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"...most people just post and discard their posts..." explained the goblin who was a livewriter like many of those other livewriters out there, continuing "...that is they never return to their posts to edit them into something more in tune with what the actually meant to convey to begin with, yet a livewriter does exactly this, that is he or she edits the post as they see fit until the post itself is a standalone work, why, for at least two reasons then, one, that of seeing who one is by what one posts, and two, that today's readers have neither time nor stamina nor inclination to read at length like they once did, where for example only 3% of americas read books today...", thus the goblin felt that the writer of today had to go out to the 93% left to find those amount them who were still literate enough to read posts in rapport with the author now, simply the hitcount is the readership where the livewriter was on a journey to self now

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Da Magician observed that live writing was indeed 'alive', for it did not pretend to be set in the stone which is printed paper, with its claims of authority and dusty eternity, but went into the fluid electric library which is the web; a note within the endless shelves of a Borgesian Library of Babel...
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("...ok, notifications not coming through as of yet..." mentioned the goblin thanking the magician now, adding "...from page 155 onwards then, hopefully new to most readers here...")

repost from elsewhere, goblin welcoming someone on a writer's forum

"...catch me if you can human..." went the goblin in a welcoming gesture, adding "...they mean well in their deception here, but the truth is that writertypes don't make very good superheros now, I mean yes you've read those marvel comics and not once do we ever read "and so, with the world once more in great peril, all eyes were fixed on our hero of the moment, yes wonderwriter himself, whose power to sit blankly at the computer typing out endless inner visions, plots and character interactions, no doubt meant that the world was probably doomed now, but would still get an excellent review later", anyway, if you're sure that this livewriting idea is for you then welcome aboard here, ah but do remember that you still have time to be normal instead..."

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("...observe how the pictures come out beautifully in the dark background..." mentioned the goblin thanking admin then, adding "...I'll see if I can do a post a day on this thread, all I need now is notifications and then I'm settled in I suppose...")

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"...yes, that's a funny thing that isn't it..." started the goblin, welcoming xxxxx here, explaining "...I mean one goes through most of one's life learning something to excel in it only to reach a point where one feels it's time to unlearn it in one's own way, whereupon the way in which one actually rejects that standard way is in fact the way that one will be remembered by it...", perhaps the goblin was thinking upon the "greats" now, and how each in their turn had branched out into their own way at some point, van gogh, beatles, dickens, where conversely no one seems remembered for following the tried and tested way, and yet we all start from learning the standard way don't we, so the goblin just concluded "...guess this is why I livewrite then, that at some point I have to diverge from the standard way, so perhaps the only real question is ever how to, and when then..."

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(where upon the goblin posted another, saying "...same trick as elsewhere, three numbers at the bottom of some pictures being the number of the original thread page, the number of posts, and the number of hits received with a goal of 10,000hits in a year..." )

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"Ah... perhaps..." the salient observer said whilst still remaining hidden behind the shadows that shielded him, "perhaps, though I'm not sure yet, perhaps... the Goblin's ultimate goal after all of this is... WORLD DOMINATION! Yes! Indeed! That can be the only logical explanation!! After all this posting the Goblin would've finally succeeded in brainwashing the weak minded denizens of the internet into believing that he was some sort of God amongst the mortals by posting relentlessly and showing to the world that he, and only he, who could according to some previous posts also be a she, is the one and only person's whose voice must be heard." The observer observed this and decided that he must be the one to warn the others. He set out on his arduous task immediately. The world must know the truth! It's not too late as of yet.


and with that the goblin welcomed the salient observer back to this land of insomnia, saying "...missed you actually, whereas if you had been the remotest bit normal I wouldn't have I imagine, nor noticed your absence neither, but no, world domination sounds like too big a responsibility for me, so no, let's just settle for world recognition of my anonymity instead, I mean becoming some real known unknown sounds cool..."

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the Goblin's ultimate goal after all of this is... WORLD DOMINATION! Yes! Indeed! That can be the only logical explanation!! After all this posting the Goblin would've finally succeeded in brainwashing the weak minded denizens of the internet into believing that he was some sort of God amongst the mortals by posting relentlessly and showing to the world that he, and only he, who could according to some previous posts also be a she, is the one and only person's whose voice must be heard."



