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| Da Magician | Aug 30 2013, 08:56 AM Post #1 |
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This I wrote in another thread, in another place (secular café).
But perhaps it is the contrary?
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| Da Magician | Sep 2 2013, 08:18 PM Post #2 |
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+ - . • Pansichism • Da Magician saved this broadcast, where someone else explained his own ideas, for further research and purification.... . http://ec.libsyn.com/p/f/f/b/ffb2fd5571420b36/Galen_Strawson_on_Panpsychism.mp3?d13a76d516d9dec20c3d276ce028ed5089ab1ce3dae902ea1d01cf8f36d4ca548352&c_id=4509864 . . * Edited by Da Magician, Sep 2 2013, 08:22 PM.
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| Da Magician | Sep 2 2013, 08:26 PM Post #3 |
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* . Perhaps panpsychistic is a better description of what bacon proposed as an interpretation of the physical world. . Perhaps; must research... . * |
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| Da Magician | Sep 2 2013, 08:38 PM Post #4 |
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* . Bacon - Matter
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| Da Magician | Sep 2 2013, 08:42 PM Post #5 |
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Baconian Vitalism?. ......inanimate matter - inaugurate spirits ...............vegetables - inaugurate spirits + vital spirits ....................animals - vital spirits . .
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| Mona | Sep 2 2013, 10:31 PM Post #6 |
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* . . What is this, darling? • . Another one of your *games*..? . I am impressed (not). . . May I *ask* - What do you *gain* from these (philosophical) games? . . You know I ask because I am your friend and want to *help* you.. . . .................................... ••• • < |
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| Da Magician | Sep 2 2013, 11:30 PM Post #7 |
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0 . Mona: I don't play poker nor sports. . As Schiller wrote: "One only plays when one is truly human; and one is truly human only when one plays." . Capice...? . . =0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0= Edited by Da Magician, Sep 3 2013, 01:27 AM.
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| No Robots | Sep 5 2013, 03:33 AM Post #8 |
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This is all most worthy of reflection. I withhold judgement for the time being. |
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| No Robots | Sep 5 2013, 03:51 PM Post #9 |
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I have conducted a preliminary investigation into this. I googled "Bacon + panpsychism." At the top of the results was a blog post, "Materialism and panpsychism (puzzling about Bacon)", where we find the following quotation from Bacon: IT is certaine, that all Bodies whatsoeuer, though they have no Sense, yet they have Perception: For when one Body is applied to another, there is a Kinde of Election, to embrace that which is Agreeable, and to exclude or expell that which is Ingrate: And whether the Body be Alterant, or Altered, evermore a Perception precedeth Operation: For else all Bodies would be alike One to Another. And sometimes this Perception, in some Kinde of Bodies, is farre more Subtill than the Sense; So that the Sense is but a dull Thing in Comparison of it: Wee see a Weather-Glasse, will finde the least difference of the Weather, in Heat, or Cold, when Men finde it not. And this Perception also, is sometimes at Distance, as well as upon the Touch; As when the Load-Stone draweth Iron; or Flame fireth Naphtha of Babylon, a great distance off. It is therefore a Subiect of a very Noble Enquiry, to enquire of the more Subtill Perceptions; For it is another Key to open Nature, as well as the Sense; And sometimes Better (Bacon 1627, 211-2). It seems you may be on to something here. This would clarify the conflict in the English soul between idealism and empiricism. Very promising. |
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| No Robots | Sep 5 2013, 04:03 PM Post #10 |
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One of the themes is that the doctrine that "all things have mind or a mind-like quality" is pervasive in the history of human thought. The list of figures to whom Skrbina attributes the doctrine is impressive. Some are notable philosophers of the ancient period: Thales, Anaximenes, Parmenides, Heraclitus, Anaxagoras, Empedocles, Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus, Zeno of Citium, and Cicero. One of Skrbina's aims is to argue that panpsychism is not just a hiccup in the history of philosophy. In ancient Greece and Rome panpsychism was the predominant view, Skrbina argues, and was defended by thinkers that we have otherwise taken very seriously. After a hiatus that is traceable to the dominance of Christianity, panpsychism becomes pervasive again in the early modern period. A number of lesser known figures embrace a version of the view, but also Bacon, Spinoza, Newton, and Leibniz. Hobbes appears to be committed to panpsychism, argues Skrbina, even if he does not follow his own argumentation to its panpsychist implications. Locke does not endorse panpsychism, but he allows that it is an intelligible view and a contender.--Review of Panpsychism in the West by David Skrbina.
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| Da Magician | Sep 5 2013, 05:37 PM Post #11 |
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Yes... it so seems... Glad to see you are on board... as it is perhaps our most mutual interest... the spirituality of matter.... Will return later to analyze the quotes. . . * Edited by Da Magician, Sep 5 2013, 05:37 PM.
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| Imperatrix | Sep 6 2013, 06:18 PM Post #12 |
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Title has been changed to match the theme of the thread. |
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| Da Magician | Sep 6 2013, 06:21 PM Post #13 |
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This seems quite a precedent of Berkeleyan thought: Objects are perceptions... Edited by Da Magician, Sep 6 2013, 06:26 PM.
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| Da Magician | Sep 6 2013, 06:31 PM Post #14 |
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I would observe that the claim of such a 'hiatus' is not sustainable by the fact of 'Hermetic Science', that is 'Alchemy', which undersood matter as a spiritual substance, and whose chemical exercises have been identified as the 'Yoga' of Western-Catholic "Medieval" Culture (which continued until and reached its apogee in the 17th century - remember Newton was al Alchemist...). It is the enlightenment which brought the present 'hiatus', not Christianity. Now, the important thin is, that this invalidates the notion that Western Science was built upon atheistic physicalism - such becomes a purely contemporary interpretation. The 'Work' now becomes evidencing this falsehood and restoring 'Scientific -Philosophical Thought' to its original and - Logical - 'Vitalist-Panpsychist' conception. . .
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| Mona | Sep 6 2013, 06:37 PM Post #15 |
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* . Darlings, I am *impressed*: . This *discussion* has certainly *evolved* towards something - substantial - • . I will do some research to *add* to the *content*. . For I am *most*interested* . . * |
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| Da Magician | Sep 9 2013, 11:54 AM Post #16 |
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http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?p=7545576#post7545576 Edited by Da Magician, Sep 9 2013, 11:56 AM.
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This I wrote in another thread, in another place (secular café).



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