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| HomelessOne | Sep 28 2011, 10:53 PM Post #1 |
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Introduced in Flit's Chapter Millais Alloy Largan Drace Adams Tinel Ino Resin Walt Bet Edward Ottawa Onette Cory Introduced in Asemu's Chapter Alan Lightney Irissya Murai Wilna Janisty Elle Tonys Odio Bran Obright Lorain Max Hartway Arisa Gunhale Remi Ruth Introduced in Kio's Chapter Natora Einus Ali Lane Ayla Rose Carl Dawson Otro Banta Ethan Shello Wong Castrova Seric Abis Shanalua Mullen Jonathan Gistabe Derek Jacklow
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| HomelessOne | Nov 25 2011, 05:50 PM Post #2 |
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http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/94764578.jpg/ Just demonstrating that the other bridge crew members actually do have art and names. EDIT And hey, now they have profiles on the official site. Starting post updated, and as always AGE's names are insane so spellings may change. Edited by HomelessOne, Dec 12 2011, 04:15 PM.
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| HellCat | Dec 12 2011, 04:37 PM Post #3 |
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Regene Regetta
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She's been absent for a spell but I'm intrigued how Alloy totally got what the Zedas was doing by creating confusion. Forget Newtype senses, she's got all encompasing Common senses. Here's hoping she gets a captain's seat later. |
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| HomelessOne | Dec 18 2011, 02:27 PM Post #4 |
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I really don't get where they're going with Largan. I actually think he has a neat character design, but does he really serve any purpose? He barely gets any screen time, rarely interacts with other characters, and due to the lopsided portrayal of MS he's useless in combat even when he does get to do something. Are the constant insinuations he's a valuable member of the team just the staff poking fun at the situation, or are they actually trying to convince us? |
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| EXE | Dec 18 2011, 02:31 PM Post #5 |
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Knowing Japan, it's almost certainly the latter. I like Largan a lot, but it's impossible to overlook the fact that the most useful thing he's done so far is take his time getting his ass kicked so Titus could fly in and save the day. |
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| HellCat | Jan 22 2012, 03:09 PM Post #6 |
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Regene Regetta
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I'm glad that Millais got the final scene. It does a good job of setting her up for her promotion and makes it clear that a needed seed of rebellion is in the system. It's going to be very interesting to see how she responds to the return of the UE. |
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| HomelessOne | Feb 6 2012, 02:12 PM Post #7 |
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http://www.gundam.info/topic/6634 Haha, sweet. Largan won the male character vote for the third Blu-Ray illustration. EDIT http://i.imgur.com/ddDhA.jpg To no surprise, they finally confirm Alisa's last name is Gunhale. EDIT EDIT http://i.imgur.com/fB5HO.jpg The new Diva crew. Lens Flare = Odio Bran Blonde = Ilicia Murai Brunette = Wilna Janisty Eyebrows = El Tonys Tall Guy = Alan Lightney Edited by HomelessOne, Feb 10 2012, 12:22 AM.
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| Hobbes | Feb 9 2012, 06:21 PM Post #8 |
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Stuffed Tiger / Philosopher
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While confirmation of Alisa as a Gunhale is a bit of a duh, I wonder who her mother is. I will note that I am perhaps far too excited to see Alisa in action, though. I get the feeling I am going to be seriously let down. XD Regarding the names of the crew...good lord. AGE is really going for the record with this stuff. |
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| HomelessOne | Feb 9 2012, 06:23 PM Post #9 |
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My guess at the moment. Though age is pretty hard to gauge with, well, AGE designs. |
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| HellCat | Feb 9 2012, 08:01 PM Post #10 |
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Regene Regetta
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I still wanna know what a ZZ character is doing on the Diva. |
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| HomelessOne | Feb 9 2012, 08:37 PM Post #11 |
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Hey, surnames for the other 2/3rds of the grunt trio: Max Hartway/Heartway Obright Lowrein/Lauraine Damn AGE names. I still don't know what romanization they'll go with for "Obright", and I half-expect Alisa to be "Aretha" or something. Speaking of, she looks pretty gung-ho. |
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| Hobbes | Feb 9 2012, 11:41 PM Post #12 |
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Stuffed Tiger / Philosopher
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Honestly, that's not a bad guess, I'd say. Hopefully we find out soon.
XD "Aretha" might not be so bad. It would amusing when one considers her father is named Dique, though. Everything would sound so close to being named after bodyparts.