Da Magician reflected upon those words, so near to his own. Or more precisely, so exactly his own.

"The desire for self-perpetuation takes many forms." Da Magician stated. "Fame is but the desire to perpetuate the memory of one's form."

"Now, not all fames are created equal; there are those that eat hotdogs in competitions, to claim the title of 'most who ate them in sixty seconds'... "

"But words are thoughts, and not vain objects of digestion"
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("...I like that wording there..." smiled the goblin, adding "...feed me more then...")

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You are a pretty legit writer flea. This is crazy. I am new - really new. I just started my first novel three months ago. I just got an email from the editor of a paper in the town to which im moving. TELL ME WHAT TO SAY SO SHE WILL HIRE ME! heh.


"...no idea my friend..." replied the goblin in all honesty, then explaining "...probably because I'm not a writer at all even if I'm very much into the livewriter's scene instead, where my readership, albeit enormous perhaps, is only upon forumland and anonymously as such too, why, because there's a watershed moment coming where those authors are going to admit to themselves that their readers have less time to read at length anyway...", not that any malice or gloating was meant by the goblin here, just he had to explain it clearly now, continuing "...instead of ebooks most people are increasingly involved in social networking, and that's why I'm here, and why too I feel that the only way forward is to learn how to write upon social networks, and then to post that which those readers actually want to read by it, so forumland is just this direct publishing upon a social network, as of yet without those publishers, and with all these readers absolutely craving for bitesize somethings to feed upon, but don't worry, those publishers will come here eventually, why, because, other than facebook and twitter, where else can a publisher get a clear access to readers now...", in fact, the goblin hoped that the xxxxx would become his friend then, adding "... oh and don't think of blogs either, for blogs write down to their readers, where your readers want this level playing field of our social network, where if you don't believe me, observe well those thread of content, where we can continue this discourse on one of them then..."

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and then the goblin showed up in his usual mostly interested manner, part reflective too, saying "...you know, few people ever get to see forumland for its real potential here, no, instead they're either trying to make a quick buck advertising their wares, or they're simply posting in a write and discard manner...", yes, that is what he saw and was ok for others perhaps, adding "...yet what if one were to turn that on its head by challenging oneself to do posts worthy of one's pen now, then storing those posts away, editing them further, then reposting them back to forumland once more, surely that would be more creative and more rewarding than that which you see across these forums now, moreover, suppose too, you then decided upon a secret unsername avoiding self identification here..., ...", the goblin stopped, perhaps indeed his way of using a persona to hide himself was madness to the casual eye then, but he knew too, that nothing quite gave the game away as one's normal writing style, then he continued "...so, on entering forumland one takes off that dailylife mask for something more in tune to one's true nature, of one's alter ego if you like, where after many years of posting to one's benchmark, one gains a good idea of who one is by what one posts, which when one thinks about it, might actually amount to something more valuable then that fame and fortune even..."

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Thus wrote flemailman:

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instead of ebooks most people are increasingly involved in social networking, and that's why I'm here, and why too I feel that the only way forward is to learn how to write upon social networks, and then to post that which those readers actually want to read by it, so forumland is just this direct publishing upon a social network,


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"...you know, few people ever get to see forumland for its real potential here... posting in a write and discard manner....yet what if one were to turn that on its head by challenging oneself to do posts worthy of one's pen now, then storing those posts away, editing them further, then reposting them back to forumland once more, surely that would be more creative and more rewarding than that which you see across these forums now


Da Magician reflected upon these words, seeing that behind the goblin's postings there was a well developed and profound (albeit by context simple), philosophy of live-writing.

He concluded that the goblin was right in his conclusion, and that his ideas presented both a challenge and an opportunity.

