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| TPX's Speed Guide; For anyone who doesn't have it... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 1 2007, 08:42 PM (1,005 Views) | |
| TheLegendaryX | Aug 1 2007, 08:42 PM Post #1 |
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Now, we all know going first is one of the most important things, so here is a list of common speeds (All credit goes to TPX_Vengeance): This is just a list of key speeds to watch for and explainations to why they are important. Also, these numbers all assume that the opponent you're trying to beat has perfect IVs. While this is unrealistic in a fair WiFi battle, it helps for those playing online or if you know your opponent might be hacking. Besides... Better safe than sorry, right? 96- This is the minimum speed of neutral Snorlax and Slowbro. 105- This is how much speed you will need to beat a neutral-nautred Swampert with minimum speed after it has Cursed one time. This might be worth knowing for any really slow pokemon packing a surprise Grass attack, like Slowbro. 117- This number will outspeed a neutral Rhyperior with minimum speed. Slowbro might want to consider this number so it can use Surf before getting nailed with that Megahorn. 127- This beats a minimum speed neutral Dusknoir. Pokemon around that speed range, such as Rhyperior, should consider this number. 135- This beats the minimum speed of -Speed 60s, like Swampert, Weezing, Magnezone and Clefable. You probably want to make sure your Dusknoir has at least this much speed to burn Swampert. 137- This beats the minimum speed of neutral base 50s, like the Regi trio. 147- This beats the minimum speed of neutral base 55s, like Blissey. 157- This beats the minimum speed of the base 60 crowd. This might be worth considering for Dusknoir, but it really isn't worth sacrificing your defenses. This is a common speed range for pokemon in the 50s, such as Donphan, Blissey, and the Regi trio. This is a fairly low-end speed 181- This outspeeds the +Speed base 115 pokemon (Starmie, Raikou, Azelf) with a +2 speed boost. This also just barely beats Rhyperior's max speed. Worth considering for Rampardos, Tyranitar, and other really slow powerhouses, and also for Weezing in case you're looking to burn one of those powerhouses before they can set up. 198- This is the minimum for pokemon that plan to get at least a +2 boost. This will double to 396 after the +2 boost, which is what you need to guarantee the first strike against Aerodactyl, Jolteon, and Crobat. This is an important number for Metagross (Agility), Tyranitar (Dragon Dance), and any other boosters with around base 60-70 range. Some Gyarados might dip this low and focus on defenses instead, and some Donphan will aim this high and neglect their Attack or Defense. I don't either like idea at all, personally. 200- With one speed boost, this beats all of the base 100 pokemon (Salamence, Flygon, Slaking, Zapdos) with neutral Speed natures (Adamant, Modest, etc). It also beats the 198s mentioned above. It also beats the top speed of neutral base 50s, if anyone cares. That includes Donphan and all three Regis. 202- After two speed boosts, this beats anything under 270 after they get one speed boost. Common threats in that <270 category include Heracross, Medicham, Gyarados, Dragonite, and Blaziken. This is a nice speed for Metagross and Tyranitar. With one speed boost, 202 becomes 303, which ties Adamant Garchomp, so you may want to jump to 203 to guarantee the first strike. 211- With +1 Speed, this outspeeds Adamant Infernape. Random, I know. 220- Without any boosts, this beats base 60s like Weezing, Swampert, Magnezone, and Clefable. With one speed boost, this beats all of the +Speed base 100s like Flygon, Salamence, Zapdos, etc. 222- This just barely beats out Adamant Tyranitar's max speed. This is a common speed for Metagross, Suicune, Skarmory, Milotic, Gyarados, Breloom, Dragonite, and anything else with a base speed between 65 and 85 that really needs to beat Tyranitar. 225- With +2 speed, this beats +1 base 100s with neutral natures. Might be handy for the common Choice Scarf Somersaulting Staraptors. Metagross might like this speed a whole lot. This is also a handy speed for things that might want to set up a Substitute before Milotic can use Hypnosis or use Taunt before one of the above pokemon can set up. 234- This outspeeds +Speed 110s (Gengar, Espeon, and Tauros) after one speed boost. 242- After one speed boost, 242 outspeeds the base 115 pokemon (Raikou, Starmie, Azelf). Gyarados likes this a whole lot so it can attack before eating that inevitable Thunderbolt. Topping 240 also beats all the neutral base 70s, which includes Metagross and Smeargle. 249- This outspeeds +Speed Sceptile, Dugtrio, and Alakazam after one speed boost. Dugtrio is the real key here, as no one wants their sweeper knocked out early by that annoying mole trio. A defensive Heracross and Lucario should take this number to heart. 256- This beats Weavile and Swellow after a +1 boost. Jumping to 257 means you can use a +1 boost to outspeed neutral Snorlax while you're paralyzed. 