Looking pretty awesome there, Alisa! |
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| HomelessOne | Feb 11 2012, 11:35 AM Post #13 |
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http://i.imgur.com/gasax.jpg This says Arisa, at least. |
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| Hobbes | Feb 19 2012, 01:19 AM Post #14 |
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Stuffed Tiger / Philosopher
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A cool image of Arisa from the AGE twitter: http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa476/fabulous_mr_hobbes/AGE%20Twitter/age_twitter-alisa.jpg |
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| HellCat | Feb 19 2012, 05:24 PM Post #15 |
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Regene Regetta
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Alot of us were surprised to learn that Flit had little to no contact with the Diva crew in the last 25 years, to the point Dique and Woolf were only just meeting his son. It got me thinking that from Ambat onwards there's been an undercurrent of him turning his back on them. After losing Yurin, he wordlessly returns to the Diva to get the Normal parts and in the control room face off he's seperate from the rest of the crew during the clash of ideals. Has Flit so given up on his 'I want to be a saviour with Gundam' view that now even the Diva is simply another cog in the war machine he maintains to wipe the Vagan from existance? |
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| SonicSP | Feb 19 2012, 05:49 PM Post #16 |
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I don't find it that surprising frankly, sometimes people just drift away from each other and have their own lives. |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Feb 21 2012, 04:08 AM Post #17 |
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The world needs only one Small Boss!
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Not to mention that Flit had formally joined the military, and was moving on in life in his own way doing so. They probably just never got to get the chance before. With him living a normal life and the rest of them off fighting. |
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| HellCat | Feb 26 2012, 02:11 PM Post #18 |
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Regene Regetta
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I liked Arisa's "Did we even have time to?" when asked if she'd thought about the enemy pilots last week, but the immediate follow up of "This is war" annoyed me. That always strikes me as a non-answer whenever a character says it. I can accept when a character views fighting in war a necessary evil to protect things but when you just say "That's how it is" it seems kind of heartless. A shame from a character who seems to have it otherwise together. |
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| Thrawnma | Feb 26 2012, 03:48 PM Post #19 |
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Man, have you ever stopped to consider what it is to end another person's life, in all that it entails? Their breath leaves their body, their brain shuts down and goes black... forever. You're taking away the chance of memories with their friends and family, any opportunity for them to make an impact on the world for good or ill. Maybe they weren't a bad person, maybe they were. You ever think about looking in someone's eyes as they die, watching them die, with the knowledge you took it away? Do you want to think about that? That's why soldiers are trained to think of the enemy as "the enemy" and not "those other people". PTSD exists for a very real, terrible reason. And she's absolutely right -- it is war. You can't stop to deliberate and dwell on this stuff. You can't afford to hesitate, or you die. There's really not much more to it. It is war, maybe the fact is you never really stopped to think about what actually is. |
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| HellCat | Feb 26 2012, 05:30 PM Post #20 |
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Regene Regetta
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For starters, get off your high horse. The gravity of taking a live is EXACTLY what I was referring to. In the past, we've seen characters say "I don't want to fight and kill but it's the only way to protect what I care about". Arisa's dialogue this week seemed to lack that motivation, coming across as 'well there's a war going on now so I'll fight'. It just seemed to be a conviction lacking statement. I'm fully aware that if a soldier was constantly thinking about how many lifes they'd cut short they wouldn't be able to function in that role. However, that's exactly why they surely need a strong reason to commit those very acts. I realise the purpose of the scene was Arisa encouraging Asemu to fight but she also seems genuine enough to present her honest feelings on any given subject. It especially stood out in a series where the enemy are a bunch of human colonists who were left to die on another planet and want to return home. You'd assume strong motivations would exist in a generation that was born into that war. |
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| HomelessOne | Feb 26 2012, 05:47 PM Post #21 |
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I don't know, I want to say that you're probably reading too much into it. The scene seems centered more around Asemu's naivety and how his thinking differs from the other soldiers. When asked if she thinks about the enemy pilots Arisa replies that she would try not to because they're in the middle of a war. It is an honest, legitimate perspective that reinforces that war is an ugly, unpleasant thing. I don't think that's undermined by her failure to follow up with a statement about having things to protect. Some things simply don't need to be said, and with the Vagan war threatening humanity as a whole I don't think she lacks a motive to fight. If anything I think the episode shows that it is Asemu who lacks conviction and, despite his claims in ep18, a lack of forethought about what it meant to enlist in the military. |
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| HomelessOne | Apr 8 2012, 02:53 PM Post #22 |
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So...uh, Obright. Dying horribly in episode 27, or is his massive death flag just a red herring? I can't see either of the Adele pilots dying, especially if Obright does. Arisa seems 'too important' in a minor character way, and Max has been so unimportant and poorly characterized that I think it'd ironically be a waste of time to kill him off. |
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| HellCat | Apr 9 2012, 05:23 PM Post #23 |
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So I'm very nearly finished with ZZ and by this point I'm very much convinced Remi was created by way of running Milly through the current moe standards. I'll admit I smiled during the scene between her and Orbright this week but she really bugs me for being a fairly flat character who seems to be there for the viewers who like stuff like K-On to eat up. Especially since AGE is generally lacking in consistent strong females. Seriously, if ZZ could give us characters like Elle back in 1986 what's stopping AGE now? |
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| VF-15B Banshee | Apr 9 2012, 07:26 PM Post #24 |
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Because it's not 1986 and Gundam's fanbase apparently need to be force-fed tropes in order to stay interested? I mean, even with all the jiggling and fanservice, at least SEED had female AND male characters that were worth a smeg. Well, except for Meer. Edited by VF-15B Banshee, Apr 9 2012, 07:29 PM.