And Da Magician knew then that this project here of having a forum for such an art, was by necessity a necessity....
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("...I turn up here each evening but I'm not getting notifications yet of your replies as yet..." mentioned the goblin not minding but wishing to know how to turn them on here)

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"...being gnostic on forumland, one goes it alone here on a journey to self now...", mentioned the goblin, knowing ten commandments to live by, and obeying them not because they were god's law as such, but more precisely because they were correct in themselves, and o how the goblin hated those dumb sheep that just believed because they were told to do so, or because they were expecting some reward for their doing so now, saying "...look, when you know something, you don't believe, and when you don't know, you try to know for sure, but never say to me that you just believe in what you don't know, for that is just saying devoirs non faits, so you have to change the mindset from being some follower of christ to being a leader in christ for he never wanted sheep or else why would he have given you hardship, life's angels to shine by upon your journey to self now, and besides too, does he not know what you will choose even before you will choose it, so mere belief is devoir non fait to me, one has to know what it is and why too..."

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My grammar may not be perfect


"...well let's just say we're two of a kind then..." replied the goblin, whose grammar wasn't so much bad as non-existent, forgivable seeing that most people on forumland didn't seem to like those who wrote perfectly anyway, perhaps having something to do with excess writing baggage then, or even all that imposed grammatical goosestep, adding "...and besides, who ever heard of a goblin who wrote perfectly now, ah no, perfect sounds too predictable, for where is one's individuality in that, whereas imperfect just leaves everyone guessing doesn't it, far better indeed..."

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Da Magician wondered if the goblin had read that wonderful author, J.L. Borges...

For what is the 'Library of Babel' but a metaphors for the universe which is the internet? or the 'Book of Sand' but a prophecy of the goblin's editing and reediting of posts? A book read and changed upon rereading...



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("...I haven't read that book though no you mentioned it I may..." replied the goblin, adding "...nice forum I'll be here now but do you get a notification when I post to this board...")

repost from the introduction section, goblin welcoming again

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I tend to be very fond of long novels (1000+ pages), as I'm a speed reader myself and believe that it's next to impossible to turn such books into effective movies. Contemporary literature, particularly pulp fiction, usually strikes me as being so many souped-up film scripts. I prefer books which exist for their own sake, an idea which is reflected in my own work. I rarely write anything that is under 70 pages (even my own chosen form of short story, which may be more likened to novellas)


"...yay, one of those dying breed types, someone who likes really long books and actually has the time to read them too..." went the goblin looking forward to reading xxxxx's posts indeed, adding "...yes, these days it hard to get those book readers to read really long books, and even harder still to get all the non-readers here to read anything at all, so the real question that then stems from this observation is that of in a drying readership poll, how best does one adapt to this change here..." where the goblin's answer was doing communal threads on forums, explaining "...well, half a loaf is better than no bread at all, I mean you've read this post whereas otherwise you wouldn't have read anything, moreover, if you don't feel like replying, someone will reply or contribute something in your place, so it's just feeding to be fed then...", where clearly forum readership was a growing one, but as yet it was also a little understood one too

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Thus read the magician the above, taking notes to be assimilated into his evolving theory.... :happy:


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repost from elsewhere, still upon the subject of writing

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I suspect that we are going to get along famously. Well met.


"...and that we shall human..." replied the goblin, adding "...so catch me whenever then ..." well, if anyone could keep up with a goblin that is, continuing "...I'll be in the writer's cafe section of this forum now, where we can write and edit stuff together if you like, you see, in the drying bookreadership pool the newt's trick entails a certain compromise and adaptation to forumland here, but that is not to say that it isn't fun in itself, plus it's a growing readership too...", in fact, it was almost amazing the way most writers had simply overlooked their posts as a direct means to express themselves, concluding "...yes, we're here now, might as well make the most of it, where forumland becomes a book of personas perhaps, and where the author is portrayed within these posts, I mean ask yourself if these plain texts that most authors do in their posts really invites their readers towards their works, no I don't think they do..."

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Hi everyone; like the new atmosphere, but it is confusing... and where is the 'lulz café'? Where can we chat lightly? I would have put this message there and not ruin the atmosphere here... :sadclown:
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("...put up anything you like..." smiled the goblin happy for the company, adding "...still early days but this forum is going to be big in the long run, you'll see, the magician is working on the notifications still...")

repost from elsewhere, from a conversation with another livewriter

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"...for it seems the battle with twee needs me so..."


