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| HellCat | Apr 13 2012, 02:39 AM Post #1 |
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Regene Regetta
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As is likely well known, I'm not a fan of how AGE treats its female 'characters'. They often seem to be loitering around the plot rather then involved with it and some, like Emily and Romary, seem to get saddled with 'Stand there and have little to no chemistry with me before you make me a son off screen'. When I've presented this opinion elsewhere, the majority have told me 'Gundam has always been pretty sexist to women, what do you want?'. But is this really true? Further, if Gundam is going to continue to be produced, shouldn't it update itself to modern society? I'd say that whilst the franchise has some weak willed and patronising females, there's also quite a few credible ones. I've just finished watching ZZ for the first time and that has quite a few. If a 26 year old show can do it, what's stopping AGE? Perhaps more relevant, 00 had a ton of well written and independent female characters who were involved with the main plot whilst having their own character arcs. I know that AGE is aiming for a slightly younger audience but does this mean the females should just be left as bland potential girlfriend fodder? |
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| unoservix | Apr 20 2012, 10:38 AM Post #2 |
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Gundam is following the prevailing standard of anime today in general. i'd lay some of the blame at the feet of this whole moe thing, but while AGE's anemic female cast is aggravating, it's only a symptom of a larger problem. i'm not sure Gundam gets to emancipate itself that radically from the mainstream. |
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| SonicSP | Apr 20 2012, 08:44 PM Post #3 |
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Do the Vagans's have two onscreen female pilots compared to the Earth Federation's one? Because Arisa is all I can come up with at the moment and I'm drawing a blank on the rest (I'm not putting Yurin on either count). If that's true, I would find it ironic because the Vagan onscreen has had a smaller onscreen sample size of pilots to draw from and is the more endangered society. On the other hand both examples of Vagan ones are from the Magicians 8 and an elite X-Rounder corp does increase the probability of a more balanced makeup because of the increased marginal utility of an X-Rounder female being a pilot than say not being a pilot. Edited by SonicSP, Apr 20 2012, 08:49 PM.
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| raidenwarrior | May 4 2012, 07:53 PM Post #4 |
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The strong desire to discuss sexism in the Gundam franchise led me down here, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who is so bugged by the saying 'Gundam has always been pretty sexist to women, what do you want?'. Ignorant, arrogant sheep who say this kind of thing blind themselves so willingly to this issue! To me, the modern media portrayal of sexes has barely improved at all -- rather, it got worse. Female characters, even those that are seemingly empowered, continue to be portrayed increasingly as sexual objects (one of those "eye candies"), as if their importance lies not in their true self, but what the corporate media want them to be. Gundam is no exception in the increasingly worsened portrayal of women series by series. Just take SEED for an example. Cagalli Yula Attha, originally an up-strong tomboy, is later revealed to be a runaway PRINCESS, and is then "upgraded" to dressing more femininely! Lacus Clyne is also one of the most anti-feminist characters ever in the franchise - the evidence she presents speaks for itself! Every female character in SEED that is portrayed "femininely" to be "beautiful" is the reason SEED is my least favorite Gundam franchise. Now back to the subject of AGE. So it is aimed at children, yes? Even that is by no means an excuse to sell them the gender bias -- it is the same as appearing to talk to grownups about the injustice but actually teaching children to be ignorant to it like sheep! Trying to please the patriarchal-structured anime corporations like Sunrise as well as the socially-constructed (as opposed to truly universal) societal view of gender only makes an anime work unwatchable, degrading it into not only a mere 20-minute toy commercial, but also a 20-minute sexist propaganda to children. A show like this is just as empty as the inside of G-Armor/ G-Fighter, which Tomino made for irony against the general "kids'" anime shows. To HellCat as well as other anime fans who are critical toward sexism, I'm one of you. And by no means should we expect any more sexism in the media entertainment franchise; wherever there is a sign of it, we'll attack it to its core. The corporate media can only control us if we let them. Edited by raidenwarrior, May 4 2012, 07:57 PM.
