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| balofo | Sep 23 2012, 03:36 PM Post #1 |
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My verdict is: 2/10 Just as bad as X, 08th, Turn A, Destiny, 00 S2 and ZZ. I wonder how the Bandai executives are feeling after hiring Hino, since the series and the game were complete failures. |
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| Random_GM_Pilot | Sep 23 2012, 03:50 PM Post #2 |
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That's about what I'd rate this thread, incidentally. Especially in terms of originality or entertainment value. |
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| Magos Clarke | Sep 23 2012, 03:51 PM Post #3 |
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You got shit taste balofo. Just saiyan. |
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| HellCat | Sep 23 2012, 03:55 PM Post #4 |
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Regene Regetta
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Hmmm....7/10, I think. AGE made some poor choices but I don't think it made the same blunt mistakes as Geass R2 and Destiny, which felt in love with themselves even as they got worse and worse. I really do think Gundam fans expect way too much at times. |
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| balofo | Sep 23 2012, 04:01 PM Post #5 |
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TFW you succeed at trolling people on the internet
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| raxtenko | Sep 23 2012, 04:01 PM Post #6 |
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Age wasn't blighted by 50 episodes of Ougi. So that's an automatic +1 from me, after I watch 49. |
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| HomelessOne | Sep 23 2012, 04:29 PM Post #7 |
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Veda Terminal
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I think I'll be exceedingly generous and also give AGE a 7 out of 10. In the end I still loved a lot of the ideas the series put forth, even if the staff made a lot of mistakes in their execution. To the end I looked forward to watching AGE each weekend, and I actually intend to watch the series all over again sometime soon. It fell far short of its potential, but despite many disappointments I don't feel like I wasted the time I invested in the series. |
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| balofo | Sep 23 2012, 04:32 PM Post #8 |
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I actually dropped 00 S2, but AGE I kept on watching every week. I guess I was hoping for a battle as good as ep 20 |
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| VF-15B Banshee | Sep 23 2012, 04:45 PM Post #9 |
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The fact that you think X , 08th, Turn A and 00S2 are bad is very telling. |
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| Random_GM_Pilot | Sep 23 2012, 04:59 PM Post #10 |
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It does honestly make me cringe to see the disgusting mess that was 00 thrown in with the other three. |
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| balofo | Sep 23 2012, 05:17 PM Post #11 |
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But they are agreed to be objectively bad by the more experienced Gundam Fans and Japan as a whole: -08th only saving grace is the Gouf battle. Unlikable charas, MP Gundams when they should be GMs, LOL Apsalus, LOL worth love story and that last episode. Director died before the end, production was a mess -00 S2 was good until ep 3 (also the GOD tier S1 last episodes), then it went into a downwards spiral of low quality: Inovators supposed to be god tier pilots are as bad as Tieria, LOL Mistah Bushido, MARIE!, Battery-kun, Saachez is parody of Yazan in ZZ, Sumeragi suddenly isn't more a tactic genius, Ribbons is all talk, Lockon 2.0, bad romance, LOL Nena and the chinese girl being useless, Setsuna(worst protagonist ever) even as HAX innovator struggles against everyone. The Solar elevator eps was the bottom barrel of the show. -Turn A: no action at all, unlikable charas, weird chara design, weird setting(planes against state of the art MS, really?), Tomino LOL worthy dialogue and pace, Gym was a forgettable villain, WTF was that rushed ending? with Gym being cocooned all of a sudden. Weird MS design. Only good point: it's Tomino's last Gundam series, THANK GOD! -X: cancelled, no plot direction at all, setting could be awesome but suffered from poor execution, LOL Frost bros, forgettable grunts, plot armor for Garrod, rushed ending, etc |
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| raxtenko | Sep 23 2012, 06:27 PM Post #12 |