"...well, each one of us has our loaths I guess..." mentioned the goblin who didn't mind twee where twee was expected, no, he could find himself happily posting on one of those american religious teaparty mummies forums without the slightest confrontation once accepted by them as apart from it, and yet he did hate the humbug of those posters who used writer's forums like a marketplace for their blogs or books elsewhere, where the evident discrepancy between their blog-entries on their website and their posts just told the reader straight off both what those type posters thought of forumland and of posting in general, and as to why it probably wasn't worth following their link away too...", and no, the goblin wasn't pointing out anyone in particular here, nor to any forum either, just it had been a general observation on his part, adding "...so, between those who would have us all write in some cloned goosestep, and those to who would call us away to their elsewhere, I guess we all confront something we dislike in this posting..."

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"...ah now, the best books are those that one feels part of..." replied the goblin, adding "...where forumland becomes this book between us now, as somewhere where those docile readers step out of their docility replying directly to you now, perhaps you don't believe me yet, though you perhaps if you keep posting here, perhaps it's something like forum/venue, thread/stage, and you/act then...", simply, the goblin was pointing out that on forumland the gap between these authors and their works had gone, whereupon the goblin smiled, saying "...so welcome to this forumland then, where if you want to become a writer, I can't help you though if you just want to write within your posts, then I'm more than willing to share this thread with you and to see what readership we can accumulate together..."

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Hi flea: I am starting to believe you. :happy:

I don't think I can do it myself... but...

Any pointers?

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("...nah, anyone can livewrite, it's just taking one's posts and editing them into something better still, though how you interpret something better still no one can tell you..." replied the goblin knowing that all forums would pass, but that the ability remained, so that was the point if any)

repost from elsewhere, where often the goblin is actually addressing himself in replying to others

"...simply you owe it to your pen to continue writing now..." started the goblin, adding "...for life's angels are not there to be nice, they're there to help you shine in their reflection, where what would be the point of your pen, your evident ability and those angels too, is all were met met by your running away like this...", in fact, the goblin often felt that those who wrote for money were cheap writers, while those who wrote for fame were just vain ones, but far worse then either of those two were the writers who had flinched form their muse, adding "...your muse has picked you now, so can't you do justice to her then, are you really leaving off writing like this...", "...ah yes, so its quo vadis my little goblin.." whispered the muse's voice in the back of the his mind again, whereupon she just continued "...and besides, you've nowhere else to go to out there goblin, so take up your pen while you can, for this time is ours perhaps but it won't be yours forever..."

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:dali: Da Magician noted new philosophical statements from his friend the goblin...
.....but also some personal confessions which suggested exhaustion and doubt in regards to his calling....

Perhaps he was disappointed that his art did not receive more recognition... that is... friendly comment... :sadclown:

But at least on the part of Da Magician, everything that the goblin wrote was read and digested, being found to be both tasty, and nutritious. :happy:

He wished he would not stop, for he was learning much, and liked his friend's art.

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Hi flea: I think you posted this in the wrong forum/thread... if not, I hope you don't mind me reposting this from elsewhere.

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("...I need to figure out the notifications of replies here, or else I won't know when someone has posted back like now..." went the goblin who would return here each day loving the idea of commitment to this project, adding "...no, I don't need recognition myself, I mean I'm not in it for the fame and fortune, well not if I remain anonymous like I intend to be, but I do need some rapport to feed me, plus I need a sense of audience, and a feeling of deadline too, to spur me on now...", in fact, the goblin wasn't trying to build up a readership, instead he wanted to build up a replyship, saying "...I'll read whatever you offer now, and no it's not writing here for books elsewhere, for here is the real battle for readership today, and I can't get those readers to read posts alone, instead we all have to become known by our posts, where writing in posts has to get known by us...")

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the goblin was feeling better, but he understood that life, as one gets older, shuns the elderly for being old, ugly, or whatever, but the goblin knew too, that it was "all up to him now", in that if he had to become someone old, someone treated like some iceberg by others, then like that iceberg then, only one fifth of him would remain visible as in his dailylife where that other four fifths of him would be submerged on forumland as something far more than either that man seen in the mirror, or any other of those real-life fettering categorizations could offer, so he simply repeated "...you and I are what we create here, and my persona, my internet-self then, is going to be amazingly deep and real, promise, or I will die trying, no, let's make it both of those aims here, for this is my journey to self now, which is also one's journey to death too..."