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| HomelessOne | Apr 13 2012, 09:47 PM Post #25 |
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Something that's really disappointed me is how...unimportant Milly's been since her promotion. Grodek set the bar high for the requisite ship captain's plot relevance, and the epilogue to Flit's chapter made it seem like she was going to take on a major role. But I think she's had fewer lines as a Captain than as just an operator, plus you had Woolf undermining her authority and Flit is happy to constantly steal her spotlight on the bridge. |
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| unoservix | Apr 14 2012, 11:43 AM Post #26 |
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i think it was sort of inevitable that Millais wasn't going to be as prominent in Asemu's arc as Grodek was in Flit's arc, since it was Grodek's independent actions that drove the plot and there's not much room for Millais to do the same, but if Grodek was central to Flit's arc then Millais has gone way the hell too far in the other direction and she sort of comes off like she never actually got promoted. |
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| HellCat | Apr 14 2012, 02:14 PM Post #27 |
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Regene Regetta
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For me, I think the problem is the missed 25 years. It's clear that quarter of a century has harderned Milly but the attitude just makes her come off as kind of bitchy when we know basically nothing about them and she has little screentime. Also, if any other character should have had a reaction to Grodek's death it should have been her. It makes me wonder if she's headed for a Natarle ending, standing up to Algreus and revealing that Flit had told her what happened before they left Solon. That like Grodek, she'd happily die to save her crew. |
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| HomelessOne | Apr 27 2012, 07:09 AM Post #28 |
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Believe that's Obright in the back: http://i.imgur.com/mOwhn.jpg Continuing the proud AGE tradition of OLD = BEARD, it appears. |
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| unoservix | Apr 27 2012, 09:36 AM Post #29 |
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those look more like Grodek's glorious mutton chops honestly, though, i support the trend of men wearing awesome beards. why did we stop doing that? |
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| SonicSP | Apr 28 2012, 08:39 PM Post #30 |
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Because it can be uncomfortable and extremely distracting, I know mine grows too fast and its kinda strong so it wears out the razors fast too (which ultimately cost me more money since those things are expensive). It does look better when your older though. Edited by SonicSP, Apr 28 2012, 08:45 PM.
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| SonicSP | May 4 2012, 02:53 AM Post #31 |
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I know Millais didnt do much in Chapter 2, but I sort of miss her anyways. |
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| HomelessOne | May 4 2012, 05:50 PM Post #32 |
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The shift to a largely new cast is interesting. Ignoring the necessity due to large chunks of the old characters now being in their 60s and 70s, it pulls us out of our "comfort zone" of familiar faces. It is a new generation that's inherited an old war, and I hope we'll be able to see what they do with it without the generation they inherited it from exercising too much control like they did in Asemu's chapter. |
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| Random_GM_Pilot | May 4 2012, 05:57 PM Post #33 |
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ie hopefully someone, *anyone* on the Diva will be interesting as a new character and get some focus. The only Gen 2 addition to the Diva that had any real impact was Arisa, and she was terribly wasted. Obright was okay, but...honestly forgettable if not for piloting a blue Genoace II. |
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| SonicSP | May 4 2012, 09:35 PM Post #34 |
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New cast also means it might be easier to push them aside if you ask me, but you never know. It also means less things to develop from, since they have to start from scratch, something that that was never need to be done with Woolf or Milais. It might bring a more refreshing feeling but it might have some downsides as well, so I guess we'll have to see how the execution goes. Obright is presumably there and who knows maybe even Flit (would be weird if they just pushed HIM aside now out of nowhere), so it could still end up like Chapter 2 where some new people got pushed aside.
