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| HomelessOne | Nov 11 2011, 07:17 PM Post #1 |
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We're pretty much right on the verge of the episode being released via stream (Zune in the EU supposedly has it out now), so here's a proper discussion thread. As I've mentioned I haven't watched Unicorn, so I have not seen this ep nor do I have any commentary. |
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| balofo | Nov 11 2011, 07:25 PM Post #2 |
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My body is ready! |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 11 2011, 07:56 PM Post #3 |
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/440/1321059155748.jpg/ Looks like one of the Gray Phantom's class. |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Nov 12 2011, 03:23 AM Post #4 |
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I'm watching it right now. The remnants don't actually even have any of these older suits. They Spoiler: click to toggle http://www.twitch.tv/spaceexploration Edited by Kyosuke Nanbu, Nov 12 2011, 03:25 AM.
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| HomelessOne | Nov 12 2011, 03:47 AM Post #5 |
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What happened was a particular group of Zeon Remnants contacted a bunch of other groups of Zeon Remnants. |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Nov 12 2011, 03:56 AM Post #6 |
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I'm content with it over "lol terrorist have all these units from almost 15 years ago". Also Efreet took out like 3 things with the Bazooka and that was it. They didn't really show anything of it. Though I assume it was wiped out due to the dialogue at the end. For the most part, I loved the old units fighting, especially Byplant (what happened to it?) But Banana pissed me off the entire episode. Spoiler: click to toggle Randomly I never noticed that the reflectors had propellers. |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 12 2011, 08:50 AM Post #7 |
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Unless you're going for the idea that it isn't a single band of Remnants with all these MS, that IS what that was. |
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| Bazookafied | Nov 12 2011, 06:10 PM Post #8 |
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Images from this episode have me collecting my jaw off the floor. SO much grunt battle goodness! Gotta see the full thing! http://www.gginfinitenews.com/?p=15907 |
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| ChroniK | Nov 12 2011, 10:12 PM Post #9 |
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Ah, that explains Full Frontal's speech at the start of the 2nd trailer. "They have been waiting all this time. Waiting while time stood still around them. However, time has begun to flow again. Because of Cardeas Vist's actions." |
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| ShadowTheGreat | Nov 12 2011, 11:12 PM Post #10 |
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Unicorn just gets better and better with each episode. And... Spoiler: click to toggle
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| VF-15B Banshee | Nov 13 2011, 12:56 AM Post #11 |
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Plus fodder for more model kits but that was still a great ep. The battle was awesome and Banagher's interactions with Capt. Zimmerman were great too. Overall I think it was pretty balanced, showing that the Zeon remnants are still stuck in the past, fighting a 16-year-old war and the Federation is as corrupt as ever. Loni was your tragic Gundam character for this ep and now a black Gundam has shown up. That's never a good thing. There is one thing I have to call foul on though. What the heck is up with Riddhe and his sudden attraction to Audrey/Mineva? That sure came out of left field... And I think he's projecting his anger and frustrations onto Banagher... Oh and Londo Bell have their own Black Tristars now? Why no explanie? Edited by VF-15B Banshee, Nov 13 2011, 12:58 AM.
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| HomelessOne | Nov 13 2011, 12:59 AM Post #12 |
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The squad is named the Tri-Stars, but I've never heard any explanation as to why anyone thought that was a good idea. |
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| Ideon | Nov 13 2011, 01:17 AM Post #13 |
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The same people that thought retconning the OYW Feds into a horde of pillaging Vikings was a good idea, I bet. Of course, Zeon's totally justified slaughtering civilians in vengeance while they get a pass for the whole One Week War massacre, but that's Unicorn for you. You could almost play it off as it being 'what Zeon zealots actually believe,' but given where the Laplace mess is going I doubt that was the idea. I did kinda like Audrey's talk with the restaurant owner, at least, and some of Banagher's bits with Zinneman, but aside from the Byalant kicking ass most of the fights were either 'eh' or 'why the hell are OYW Zeon machines trouncing Zeta-or-later Fed models?'. Daguza's dead, Marida's having the screws put to her, and Banagher's dialogue got atrociously Tomino-esque at times, so that about covers the few characters I liked. Overall this was probably my least favorite ep of the series, at least until the next 2. Edited by Ideon, Nov 13 2011, 01:21 AM.
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| VF-15B Banshee | Nov 13 2011, 02:05 AM Post #14 |
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Well I wouldn't say the Zeon were justified, if they were Banagher wouldn't have gotten so pissed and the Garanciers crew would have done more to stop him. Loni was just going crazy because she was the most convenient untrained Newtype they could put in there. Remember that Kirks guy told her not to go through the city but then the psychoframe screwed her up. What I actually didn't like about this episode was that it seemed a lot more jumpy than the previous three. And has Bright gained weight?