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Well, if that post by 'the goblin' belonged here, then so does this one:

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Hi flea; I love your stuff since I first saw it in TR, when you and some other livewriter (name escapes me) invaded and had a big fight with some jerks there. Keep up the good work!


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("...well you're as good, or as bad then, as me if not moreso even, for I've seem you're posts reclusiveprofit, where my goal is not take anyone away from anywhere else, but to offer them yet another place to repost their posts into something more akin to what they were aiming for, a second venue then, for obviously one can't repost something twice to the same forum where the readers have seen it before..." smiled the goblin who promised to read anything going, and to offer both a sense of deadline and a feeling of audience, saying "...this is not my forum, but it seems on my wavelength where, it's nice not to fighting trolls or relegated to some designated spot and told to stay there because of being a goblin I imagine...")

repost from elsewhere, showing the ropes to new livewriter

"...I'm basically happy too..." went the goblin momentarily forgetting about his sore throat for his well fed mind here, adding "...ok, at its simplest level you're going to need some picturehost album to resize the pictures for the post, photobucket or imageshack then, but there are many picture hosts on offer out there...", but the goblin felt rather like the damp windy view form the window now, simply nothing in the view spelled June to him, for the thick heavy cloud hanging a little above the city seemed unbudged by the constant wind upon it until one looked more closely and then noticed that each individual bit of cloud was rushing passed quite fast, only that the total effect was one of a constant cloud cover to a wet blustering wind, something unmoved it seemed, so the goblin was waiting on his sore throat too, saying "...ah yes, this view outside does reflect the inside today too, yet in spite of it all, and for a change of air perhaps, I will venture out in all this later, it makes me feel older than my years perhaps, yet geneva looks defiant under this cloud onslaught, so I guess this city and I will share our defiance towards it then, for to post is to win, and to stroll in this whether is another type of win against oneself here..."

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Thus wrote the goblin:
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"...this is not my forum, but it seems on my wavelength


"But it is, if you so make it." Clarified the Imperatrix, mistress of the board;

...understanding that there was no other purpose to this forum but to give a place of 'theirs' to those who so clearly deserved it.

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I am getting inspired... will think of something imaginative revolutionary to post the next time... :che:
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Well, *hello* darlings; *Mona here*.
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You seem *sad* dear goblin.
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Perhaps *Mona* will cheer you up; perhaps she *won't*.
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That is entirely up to *you* dearest.
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I have seen *your* stuff *re-posted elsewhere*.
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Sometimes it is *amusing*, sometimes *profound;* sometimes *both*. Sometimes *........*.
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Nobody is *perfect*---- but that's the *idea* isn't it Darling? --- Re-posting until it is **perfect**..?
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Will be seeing you around **goblin**; I hope, dear.
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:dali: I see Mona has arrived...

That could be good... or bad... which would be better...

One never knows with Mona...

I am liking that *punctuation thing* Mona... nice style... mind if I copy some of it??
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("...good news, I finally found the notifications button on the below right of this add reply slot here, so hopefully notifications are on and all I will be replying directly to posts here if any..." smiled the goblin welcoming mona and feeling the forum was exactly as he wanted it to be too, adding "...now some people might be thinking that because I intend to support this forum to my full that other places will go hungry, but no, it's the same rule here as for any forum I'm on and to anyone who knows me, simply step on to my edit thread with your post and I will reply in kind, for a writer might want a readership, but what can I do with a readership where I remain anonymous, no I want a replyship instead, for I'm not some blog now, nor is this just my thread alone neither, it's just a communal thread I hope where we all get a chance to do posts between us...")

repost from elsewhere, goblin doing a welcome on a writer's forum once more

and with that the goblin's hopes were high, saying "...welcome to this forum then, look, please don't be put off by the fact that there are writers here, no they mean well I'm sure, just that they're a bunch of schizophrenic daydreamers with that evident multi personality disorder that makes repeatedly steal from one another, oh and from the normal people too, absolutely anything in order to write far too well that which is usually far too long for those who probably couldn't read that far anyway...", but, other than this one rather minor detraction then, the goblin felt that this forum was inviting enough and welcomed the new poster to settle in here