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| unoservix | May 4 2012, 08:19 PM Post #5 |
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the problem with sexism in anime like Gundam AGE isn't that women are portrayed as feminine. it's that they're portrayed as helpless, useless, powerless, static, and defined only in terms of a male character. they devolve into tools to explain things like where Asemu and Kio came from. Emily and Romary started out with personalities and plot threads of their own, but those rapidly dwindled to nothing and they turned into afterthoughts. and that is the problem. not only is it rather misogynistic, but it also winds up creating bad characters and bad writing. Lacus is a rather bad example to bring up, then, because she actually kind of completely works against your point. by the end of DESTINY she has enormous power. she outwitted a variety of evil geniuses and conquered ZAFT and reigns supreme over the Earth Sphere. and, well, i dunno about you but conquering the world in a miniskirt seems pretty damn empowering to me. |
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| raidenwarrior | May 4 2012, 09:18 PM Post #6 |
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I sometimes get my brain dead and forget about some of the things I wanted to state such as girls portrayed as powerless and hapless in media. Thanks for pointing that out. However, as I have stated, female characters that are supposedly empowered in the recent media still continue to be sexualized in their body shapes and outfits; it's reaction working against revolution within the corporate media. I listed Lacus Clyne as an example for this reason as she is a popular idol who dresses herself according to conservative standards, and although not stated in the anime show, she is of actual royalty -- a constantly misused gender role in the pop culture. Also, as a "pink princess ", she apparently has no flaws; even if she is wrong, she is right, and she cannot even be injured or killed. Yes, I have to point out that Arisa Gunhale is one of the few -- nevertheless, very few -- female badasses that do not need feminine clothes to be awesome. It's a shame she is not the official girl for Asemu. Edited by raidenwarrior, May 4 2012, 10:24 PM.
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| HellCat | May 7 2012, 07:56 AM Post #7 |
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Regene Regetta
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I think Cagalli is an interesting case. Whilst I'm not a fan of what Destiny did to her (especially if the rumours it's all but made her VA quit the role are true) I think even that had some development for her that is logical. Cagalli is clearly a tomboy but her arc is about learning how to channel her passion and how life sadly isn't quite as straight forward as she'd like to think. That gets shown in Destiny when she tries to take her father's place in politics and learns what a treacherous thing it is. I think it's quite apt that she's officially compared to a rose, since she's obviously a graceful young lady who bears spikes to protect herself. Putting Cagalli into a dress isn't a bad thing. Making her a weak willed cry baby who hands over a custom unit her father designed for her personal use whilst giving up the man who proposed to her because of behind the scenes politics is a bad thing. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | May 8 2012, 08:35 PM Post #8 |
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Do you think some of it might also be the influence of the hentai industry in Japan? |
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| SonicSP | May 8 2012, 08:36 PM Post #9 |
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Personally, I doubt it. Japanese are generally more traditional even outside of anime anyways. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | May 13 2012, 12:09 PM Post #10 |
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Oh and what is Yunoa's grand job on the ship? The frakking... nurse. |
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| unoservix | May 13 2012, 01:44 PM Post #11 |
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what's wrong with that? nurses are crazy awesome (well, except when they're not, but everything is crazy awesome except when it's not). |
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| VF-15B Banshee | May 14 2012, 06:32 PM Post #12 |
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There's nothing wrong with nurses, I guess what I mean is that the role suggests to me that she won't have much screentime and won't allow her to do anything truly interesting. Maybe. |
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| unoservix | May 14 2012, 09:56 PM Post #13 |
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would it make a difference if she had some other job? Frau Bow managed to be plenty relevant and useful and interesting and awesome even though for most of Mobile Suit Gundam her job on the White Base was apparently just to take care of the kids. meanwhile Romary was one of the bridge bunnies and she was boring and useless. the character's job within the story doesn't dictate how they'll turn out. so if Yunoa winds up being another unused female shunted off into oblivion, it would be because that's what AGE has done with almost all of its female characters. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | May 14 2012, 11:29 PM Post #14 |
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You'd think I would have learned by now not to get my hopes up with this show.