264- With a +1 boost, this outspeeds Aerodactyl, Jolteon, and Crobat, the speed kings of OU play. This is the bare minimum for anything that wants to Reversal (Lucario, Blaziken, Heracross) and a good guideline for any Salac or Dragon Dancers, like Gyarados or Salamence. This beats Adamant Gyarados/Blaziken too. This also beats out +Speed base 70s (i.e. Metagross and Breloom), which reach a max of 262. 270- With +1, this outspeeds the above-mentioned 202s when they get their +2. Another good number for Gyarados, Salamence, and the like. This beats Adamant Heracross. 274- This beats Smeargle's max speed of 273. 280- This beats neutral base 90s like Porygon-Z and Zangoose. With a +1 boost, this will outspeed Modest Exeggutor in the sunlight and Modest Omastar in the rain. 285- This beats the top speeds of neutral Medicham, Dragonite, and other 80s. 289- Max speed Jolly Gyarados is rare, but this is what it takes to beat it. 296- This beats Jolly Heracross, along with other base 80-85 threats like Medicham and Gyarados. 300- Outspeeds the neutral base 100s like Salamence and Zapdos. Jumping up to 301 will help let you beat those 200s after they get a +1 boost. Hovering around this area helps to beat any of those pokemon that hover around 200 once they get a +1 boost. 304- This outspeeds Adamant Garchomp. 306- This beats +Speed base 90s like Porygon-Z and Zangoose. With a +1 boost, this will outspeed +Speed Exeggutor in the sunlight and +Speed Omastar in the rain. 329- This beats the +Speed base 100s. Jumping up to 331 will also let you beat the above-mentioned 220s if they get +1 speed. 334- This outspeeds the above-mentioned 222s after they get +1 speed. This also beats Jolly Garchomp, and that alone is enough to make this number big. 347- This outspeeds +Speed Infernape. 351- This beats +Speed Gengar, Espeon, and Tauros. This is a very common speed for Starmie, Raikou, Alakazam, and Dugtrio. 362- This outspeeds +Speed Azelf, Raikou, Starmie. 366- With a +1 speed boost, this will allow you to still outspeed Regice even after it hits you with Thunder Wave. 373- This outspeeds +Speed Sceptile, Alakazam, and Dugtrio. Weavile likes this speed a lot. 384- This beats Weavile and Swellow. Jumping up one more point to 385 also allows you to outspeed neutral Snorlax even when you're paralyzed. 395- This outspeeds +Speed Aerodactyl, Jolteon, and Crobat. This really is the highest speed you should ever have to worry about in the standard metagame, because anything above this means that both players have a boosted pokemon out on the field. Unfortunately, with the advent of Choice Scarf, this is a lot more common than it used to be. 404- This outspeeds Choice Scarf Adamant Heracross (and by association, Gyarados and Medicham). Consider going one point up to 405 to beat the 202ers when they have +2 Speed. 410- This will beat +Speed Smeargle after a Salac boost. This means that things that are faster than base 90 can outspeed a boosted Smeargle if they equip a Choice Scarf. 413- This will outspeed a no-speed Kingdra in the rain. Remember that Kingdra will often not use any extra speed because it automatically breaks 396 once Rain Dance is activated. 419- This outspeeds Modest Exeggutor and Omastar during Sunny Day/Rain Dance, respectively. If weather teams ever become fashionable, Ninjask just might want to keep this number in mind. This will also beat Timid Electrode, who maxes out at 416. 443- This outspeeds +2 Adamant Tyranitar. It also beats out other slow +2 pokemon like Rampardos and Rhyperior. Bump up to 445 to beat the 222 crowd if they get +2 speed. 449- This outspeeds Choice Scarf base 100s like Salamence and Staraptor with neutral natures. Not that anything should be wasting EVs trying to outspeed them, but it might be handy. 461- This beats Jolly Ninjask, at least until Speed Boost kicks in. 479- This outspeeds Choice Scarf neutral Gengar. Yeah... 492- This beats Choice Scarf base 100s with +Speed natures. 526- This beats Choice Scarf +Speed Gengar. This is the highest speed you should ever need see in a sane battle, because this is just absurdly high. If you're really desparate to beat Choice Scarf Gengar leads, you could always consider leading with Choice Scarf Alakazam and hitting 526. 529- Remember that 264 is a magic number because it reaches 396 with +1? This is the speed that you need to beat a 264 that somehow gets a +2 boost. Blame Ninjask if this happens. That's a lot of numbers, isn't it? Alright, here's my abbreviated version: Low Speed: This is where heavy tanks and ultra-heavy hitters reside. They will want to outspeed each other to make sure they get in that first Will-O-Wisp, Rest, or really strong attack. 96 105 117 127 135 137 147 157 181 Low-Middle Speed: Most heavy hitters are in this range. This includes all those pokemon that can outspeed the base 130s with either 1 or 2 speed boosts. Most common tanks fall in this range too. 198 200 202 211 220 222 225 234 242 249 256 264 Middle-High Speed: This has most of the game's strongest offensive pokemon, and they are usually fast enough to be effective without any speed boosts. 270 274 280 285 289 296 300 304 306 329 334 347 High Speed: This is for base 110s and above- those pokemon that are primarily defined by having high speed. They generally need to max out their speed to get the first strike, because most pokemon in this range can be knocked out in one hit by most other pokemon in this range. 351 362 366 373 384 395 Ultra-High Speed: These speeds are unreachable except by boosting (aside from Electrode and Ninjask), so they aren't really necessary to know. Still, being prepared for these may save you in a pinch. 404 410 413 417 419 443 449 461 476 492 526 529 |