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"...ah now, the best books are those which you are part of..." replied the goblin, adding "...where forumland becomes our book of sorts then, somewhere where those readers step out of their docility replying to us directly now, perhaps you don't believe me yet, ah but you will if you keep posting here, perhaps it's something like forum/venue, thread/stage, and you/act then...", simply the goblin was pointing out that on forumland the gap between these authors and their works had all but gone now, and with that the goblin just smiled, saying "...welcome to forumland then, if you want to become a writer then I don't think that I can help you, however, if you just want to write in your posts, then I am more than willing to read whatever you post is as long as it is bitesize..."

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:dali: Da Magician is glad that the goblin is beginning to see this as 'his forum', for it is and there is no reason why it shouldn't be.

Now, Da Magician wonders where are some of the friends of the goblin who are also into this hyper-literature.

Two or three more would suffice, we don't want this to be a 'popular' site, where people might corrupt the art with their normalcy. :aud:

That's why reading was invented, so that writers need not be interrupted with conversation.

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:dali: Da Magician is glad that the goblin is beginning to see this as 'his forum', for it is and there is no reason why it shouldn't be.
Now, Da Magician wonders where are some of the friends of the goblin who are also into this hyper-literature. Two or three more would suffice, we don't want this to be a 'popular' site, where people might corrupt the art with their normalcy. That's why reading was invented, so that writers need not be interrupted with conversation. :androgyn:


("...other way round I feel, let me build up the posts, don't start too many new threads, choose a thread to represent you by and keep adding to it, something like what we all did no hip forum then, for people want to read content now, so let prepare a feast for them...")

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just how deeply do you seek to delve into your "self", flea? And what will you find when you get there? What will be reflected back at you?


"...well xxxxx, the journey to self is a journey to death in other words, where I could die tomorrow, meaning I would have reached my self then where none of it would have mattered much...", replied the goblin, adding "...so tell me about the gap between one's self and one's dailylife now, of those thin moments of the elation and pain of giving birth perhaps on to the sadness of losing a one's loved one, where that moneygod is transcended for something deeper, a thin moment indeed of something you know from within as yourself before you return once more to the needs of this dailylife, for that how far then xxxxx, when something is so near from within as to be beyond dispute to oneself that self then, ever had a thin moment xxxxx..."

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Well *goblin*.. dearest:
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The *self* is not something to be found in a *journey*, for *we* are it, and it is *us*.
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So the journey to the *self* is a vain FUTILITY - it's like driving a *car* in *search* of that same *car*.
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So, *goblin*; What is it that we are searching for, since it can not be *the self*..?
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That *dearest*, most *beloved*, is the question.
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Now Mona shall retire to a *beauty* sleep. :aud: As she is *deserving*.
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Sep 1 2013, 11:47 PM

Well *goblin*.. dearest: The *self* is not something to be found in a *journey*, for *we* are it, and it is *us*. So the journey to the *self* is a vain FUTILITY - it's like driving a *car* in *search* of that same *car*.So, *goblin*; What is it that we are searching for, since it can not be *the self*..? That *dearest*, most *beloved*, is the question. Now Mona shall retire to a *beauty* sleep. As she is *deserving*.
("...life, form the moment of one's birth is simply a journey to death, but the self evolves along the way..." replied the goblin where since we evolve along, we never know our real selves until we get there, and where perhaps too, you might ask then what's the point in knowing our real selves because we just die at that point, ah but if you know it's pointless yet if that realization doesn't stop you taking notes as you go, then doesn't that show you to yourself now...")

repost from elsewhere, the "can I do this without basic skills" thread

"...the worth of one's writing has nothing to do with its success or one's ability I my view, and it has everything to do with one's own determination here..." replied the goblin, explaining "...simply, if you feel passionate about your own writings as I imagine you do now, then whether you are actually any good, or bad, accepted, or otherwise, means nothing where all that just becomes other people's conjecture now, that same conjecture that drives someone of shoot himself in a cornfield over his unsold paintings perhaps, so don't compromise for the sake of their conformity here, lord knows the bookworld already has plenty of conformists writers, the run of the mill type writers whose fate, together with that sorrystate bookworld too is of their own making, just so much yesterday's market by yesterday's means isn't it, which is odd because today's writers still want to be read, yes, and today's readers here still want to read too, just that those writers still think that it's all books while the posters, aka readers here, twiddle their thumbs yearning for something short worth reading, and worth replying to too, on forumland directly by those very same writers who ignore them in their decline..."