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| HellCat | May 20 2012, 05:49 PM Post #15 |
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Regene Regetta
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The only bad thing about Unoa being a nurse is how they tacked it on to Asemu's last episode. It would have been a nice subplot to have had in his arc. Say he checks in with her via a video call and we see she's out there helping patch up survivours of Vagan attacks and learning on the job. Certainly beats the Mini-Me she was to Emily in those first 3 episodes. I think adult Unoa has been ok so far. She's not some groundbreaking character but she's independent and has a bit of an edge (check the look she gives Romary in the 'Asemu's last mission' flashback). Medical staff are just as important in a war as soldiers. If anyone's getting a raw deal of being a nurse, it's Wendy who got stuck with the "Lunch break! Thank you for working so hard!" duty. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | May 21 2012, 08:30 PM Post #16 |
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But she's still technically in the background and I'm not expecting her to get to do anything significant anytime soon. |
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| unoservix | May 21 2012, 08:40 PM Post #17 |
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well, far be it from me to defend AGE's treatment of female characters, but exactly what are you expecting? Yunoa suddenly decides the course of the war by secretly engineering a nanovirus that only harms super robot villains, thus dooming the Vagans to extinction? |
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| Magos Clarke | May 21 2012, 08:42 PM Post #18 |
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I personally consider Arisa one of the better female characters in Gundam since Turn A. The mother characters are complete washes - I never expected them to be anything more than living plot devices, and that's what they were. Yurin, Arisa, much superior characters for a given protagonist. The early reveals of what's what crippled them more than anything else. It's why I haven't written Wendy off as trash yet like I had Romary and Emily, despite loving their VA's. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | May 22 2012, 04:32 PM Post #19 |
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She can't do that, it would put all other super robot shows in peril!
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| HellCat | May 22 2012, 06:20 PM Post #20 |
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Regene Regetta
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Arisa is one of the biggest wastes in the show. They gave us various scenes which build up a friendship between her and Asemu, make it clear she'd like to take it further and then have her lose to Romary, a character who did nothing for 98% of Asemu's arc and whose development with him occurs near completely in the unseen year of high school. And now? Oh of course she became a mother because that's apparently the only thing of worth a woman can do in this show. |
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| Asami Sato | Jul 13 2012, 01:50 AM Post #21 |
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Gundam, especially Universal Century, is sexist. The best (or worse) examples are the highly popular and overrated Zeta and ZZ: there you have the stereotypical bad pilots, the dumb ones and the sexploitative lolis. Whether or not AGE is sexist is out of my hands because I'm not even facing that series. I would like to commend Gundam X and Turn A Gundam, however, for not treating their girls as trash and cutting them some slack for once. G Gundam also gets an award for not following the doomed girlfriend cliché and having a real hero as a protagonist for once. |
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| Asami Sato | Jul 13 2012, 01:52 AM Post #22 |
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And anyone who says Marida Cruz is "awesome" is an idiot. She's worse than a Marvel Comics girl, if you ask me.![]() |
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| Random_GM_Pilot | Jul 13 2012, 06:19 PM Post #23 |
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Lila, Haman, Emma, Mouar, Roux, Elle, and Ilia all off the top of my head would seem not to fit in "bad", "dumb", or "sexploitative loli" categories. Unless by "bad" you mean "antagonist" in which case I still point to Emma, Roux and Elle (with more if we don't limit it to pilots). I would say Chara as well since she seems more batshit insane than stupid and she's surprisingly perceptive when lucid, but...frankly, that's up for debate so I'm crossing her off for this listing. I'm not trying to defend TOMINO DIALOGUE or say that UC is some pinnacle of feminism (because hoo boy is it not) but there are a lot of strong women in these shows. Some are better than others, naturally. Honestly, I kind of wonder whether you watched the shows or read brief summaries of them. I also find it utterly bizarre that you sign up at a forum that is only one letter removed from "Gundam AGE" when you're apparently not at all interested in the show. |
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| Juno | Jul 13 2012, 06:25 PM Post #24 |
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| HellCat | Jul 13 2012, 07:18 PM Post #25 |
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Regene Regetta
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Why? Quite honestly I've found Marida to be one of the most consistently enjoyable characters in Unicorn, to the point episode 5 was a big deal for me because I was worried what was going to happen to her. I can understand not caring at all for the more dark parts of her backstory but she's not some poorly written Frank Miller character. I think she's pretty realistic as someone who had an incredibly painful childhood and has tried to find some joy in her life afterwards. Things such as referring to Zinnerman as 'Master' are simply hard wired holdovers from how Glemy produced her and we clearly see Zinnerman encouraging her to stop doing it. In fact the whole fact that Marida hasn't become some bitter mess but has, for all the shit she's been through, come out of it as someone who wants to believe in good people is pretty encouraging. Look at some other Gundam characters who have a traumatic past and choose to give up on humanity in response. |
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| Asami Sato | Jul 13 2012, 11:02 PM Post #26 |
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Spoiler: click to toggle Haman is one of the prime examples of fiction representing strong women as sociopaths. I may like Haman, but I don't see her as some sort of role model for a little girl. Spoiler: click to toggle What's so great about Elle? I would agree with Ilia, although she wasn't developed enough for my liking.