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| HomelessOne | Nov 13 2011, 02:07 AM Post #15 |
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Even after chopping the equivalent novels to pieces, the episode tries to cram too much into its runtime. There's always sacrifices to be made when adapting novels, but they seem to have overextended themselves here. The Dakar arc and Loni's character in particular are notable casualties. |
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| Ideon | Nov 13 2011, 02:18 AM Post #16 |
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Loni certainly seemed to be all aboard the idea of burning down the city along the way in the name of vengeance or whatnot; maybe the Psycommu just made her do what she wanted to anyway? And yeah, that was another huge problem with the ep; the pacing was pretty bad, and the cramming felt the worst here out of the episodes so far. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | Nov 13 2011, 03:58 AM Post #17 |
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Yeah this ep was almost breakneck in pace. I hope that doesn't happen with five and six. I also have a theory about Zeon that I would like to share with you guys tomorrow. Lastly a question: Assuming Amuro had survived the end of CCA, what do you think he would think about everything that's going on in Unicorn? |
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| Thrawnma | Nov 13 2011, 04:03 PM Post #18 |
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I've been watching First Gundam recently in its remastered entirety. Loving it so far, cornball factor aside, but I feel like I've got a good perspective on what Amuro would say. He'd say nothing. There's nothing he could say that would change how these fanatics feel. What he'd think is probably nothing more than he's already voiced, but they'd rhetorical questions. Why? Why do these crazies want to shed more blood. Why do they want to kill more and more people? Amuro's seen the worst and some of the best of Zeon already. He's killed his soulmate and watched others suffer because of their fanaticism. He's had front-row seats for the rise of the Titans as a result of these fanatics being manipulated, he's watched people he loves and cares for get killed fighting these people and their war of Independence and Freedom. His father was brain-damaged, he basically cut himself off from his own mother. He's seen good people and bad on both sides die. He's cornered generals who were selling their own men out. He's met with enemy commanders he respected and watched them throw themselves off to their death with explosives in hand. He's seen it all, he's been directly involved or a spectator to everything they've thrown out. And he'd be sick of it. He was already sick of it by the end of the One Year War. He was sick of it by Zeta, and he was even more sick of it by CCA. That's why he grabs Char's escape pod and slams it into the falling Axis, that's why he desperately attempts to push it away. That's why he tries to kill Char in hand to hand and that's how he shuts Char's vain attempts to justify his actions and roots out the truth in his war. Amuro has seen for the longest time the reality behind the glossy exterior, behind the ornate decoration, behind the mighty speeches, behind the romantic notions. He's seen how ugly war is as people he cares for die horribly to save him and other's, he's seen and experienced loss personally. So I imagine if Amuro were thinking anything, it'd be the above and how quickly it would be to make another Nu Gundam. Because as much as he hates fighting, he's good at it, and he'll do it to ensure others don't have to, and hope that maybe one day he'll fight the last battle and there will be no others to follow. Edited by Thrawnma, Nov 13 2011, 04:11 PM.
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| VF-15B Banshee | Nov 13 2011, 08:11 PM Post #19 |
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Thank you Thrawnma, that was probably one of the most insightful answers I've ever gotten. |
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| HomelessOne | Nov 13 2011, 08:59 PM Post #20 |
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| Calubin_175 | Nov 14 2011, 07:21 AM Post #21 |
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The episode testified the difference between two armor materials that share the same name. |
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| ChroniK | Nov 14 2011, 10:07 AM Post #22 |
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Gundam Unicorn Episode 4: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmbdfb_gundam-unicorn-episode-4_shortfilms
Edited by ChroniK, Nov 14 2011, 09:27 PM.
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| HellCat | Nov 14 2011, 04:17 PM Post #23 |
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Every episode so far has loosely explored a theme and here it seemed to be bloodlines. This doesn't really help the mystery of Laplace much though. Riddhe was starting to appear to be a decent loose ally to Banagher but after this episode I'm not keen on him at all. First he comes off as creepy by asking Audrey to marry him, then he apparently blames Banagher for whatever terrible secret links their families. I find it especially ironic he gets so nasty with Banagher for not killing Loni, when Riddhe himself basically kidnapped Audrey and deserted. Loni herself was a dissapointment. I'm informed the animation has changed her alot, from a young girl who tries to stop her father using the Shamblo on a pointless massacre to yet another Cyber Newtype damsel who thirsts for said massacre. The result is that the Shamblo comes off as little more then something for a big action sequence and the resolution of killing Loni is far too obvious to any long term fan. Why was the more interesting character dynamic scrapped to repeat old ideas? Banagher's relationship with the Zeon is interesting. After what happened last time I really didn't expect to see him ally with them but it led to some confusing if good scenes. As the conversation in the diner also shows, Unicorn is at it's best when it's taking time to have the characters calmly sit down and debate the highs and lows of human society. Bonus points here for Banagher pointing out how far fetched the idea of a unified Earth Federation would seem to those in 'the past', smoothing over a bit of general audience disbelief. Some of the charm is lost once the captain claims he was just buttering Banagher up to get him on their side, but I wonder how true that is. I appreciate Banagher's stance on not closing your heart simply due to all the crap in the world and acting on your emotions to make a better tomorrow, but for a young man who spent the first half of this episode admitting he basically had no answers it was at times a bit pretentious. The Marida stuff was painful to watch but I was blown away by that cliffhanger. Showing off the plans of a new unit has become a Gundam tradition, but I totally wasn't expecting the Banshee to drop out of the sky like that. Things can only get worse from here, especially with the heavy hint the Federation is now out to actively seperate Banagher and the Unicorn. |
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| balofo | Nov 14 2011, 06:12 PM Post #24 |
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BDRIP OUT!!!!!! EDIT: Please don't make me edit you for use of "Japs" again, balofo. Edited by HomelessOne, Nov 14 2011, 06:54 PM.