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Now that I'm done watching, I'll give Age a 6.5 or 7.5 with my +1 no-ougi modifier. Flit's arc was all right, had some good ideas. Asemu's arc was pretty good, but the pacing was a bit meh for me. Kio's arc wasn't all that great and the three Gundams arc shit all over itself. A lot of the characters weren't handled very evenly or well, and all the love interests sucked ass. But the heights that Flit hit, and sometimes Asemu before he stumbled into a treasure chest were honestly more enjoyable to me than Innovation or Athrun staring at the sun and angsting about some stupid shit. But for everything I negative I throw out, I still honestly enjoyed the series. The fight scenes were all right at best to verging on good, which is honestly a hell of a lot better than the last two series, barring the insanity of the Trailblazer's final battle. While the grunt designs well ok for the most part and definitely not as good as 00's I appreciated that the Genoace was still around and that a bunch of grunts essentially defeated Zera Gins for the most part. Also the Gundam designs were a highlight for me, because for the first time in a long time I actually liked them. The Age-1 updated a classic look, Age-2 took it further and even built my ideal for a Gundam, something that only the Destiny Gundam ever did, and it wasn't even that great. Age-3 was a blocky bruiser and it was great. But most importantly, I really liked forward to watching the new episode every week, it didn't turn into annoyed indifference like Seed, or loathing like Destiny or throwing my hands up in the air and exclaiming, "Fuck it" like with 00. |
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| HellCat | Sep 23 2012, 07:45 PM Post #13 |
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Regene Regetta
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Re: shows being 'proven' to be bad. I don't really trust an argument that uses pointless fan memes, especially ones barely anyone uses despite what one or two forums insist. If you don't like a series, argue as to why you feel this way and what could be improved. Don't throw out unfunny internet jokes or claim to be the voice of the absent/silent majority. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | Sep 23 2012, 09:49 PM Post #14 |
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Uh, yeah dude, don't try to pass off your personal opinions as fact. As for AGE, I'm saving the bulk of my comments until later but for now, I'll give it a 5/10. It didn't piss me off like Destiny did, but it certainly failed to live up to its premise. Hopefully, whatever comes next will be better, whatever it is. |
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| balofo | Sep 23 2012, 10:19 PM Post #15 |
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Please prove with factual data that these shows are good
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| Hobbes | Sep 23 2012, 10:30 PM Post #16 |
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Stuffed Tiger / Philosopher
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You made the initial claim, so the onus is on you to prove it, not him. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | Sep 23 2012, 10:32 PM Post #17 |
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We can't, because all the stuff you posted is opinion. Unlikeable characters in 08th? I happen to like Shiro, Sanders, Karen and the others. You're going to have to explain yourself with "factual data" as to why these are bad characters. And X was cancelled after it was moved to a bad timeslot and its ratings plummeted, not before. And isn't this off-topic anyhow? |
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| Ideon | Sep 23 2012, 10:35 PM Post #18 |
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This is my Gundam face.
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'More experienced' Gundam Fans and Japan love Zeta. Do I need to say more? |
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| balofo | Sep 23 2012, 11:30 PM Post #19 |
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Implying Z isn't a timeless classic and better than your favorite one |
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| unoservix | Sep 24 2012, 01:09 AM Post #20 |
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the fact that he cites the Japanese fandom as the proof of his opinion's superiority and ignores how they quite enjoyed the same shows he considers shit is all you really need to know about balofo anyways in the end i have to give AGE a 7/10. a C. if you were to summarize all its major ideas and plot points, it would sound great; it just fell apart in the details. perfect example of this is Kio's schtick in the Three Generations chapter. the big idea is that Kio comes back from Second Moon determined to end the war and sees that his grandpa is sort of going off the deep end; this coincides with Asemu's revelation that he's been artificially creating a stalemate so that both sides will eventually give up and stop fighting. as for Kio, though, he's determined to end the war with as little bloodshed as possible, he has a Gundam uniquely capable of pulling off a nonlethal fighting style, nobody else supports him except his father (who knows what it's like to have your dad expecting you to live up to his example), he knows how reckless this is and what long odds he faces, and at no point does the show ever make it easy for him to pull this off. sounds great, right? then you get into the details and the execution. they never really give any weight or focus to Asemu's side in all this, so rather than looking like the pragmatic middle ground between crazy Flit and naive Kio, he just seems like a weenie off on the side. they never flesh out what it is Kio believes, so he winds up just constantly repeating himself and sounding like an idiot, and it means Flit--the crazy angry hateful genocidal guy--is the only one who sounds like he's actually thought through his position and reached this point in his life by some reasonable chain of events and reactions thereto. the show does indeed make it hard for Kio to make his idea work--so hard, in fact, that he almost never actually succeeds, and since it never gives him anything to say other than "let's stop fighting and