Why would Chara be a good example? She's an example of the stereotypical "Dumb Sexy Blonde Woman".
I did watch the shows. I've watched every single Gundam series. You could say the OVAs do a real effort to shake off Tomino's mysoginism. But the popular ones like Zeta, which are worshipped like Gaia or Shiva, are sexist. The writers of those shows hate women. Examples of Tomino mysoginism (Gundam mysoginism in general): ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So it's bad to be a woman? F*ck you. And of course, the final, ultimate, disgusting insult: ![]() NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET.
It's Gundam. Enough for me.
They all suck.
I lost 15 f*cking euros because of that episode.
Damaged Goods Moe. Not only is it her backstory, but how she is being handled. Spoiler: click to toggle are sensitive issues that must be addressed responsibly and with an equal level of sensitivity. But considering this is a show written by men who don't give a f*ck about a woman's plight, and that part of its target audience has been Spoiler: click to toggle , it doesn't surprise her issues weren't properly addressed.Instead, we have to endure Banagher's constant whining and fans claim how "manly" that is.
Spoiler: click to toggle And how is she searching for joy again? Fighting for the same people who pretty much caused what happend to her by abandoning her and making her a Spoiler: click to toggle
Then why didn't they explain that on-screen? And that also reinforces my suspicions that Zinnerman and Robot Marida's relationship is beyond "Father-Daughter". I also find it suspicious that Zinnerman would know where to find Marida in the first place. Besides, I'm expecting her to die either in the end of the next episode, or in the middle of the final one. |
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| Juno | Jul 13 2012, 11:27 PM Post #27 |
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@Asami: I'm curious, in your perspective, what do you believe makes a good female character in a gundam series or rather in any anime series? What type of traits would this character have(mannerism, goals, history, personal flaws, influence on others)? |
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| Asami Sato | Jul 14 2012, 12:00 AM Post #28 |
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There are many examples in Gundam in terms of good female characters: G has Allenby Beardsley, and pretty much the entire female cast of Gundam X are examples as well. If you analyse this, there isn't a specific model to follow, like the cheap, easy-to-take Sucker Punch route, or the submissive Marida Robot example, or the good pilot but useless Emma Sheen. For instance: Tiffa Adill is way more interesting character than, say, Marida. Both of them are calm, they are Newtypes (or Marida is an Artificial, but whatever), and many people have tried, or pretty much have succeeded in, using them because of their talents. Now it is very difficult to compare them, because unlike Marida, Tiffa actually has people who truly love her, whereas Marida is only used by some people, other people just don't care, and she herself really doesn't care about her own life. But that's the writers fault, because unlike the people who wrote Gundam X, the people who wrote Gundam Unicorn hate women. Another example: Aina Saharin/Sahalin/Sakhalin/Whatever The F*ck It's Spelled. She isn't a "badass", Sucker Punch type of girl, and she does have a troubled past (at least that's what they imply you with Ginias), but she's willing to do what it takes to be happy. She defies her own nation and family to be happy. Has Marida done that? No, she hasn't. As of Episode 5, she's depended on overgrown children like Banagher and Zinnerman to save her and make her as "happy" (if you can call that "happiness) as possible. Now going back to my answer: there is no definitive model to make a good female character. You could say that there are certain conditions, such as the lack of sexploitation material (rape, sexual violence-related, lolicon and whatnot) and the balance of what is true feminism and straw feminism. There is an anime series I'm particularly fond off, called "Legend of Galactic Heroes". The many interesting and strong girls there have no need to draw a gun or pilot some mobile suit (not that there are any of those in that series, thank God) to be cool. The women there are also treated with respect, and the ones that die aren't given "Woman in the Refrigerator" style deaths, like Gundam tends to. They die for a cause and you actually feel bad for their deaths. Edited by Asami Sato, Jul 14 2012, 12:01 AM.