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| Phiddlesticks | Aug 1 2007, 08:58 PM Post #2 |
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Things to add: 198 - You might want to mention that this also outspeeds base 80 Speed Pokemon with no EVs. 199 - Outspeeds Milotic with no Speed EVs 223 - Outspeeds Jolly Garchomp after 1 Speed boost 225 - Somersault -> U-Turn 242 - You mention Smeargle as base 70 Speed when it is actually base 75. Breloom is a base 70 Speed that is worth mentioning though. 306 - You actually need 307 Speed to outspeed base 90 Pokemon |
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| Ruesap | Aug 1 2007, 09:00 PM Post #3 |
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You should mention 455 as beating max Speed Adamant scarfchomp, and 500 as the number to beat the rare Jolly scarfchomp. |
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| Swift | Aug 1 2007, 09:02 PM Post #4 |
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*hugs you* Thank you thank you thank you *goes of to glomp tpx* |
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| TheLegendaryX | Aug 1 2007, 09:02 PM Post #5 |
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A rare sight...
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You want me to do this or TPX to change it? Either way is fine by me... |
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| Pride | Aug 1 2007, 09:21 PM Post #6 |
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I think 456 should be noted since that beats the maxium speed an adamant scarfchomp can have. Could be note worthy for something like... Starmie. |
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| Starking | Aug 1 2007, 09:24 PM Post #7 |
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SO I HERD YOU LIEK HENTAIZ?
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<_< Yep, 456 is a deadly number. Really deadly.... I know this first hand.... |
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| _Zero1 | Aug 1 2007, 10:10 PM Post #8 |
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I think TPX needs to rewrite that guide because this was before some of the now-common metagame threats have emerged... I highly reccomend letting TPX himself post this, as he would want to make corrections. |
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| Starking | Aug 1 2007, 10:11 PM Post #9 |
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SO I HERD YOU LIEK HENTAIZ?
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Whats that? |
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| tpx_vengeance | Aug 2 2007, 03:03 AM Post #10 |
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I've sort of made a lot of corrections/additions since I first posted this guide on GameFAQs oh so long ago. >_> |
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| _Jth | Aug 2 2007, 03:24 AM Post #11 |
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i..i sorda like this girl?? her name is squickers! but idk w
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Please post it
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| FDX | Aug 2 2007, 04:34 AM Post #12 |
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538 - CS 130 Speeds. |
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| Iggy Koopa | Aug 2 2007, 07:51 AM Post #13 |
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Draws VERY CUTE GIRLS with VERY ATTRACTIVE BREASTS.
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228 should be mentioned as a speed at which +2 speed levels beats Scarfchomp. |
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| MXIIA | Aug 2 2007, 01:36 PM Post #14 |
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We don’t have time to ponder such things, as Link grabbed a SB
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thanks :ph43r:
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| Squickens | Sep 7 2007, 09:50 AM Post #15 |
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Slightly horny right now.
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It should be 307, because Porygon-Z and Zangoose are 306. |
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| demigodxyz | Sep 7 2007, 11:56 PM Post #16 |
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Jolly Scarfchomp = Uncommon, I think not. Almost all of them I have seen are jolly. Yes, I did the calcs to find out. |
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llol...what Props to Forte Dante for Zaptios. To Menofuntall for Moltios and Artios. And, finally too FunkethElf for Mewdon. ![]()
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| Ryo | Sep 8 2007, 02:39 AM Post #17 |
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Ever potent
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alot of people max out speed on all sweepers. add 160 to outspeed 4 speed neutral ttar. |
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