understand each other," he sounds like an idiot. you'd have to go back to Shinn Asuka to find a main character in Gundam whose own show was out to get him more than AGE was out to screw over Kio. AGE is full of stuff like that. Fardain sounds great on paper, but then they spend so long there and get so vague and ambiguous as to what the hell Zalam and Euba actually are that it loses its luster. Asemu's entire arc sounds great--a kid in his father's shadow who sets impossible expectations for himself and strikes up a star-cross'd friendship with someone on the other side--but they spend so long tearing him down that he has almost no time to get built back up. Zeheart's character sounds great on paper--a man of conflicting instincts, between his brutal zealous devotion to The Plan and his sympathy for his subordinates--but they never bring those characterizations together and instead just lurch between them as the plot requires. EXA-DB and Sid sound great on paper, but they never do anything with it except make it a bonus boss and then make it the Vagan Gear's "One Winged Angel" moment. Vagan in general sounds great on paper, but we never see much of them besides the crazy arrogant X-Rounders in the military, and by the time we even get to see their home colony it's too late to move the impressions of them. of course, it has its moments of just plain unvarnished stupidity, too. the female cast is a well-worn complaint. AGE's habit of lingering on things for longer than necessary--like Fardain or the Luna Base arc--is another. and then there's the whole Bisidian schtick, and how they pretty much turned Asemu into a nearly completely different character. on the other hand, AGE gets a lot of undeserved or unreasonable flak. it's pretty special to see people howling about how AGE should have ended with Flit massacring the Vagans because they are so terrible and evil and unsympathetic, and then go to another thread and tell you how Zeon's colony drops and giant mobile armor murderfests are noble acts of defiance against unjust authority. the pretense that Flit's boundless hatred is so justified is pretty spectacular too. Flit has some rough patches in his life, to be sure, but he's a technical genius, a wealthy man, an accomplished officer with a successful career behind him, and he has a family that still loves him even as he wallows in hatred. compared to the likes of Amuro and Kamille he made out like a bandit. but then, AGE has its moments of being actually really good, too. there's the mecha designs, for one: i haven't found a single one in this show that i didn't like; even the Gurdolin won me over, due in no small part to Godom's derpy facial expressions. there's the AGE Builder itself; it never became the one-stop ass-pulling plot armor machine that it seemed like it would become. there's the general progression of technology, which, other than the AGE System, happens so haltingly that it's actually fairy, dare i say it, "realistic." there's the arcs of certain characters, like Asemu's chapter (where he has some pretty relatable issues and, unlike Gundam characters before him, never really does any utterly ridiculous bullshit over it and never manages to get away with the dumb shit he does do). there's Flit, who probably beats out everyone else to be the most multifaceted and interesting Gundam protagonist we've yet seen. there's the numerous small moments that turn out to be brilliantly done, like Woolf's pep talk to Asemu after the stolen-Vagan-helmet fiasco, or Obright still cleaning up the Diva's hangar twenty-five years later. it's just that AGE never really had the time and space to give this stuff all the detail and attention it deserved--and in its rush to get everything in, it often stumbled. even then, i never really got the impression that its stumbles were the result of what wrecked DESTINY and 00, the cynical attempts to just cash in on previous Gundam shows. AGE was always dripping with references and callbacks to its predecessors, but it never just copypasta'd their stories. so AGE was done in by a bunch of honest fuckups, i guess, to the extent you can consider that "defense." it stumbled and fell a lot, and that's a shame, and we got a middling product as a result, but i can't say it was a trainwreck. it was, well, a C. |
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| Kyosuke Nanbu | Sep 24 2012, 04:29 AM Post #21 |
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The world needs only one Small Boss!
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But 8th was one of the worst gundam titles of all time. As to the topic, 5/10. I would have give it a 7 or so, But Kio single handedly ruined AGE-3 for me that it lost a point, not to mention that the ending being so horribly rushed cause it to drop another. It had good concepts, but every time they had something good and tried to go with it, it just ended up back firing on them. I actually miss the whole fake spoilers about the UE being humans from the future who are trying the force technology to develop further. Flit was still the best part of the series though, As well as THE main character. Asem and Kio were nothing but supporting characters to further develop Flit's character from different point of views and stand points. |
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| VF-15B Banshee | Sep 24 2012, 11:29 AM Post #22 |
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Oh that's just 'cause of the last episode of 08th. If you skip that, it's just fine.
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