? All I remember were a ton of Aqua GM's as a zeke. The mission where you have to steal the desert Zaku I and GM was the zeon story's 1st mission. |
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| Random_GM_Pilot | Nov 11 2011, 05:10 AM Post #35 |
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I assume you never watched the whole series since you make that claim, not that that occurrance is unusual within this fandom. |
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| Calubin_175 | Nov 11 2011, 08:22 AM Post #36 |
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I watched ZZ as a kid, but have yet rewatched it as an adult.
It was the stage where you have to retrieve 5 containers in the ocean. |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 11 2011, 02:19 PM Post #37 |
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/63463636436.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/1320849996744.jpg/ ZZ was actually pretty happy to show off Neo-Zeon using Titans units. |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 11 2011, 10:21 PM Post #38 |
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/1321063540249.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/1321063621343.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/80/1321063870634.jpg/ There's the Gouf Heavy Arms Type |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 12 2011, 01:30 AM Post #39 |
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/1111121346b18758db554db.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/510/11111213475717e576d5f27.jpg/ ...Is that a Hambrabi's Sea Serpent? Seriously? --- Base Jabber, Dodai YS, Dodai II(?): http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/36/533uk.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/847/tvjkidousenshigundamucuv.jpg/ Capule, Zaku Mariner, Z'Gok: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/553l.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/220/573i.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/20111112174327b12.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/20111112174326ce2.jpg/ Desert Gelgoog: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/45636346.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/763z.jpg/ Dom Tropen, Dwadge, Desert Zaku: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/54974554201111122127483.jpg/ Efreet Schneid: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/134569.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/624te.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/1321094733943.jpg/ Fat Uncle: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/714/456464.jpg/ Gallus-J: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/743s.jpg/ Gallus-K: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/141/353535.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/403/753l.jpg/ Gouf Heavy Arms Type: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/207/54974554201111122127483.jpg/ Luggun: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/6457457.jpg/ Marasai: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/155/523i.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/692mn.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/220/713g.jpg/ Qubeley Mass Production Type: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/546464.jpg/ Zaku I Sniper: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/464575.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/58269699201111122259062.jpg/ Zaku II Desert Type: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/gundamunicornepisode4mp.jpg/ Zaku II Kai(?), Zaku Cannon: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/652s.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/662p.jpg/ Zaku Tank: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/gundamunicornepisode4mp.jpg/ Zogok: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/583q.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/201111121743242a9.jpg/ |
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| Ideon | Nov 14 2011, 07:21 PM Post #40 |
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>Zaku Tank why.jpg I suppose hauling shit out of the desert is about the only thing it could have possibly been good for come 0096. |
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| ChroniK | Nov 14 2011, 07:29 PM Post #41 |
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I think it was already explained as to the reason why its still around. |
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| Ideon | Nov 14 2011, 07:32 PM Post #42 |
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What, that Bandai has been sticking it in everything they can for the last few years? |
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| Calubin_175 | Nov 14 2011, 08:36 PM Post #43 |
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I almost missed the Zaku Desert Type pulling the Garenceries. I think in the novel the Desert Zaku assumed the role and may have also partook in the battles. I could see at least 2 Zaku Cannons, one of which was cannon-less followed by one that accompanied Doms. There were 4 transport ships according to the dialogue, all the non SFS ground mobile suits must have came from there. It would be good if someone could spot a desert colored plain GM II. It would be a lie if they said it appeared onscreen as stated on web exclusive HGUC Gunpla. |
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| ChroniK | Nov 14 2011, 09:46 PM Post #44 |
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Oh, thats an out-of-anime reason. I thought you were looking for a in-anime reason. Apparently, Spoiler: click to toggle
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| HomelessOne | Nov 14 2011, 09:48 PM Post #45 |
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Besides Zechs apparently not understanding what was going on in that sequence, that's not why that Zaku Tank was around. It was helping tow the Garencieres out of the sand. |
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| ChroniK | Nov 14 2011, 09:51 PM Post #46 |
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Zechs? They might as well release a HGUC of the Zaku Tank. |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 14 2011, 09:51 PM Post #47 |
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Zechs is Kyosuke, I'm in the habit of referring to him by his username from another board. |
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| ChroniK | Nov 14 2011, 09:56 PM Post #48 |
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I usually stick to two usernames, such as ChroniK or Dav7d2; although if those two usernames are already taken, I will modify them so that it works. I need to finish watching the episode now.
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| HomelessOne | Nov 15 2011, 02:51 PM Post #49 |
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Better screenshots, focusing on units appearing and their equipment. Thanks go to a friend for helping me with this, due to technical issues on my part. Base Jabber Capule Desert Gelgoog Beam Naginata, Solid Rocket Boosters Armed Buster Desert Zaku Rocket Launcher, Hand Grenades Dodai YS Dodai II Dom Tropen Hand Grenades MMP-80/90mm Machine Gun Heat Saber Dwadge 120mm Machine Gun, Hand Grenades Heat Hawk Heat Saber Efreet Schneid Giant Bazooka Heat Dart Fat Uncle Fat Uncle Custom Gallus-J Beam Rifle Gallus-K Beam Cannon 3-Tube Missile Pod Gouf Heavy Arms Type Juaggu 320mm Rocket Launcher Mega Particle Guns Luggun Marasai Sea Serpent Feyadeen Rifle Feyadeen Rifle (Beam Saber) Zaku I Sniper Beam Sniper Rifle Zaku II Kai: 280mm Zaku Bazooka Zaku Cannon 120mm Machine Gun, 180mm Cannon Rocket Launchers Zaku Desert Type Zaku Mariner SUBROC Gun SUBROC Launcher Zaku Tank Z'Gok Zogok Heat Sword Sturm Faust Boomerang Cutter |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 24 2011, 06:20 PM Post #50 |
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Efreet Schneid profiles: http://i.imgur.com/nycsr.jpg http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/88649798.jpg/
Edited by HomelessOne, Nov 24 2011, 07:17 PM.
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