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| Bazookafied | Nov 15 2011, 10:52 AM Post #25 |
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Glad I watched it yesterday! It's since been taken down. Still kinda sucks though because I wanted to watch it again with a friend who has been following Unicorn with me. Dang... now all I can do is wait again... |
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| HomelessOne | Dec 14 2011, 04:17 PM Post #26 |
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http://randal.blog91.fc2.com/blog-entry-1712.html
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| Ideon | Dec 14 2011, 04:54 PM Post #27 |
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So much to reply to on that.
Thank God; I like machines with actual torsos.
What, more shots of GM IIs and IIIs standing around slackjawed while ancient Zeek machines have their way with them? No, thank you.
That's pretty much the sole reason Unicorn does anything.
'Zeon remnants living in a ruined White Base! Hilarity!' Ugh. |
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| HomelessOne | Dec 14 2011, 05:09 PM Post #28 |
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Addendum:
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| Ideon | Dec 14 2011, 05:11 PM Post #29 |
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Well, if they're copying anything from the first Zeta movie, might as well be one of the more decent moments I suppose. |
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| HomelessOne | Dec 24 2011, 01:30 PM Post #30 |
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| ChroniK | Dec 28 2011, 08:44 PM Post #31 |
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^Wth?! I didn't even notice those links above, must have overlooked them. |
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| Asami Sato | Jul 13 2012, 02:36 AM Post #32 |
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I must say, this is the single worst Gundam Unicorn episode I have ever seen. Where do I even start? Well, for one, Banagher Links was unbearable. I know many Gundam fans claim Universal Century, and Unicorn in particular, to be manly, but I've seen better in other series, like LoGH. Loni Garvey was the usual, stereotypical "Woman bent on Revenge" character/trope that also served as another Woman in the Refrigerator. Marida gets tortured. Well, what were you expecting, Puru Twelve? Saving one of your captors makes those things happen to you. The Federation was, as usual, incompetent at protecting its own people, and yet for some reason we're supposed to root for them. I suppose it's because they are democratic and all. The Zeon remnants themselves were idiots, as usual, by send all of their forces to attack that base. Wouldn't it have been wiser to make a distraction in, say, another location in the planet, and then attack Torrington and massacre the Feddies there? At least Hilde would've done that. Zinnerman suddenly became all emotional and revenge bent. Funny, considering he spared Banagher in episode 1, and seemingly saved Marida (although the reasons of why she saved her are a bit dubious ).Overall, bad episode that will only be enjoyed for its mechanics porn, as usual. |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Oct 6 2012, 01:13 AM Post #33 |
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Recent G Gen Binge and maining Selene/Unicorn (Because Stargazer as combat unit sucked so needed a white replacment) made me want to re watch the episodes again. Though I could only find 4 and 5. As to Ep.4, what was the point of Loni's brother stabbing himself with the rifle? It also made me remember that I gave 0 ****s about Loni as a character in the OVAs. She was made into just another Zeon zealot. Which is ironic because a lot of the older people like the sleeves and her brother knew it was getting out of hand. Also randomly....Why is it called a Magnum, it's clearly a Rifle. This has honestly bugged me since day one of UC. Even more than newtype shenanigans. |
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| E08 | Oct 6 2012, 06:52 AM Post #34 |
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Err..Kirks isnt Loni's brother, he is more like adoptive father. He stabs his own MS with the rifle because he is trying to create an explosion that may take down the Jestas. Beam + fusion reactor = big boom or so... As for the Magnum, well a normal beam rifle doesnt consume an e-pac(?) in 1 shot and does not fire a beam that big i think. Edited by E08, Oct 6 2012, 06:56 AM.
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| ChroniK | Oct 6 2012, 09:27 AM Post #35 |
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That only makes it sound more like a rifle. |
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| E08 | Oct 7 2012, 02:18 AM Post #36 |
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If that is the case, then what is the normal beam rifle? |
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| ChroniK | Oct 8 2012, 02:50 PM Post #37 |
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Still a rifle? |
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