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..the self evolves along the way..." replied the goblin where since we evolve along, we never know our real selves ..

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Mona *wouldn't* be so sure, darling.
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Is it the *self* that evolves, or is it something *else*?
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I'll ask again before revealing the answer to *my* previous ¿question?.
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What is it that *we* are *searching* for, since it *can*not*be* the *self*?
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Look in *front* of you *goblin* before *fillin-in* the blackness, there resides the --> answer <--.
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("...what humans seek is not for me a goblin to know yet let me guess that then to be a religious question here..." smiled the goblin, replying "...me I'm looking for the elephant in the room for sure, as my gnostic view does not allow one to blindly believe, no I have to know what I know and know it from within too, as the journey to death is the clear unquestionable reality but it's a journey to self at the same time your self, where others might call it your soul perhaps, doesn't go on from here until that time is right...", just that the goblin journey to self was not over it seemed, why, because in this very moment he was still writing this reply somewhat clueless)

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the goblin wasn't so sure at this point, it was as if his very existence was a vortex of ever decreasing circles, diminished returns, and met expectations, no, not just for himself but for anyone who remained within its orbit, "...ah, that's your lot goblin, isn't that that dailylife you like to call it, and how by now you know it well my little goblin yet that dailylife of yours was never the real point here anyway was it..." whispered death out of the shadows somewhere, adding "...so you've lost your barrings in all this dailylife of yours goblin, well then you only have to think of me here to know where and what the real game is at this point...", to which death continued with those some old lines of his again, saying "...ah the rules, well then let me explain, simply it's like hide and seek with me, I close my eyes and count on, meanwhile you have to figure it out, as much as you possibly can, before I come for you, though the only thing is, and perhaps to make this game a little more interesting for us then, is that I don't actually tell you which number I'm counting to, nor what exactly you're supposed to find out here, while no doubt those two crooks of your distracting dailylife and that moneygod will try to waylay you to their own ends once more, in other words my friend, just think of this as a "last post" game for real goblin, and let's see how you fare with it now..."

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Ah, goblin, Mona feels *misunderstood* - What religion?
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I requested you look in *front*of*you*, to the *darkness*, to find the answer.
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What darkness can that be but the computer *screen*, but the black box to be filled with *your* writing*?
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That is what we *seek*, not the self but:
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The self *we* have - what we don't *have* is the *World* responding to that self.
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The question is then, not *who* we are, but *how* we are.
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:dali: Da Magician enjoyed the conversation developed between Mona and the goblin.

He noted that indeed, the self, as an inherent quality of being, could not be lost, and thus could not be searched for.

It was how the self was manifested, that is, how it appeared in that mirror which was the external world, which was the subject of the search.

That search which was life itself...

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Let it be known that it appears that 'the goblin' has fled in terror.
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Philosophical games apparently are not to his liking.
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:twiggy:

Just when I was beginning to enjoy his 'literature'. Look what you did Mona. As usual, you ruin everything...

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It's lamentable; I was beginning to understand his thoughts - I agree with Imperatrix:

----------- PHILOSOPHICAL GAMES ARE, APPARENTLY, NOT TO HIS LIKING.
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Mona is however not to be blamed, Lupus; She did nothing wrong;
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she had no way of knowing that 'the goblin' did not enjoy actual - conversations - •
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Which I understand....
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I will add that Mona has - as usual - brought fourth an important theme which deserves discussion:
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That it is not the SELF which is the object of our SEARCH, but its EXPRESSION.
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Such is material for the -----------> :libri:
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> THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED <

{if the goblin returns he will be welcomed; but he will need to start another thread}


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