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| Random_GM_Pilot | Jul 14 2012, 01:13 AM Post #29 |
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I want to say that I love how you don't argue that any of these characters don't meet your three criteria. I don't really care if you like them are not. I was just trying to point out that it's not as bad as you said. I also said why I DIDN'T think Chara was a good example, if you noticed. And uh, there was a reason I didn't list Reccoa or Sarah. They're terrible, terrible characters. I also don't understand how Haman's attachment to Judau is, in and of itself, anti-feminist or something. Unicorn is garbage and I honestly don't care enough about it to debate anything in it. I get the feeling this is going to be an Anwar kind of thing, so I'll probably leave my opinions at this. I encourage everyone else to have fun with the discussion, though. |
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| Asami Sato | Jul 14 2012, 03:56 PM Post #30 |
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I agree with you that everybody is entitled to their opinion.
You are partially correct, as there is nothing as sexist as DC Comics. But I still believe that the writers need to update in their perception of women.
I did not, actually Not when I first read your reply, at least. I had misunderstood you: I thought you meant that Chara was cool just because she piloted a mobile suit (like many other people have tried to convince me on why several female characters are good)
The same reason why I posted those images.
What I meant is that not all strong women need to be cool sociopaths like Haman Karn. And her attachment turned her into a sentimental teenager. A grown up Puru, if you will. That's why I despise that whole business.
Only until very recently did I begin to share that same opinion. |
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| HellCat | Jul 14 2012, 06:49 PM Post #31 |
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Thing is, you're comparing two different situations. All 08th MS Team did was copy Romeo and Juliet, with a fired up Federation and Zeon pilot having to rely on the other, realising the other side wasn't as plain as they thought and falling in love. Who exactly is Marida supposed to fall in love with? Zinnerman, the guy who is clearly like a father to her? Banagher, the teenager who is already spoken for by Mineva? Riddhe who was willing to kill her for piloting a Gundam? In fact I'd actually say her backstory offers a valid reason for why she might not even look at that side of life. People can believe in humanity and still believe things like love and romance are empty. In fact it's known for abused children to find something to live for in life but also feel they can't obtain certain things because of what they experienced in the foundation years of their life, which addresses one of your complaints. Again, this isn't some trashy Frank Miller graphic novel where her character continues to be defined by 'WHORES WHORES WHORES'. |
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| Asami Sato | Jul 14 2012, 08:52 PM Post #32 |
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But there's no need for Marida to fall in love with anyone. It'd make her character arc worse than it already is: if say, Banagher, would fall for her, then it'd be pity love. It wouldn't be because he saw some quality in her beyond the physical (like how Shiro and Aina's attraction was, no matter how beautiful it was). And of course, she would die before the end as usual with Gundam girls, because whenever a tragic female character in Gundam falls in love with someone, she has to die. It's standard protocol in Gundam writing. The only character that has avoided this cliché is Ennil El. But like I said before, Gundam X treats it's women with respect, and treats its cast equally and without any homoerotic wangst (like Unicorn).