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| HomelessOne | May 4 2012, 09:45 PM Post #35 |
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Speaking of Obright, I'm still blown away by how damn old he looks: http://i.imgur.com/wtHjc.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5DzIZ.jpg I mean, yeah, he is about 50 now, but I think he's aged worse than pretty much any other recurring character in the series. |
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| unoservix | May 4 2012, 09:47 PM Post #36 |
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seeing as how Flit is still looming large in the background of the promotional images, like he did in Asemu's arc, i doubt he's going anywhere. but i do hope the new crew gets a chance to shine. Seric is obviously able to go into a fight without shitting himself (YES I AM LOOKING AT YOU MAX) and hopefully the same is true of his flunkies. Natola might be interesting, as an inexperienced captain with big shoes to fill--which might provide one avenue for Flit to remain relevant without riding shotgun in the AGE-3. on the other hand, i hope that doesn't mean Flit just winds up constantly stealing her thunder, like he did with Millais, but AGE's track record here doesn't give me much cause for hope. and i will also add that i am not encouraged by how prominent the three little war orphans have been in the OP and whatnot. the Terrible Trio from the White Base was pushing it already but Battleship Daycare is not really something i want to see again. so if AGE has to hype something and then subsequently forget to do anything with it rather than go the way i'm expecting, i would prefer it to be with those three. Edited by unoservix, May 4 2012, 09:49 PM.
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| raxtenko | May 4 2012, 09:50 PM Post #37 |
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Obright looks amnish to me now. |
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| HomelessOne | May 6 2012, 10:58 PM Post #38 |
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Given that Flit clearly seems to think he's still in charge, it might make for an interesting milestone for Natora to let him know who actually runs her ship. |
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| raxtenko | May 6 2012, 11:04 PM Post #39 |
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That could be really awesome. And then she whacks him with her sketchbook. |
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| Calubin_175 | May 7 2012, 03:39 AM Post #40 |
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Obright didn't get promoted within the 25 years. |
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| HellCat | May 7 2012, 07:39 AM Post #41 |
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I really hope Natora is treated well as a character. As was said in the episode 30 thread, she's on the tight rope of being a good character or falling into being a moe icon (Pixiv has certainly exploded with art of her in the last 24 hours). Given how dynamic she looks in the OP, I'd like to believe we're going to see her progress into a capable captain when all is said and done. I think it's needed, especially after Millais was so criminally underused in the second generation. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | May 7 2012, 09:44 AM Post #42 |
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Don't get your hopes up. 99% of the predictions I keep making about AGE end up not happening, so the odds are against us. |
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| Seric Abis | May 7 2012, 11:01 AM Post #43 |
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To be fair obright should be at least leading out his own team as he is a much experience pilot than Seric but he does get his own MS the Genoace o custom. |
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| SonicSP | May 7 2012, 12:34 PM Post #44 |
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Could be that he's just not good at leading. Experience can be a good attribute for a leader, but some people necessrily choose not to just because of the extra burden or if his leadership scores are just bad. |
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| Seric Abis | May 7 2012, 12:41 PM Post #45 |
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obright looks very depressed and has anger inside him |
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| SonicSP | May 7 2012, 01:14 PM Post #46 |
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Well, that can't be good for your career. I mean to be good, you need anger and drive like Flit.Of course, being an engineering, piloting and tactical master helps too. Edited by SonicSP, May 7 2012, 01:14 PM.
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| unoservix | May 7 2012, 01:26 PM Post #47 |
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and a mustache. no wonder he got passed up. he insisted on the beard without the mustache and you just can't do that in the Federation Forces. |
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| HomelessOne | May 7 2012, 06:43 PM Post #48 |
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Obright isn't depressed, the reason he fears nothing is because he's realized his death flags kill everyone else. |
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| Random_GM_Pilot | May 7 2012, 06:57 PM Post #49 |
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Or maybe they're just on a time delay like Woolf's. |
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| HomelessOne | May 7 2012, 09:00 PM Post #50 |
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You know, it is kind of weird that Derek is nowhere to be seen in the OP. He's not in the Clanche sequence with Seric/Shanalua/Jonathan, and he's even absent from the cast montage where they squeezed Obright in. |
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I mean to be good, you need anger and drive like Flit.
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