In my opinion, they're doing it subtly. They may not say out loudly, but the way everyone treats her ("as that defenseless, poor little girl" like Banagher does, or "that disposable tool" like Martha does) continues evoking that part of her past. They won't let it go, and they won't let her have any kind of closure. If she were really well written, that whole issue would have been addressed properly, resposibly and left behind in Episode 3. I also heard that Unicorn is based on a series of novels, whose author has been accussed of glorifying Imperial Japan. That doesn't help its case. |
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| HellCat | Jul 15 2012, 07:49 AM Post #33 |
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Regene Regetta
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I'm really lost as to what you want. You seem to have these unconfirmed ideals of the division between sexist and empowerment. As for Unicorn's author having controversy attached to him- that's only valid to a point. In the entertainment industry, even the most beloved creators will have at least one shadowy incident. To focus on Marida specifically, it's clearly an ongoing plot thread. She's a clone bred and programmed to be a super soldier who managed to survive the war she was created for and sadly was treated as property. Pretty much all of UC makes it clear that no matter how programmed an Artificial Newtype is there's humanity at the core and ZZ showed deep down the clones retained the essence of the original Ple. Just because people go through crap in their life doesn't mean they reach a fairy tale ending. Banagher's response to Marida is really no different then that countless Gundam protagonists have shown to Artificial Newtypes, with the distinction that Marida actually got some proper time with him as a human. In the animation this is being propped up a bit by what happened with Loni (a character I don't think I've seen anyone defend as well written) but the point is it's Marida's value as a human life that Banagher is shown to defend. He's not even doing it for himself, his dialogue is all about waking her so she can return to the life she made with Zinnerman. I'd say if anyone comes out the situation with questionable morals it's Martha who says 'Neener neener you did it first!' when question on reprogramming Marida and tells Audrey it's a woman's place to use her gender to manipulate men. Throw Alberto in too since he's clearly so smitten with Marida he doesn't care if it requires brainwashing to have her by his side. To offer a depiction of a 'Cyber Newtype' that I felt genuinely fits what you're describing, Louise Halevy in 00 season 2. Chooses to join the army based on what happens, fair enough....then spends the rest of the season as a crazed pill popper who blindly follows Ribbons and has to be saved by Setsuna and Saji. At least Marida has her own mind. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | Jul 15 2012, 01:11 PM Post #34 |
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And we're not even talking about sexism in Gundam AGE, which I thought was the point of this thread. |
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| GWOtaku | Jul 17 2012, 10:45 AM Post #35 |
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I'm in the midst of playing catchup and am in early days for generation 2. It's palpable to me that the problem with AGE and female characters is passive disinterest. It portrays nothing offensive, but it's also guilty of not portraying much of anything. They are, it seems, firmly in the background with minimal involvement in or effect on anything that happens or anyone. I know Millais becomes captain, so there's that. It's not egregious like any of the idiot ball holding that goes on in Z Gundam, but that isn't saying very much. This is not to be expected, no. It's unimaginative and not at all like a host of other characters that in fact had a credible place in other stories, notwithstanding inane complaints that they were "worthless" for being idealists or because they aren't jumping into a mobile suit. Edited by GWOtaku, Jul 17 2012, 10:47 AM.
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| HellCat | Jul 22 2012, 09:40 AM Post #36 |
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Millais as captain was a real waste. It's actually a situation that makes me wonder if this is a side effect of the otaku culture. When 00 premiered the Japanese fanbase adored Sumeragi. Fan art was like machine gun fire. Then season 2 hits, she's 30 and has more realistic proportions...barely anything, it seems she was good as dead. Same thing happened with Millais between Flit's generation and Asemu's. Given Japan has some less than tolerant views on the 'shelf life' of women.... That said, it probably didn't help that the Diva crew were now competing with the Vagan for screentime. However, even if the fans abandoned Sumeragi the actual creators gave her some of her finest hours in season 2. What did Millais get? A token episode with Woolf in which she was basically a subplot and complaining about everything Asemu did. A real shame as this was a perfect chance to show how the war had harderned an old friend without turning them into Flit. |
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| che77a | Oct 23 2012, 09:54 PM Post #37 |
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"A woman's ideals will bring only suffering." - Victory Gundam. You may need to go watch the original gundam shows dude. |
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| Gelgoog Jager | Oct 26 2012, 01:56 AM Post #38 |
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I still think that Fram Nara was a major wasted opportunity: she is first introduced to us as vengful and scheming spy, who seems to trying to carry out her revenge against Zeheart. Furthermore, she is eventually shown to be an extremely powerful X-rounder, capable of actually matching the otherwise plot-invincible Gundams. If she had remained just that, she could have grown into an antagonist of the same level as Haman Karn, one of the most memorable female antagonists among all Gundam. Unfortunately she ends up reduced into a lovesick Zeheart fangirl who is willing to give up her life with almost no second thought when ordered to. I couldn't help but think that she was gradually reduced to just a cute mindless doll just like Stella Loussier (at least the later had the excuse of having someone mess up her brain repeatedly for years). I guess I will at least remember the good times when I thought that she could turn into the main antagonist in the future whenever I see some of the pics showing her serious scheming face. And I suppose I do am looking forward to eventually see the artwork of her which will be included in the deluxe edition of 10th volume of AGE. |
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Not when I first read your reply, at least. I had misunderstood you: I thought you meant that Chara was cool just because she piloted a mobile suit (like many other people have tried to convince me on why several female characters are good)
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