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| ilivas | Jul 16 2013, 02:27 AM Post #2201 |
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It's just a personal plane though. Not a commercial one. |
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| sn00zie | Jul 16 2013, 05:45 PM Post #2202 |
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says it ran outa gas... thats kinda a bone head move in a plane right? pretty sure you should know gas and distance you can go pretty damn well. ------------------- so 1st time i watched the news today and waoh people really are rioting over this nonsense... beating people up, robbing people. trashing the businesses in their own area..... then al sharpton is trying to make something go down this weekend saying hes got 1000000000 sigs saying this man must burn. do these people not understand how our legal system works? hes free... hes been tried...and was found not guilty.. if you agree or not, case closed its done. you can't just amass an angry mob of people and get someone found guilty cause people are mad..... this is silly. |
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| ilivas | Jul 16 2013, 08:57 PM Post #2203 |
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The airport was literally 2 miles from there. He almost made it. Lol Yeah, people are really upset about this. I mean, he didn't break the law... What more can you do? If someone was smashing my head into concrete, I'd probably shoot too. |
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| sn00zie | Jul 16 2013, 10:17 PM Post #2204 |
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Ooooh ok, i just saw the part where they said he thought he had 3 hours of fuel but then it turns out it was only 2 so i figured he was wayyyy of the course. ahah COMING IN ON FUMES GUYS CLEAR THE RUNWAYYYY |
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| Tommyb | Jul 17 2013, 09:29 AM Post #2205 |
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People are pissed about the Trayvon thing because they don't have any idea what the flying fuck the trial was about. Most of the people I've talked to that are outraged think that Zimmerman walked up and was like "Hey wtf are you doing here boy?" then Trayvon was like "nothing kind sir" "STANDING MY GROUND BANG!" Was Zimmerman a little racist for seeing a black kid in his gated community and thinking he was up to no good? Possibly/probably. Was he a dick bag for getting out of his car to confront him for no reason? Yeah probably. Was the initial suspicion racially motivated...could be. Did he shoot him for being black? No. He confronted Trayvon, was attacked by Trayvon so he shot him. That part was self defense, regardless of what racially motive it started out as. but then again, that's assuming what was reported is accurate. Zimmerman could have very well gotten out of his car and aggressively approached Trayvon to the point where Trayvon was defending himself in the first place, which caused Zimmerman to shoot. In which case he should be charged and convicted of manslaughter. But since the police did a shit balls job of preserving evidence, only to be out-dumbassed by the special ed class that was the prosecution, we'll never know what really happened, and I think that's why people are so outraged. But as it stands, Zimmerman was charged with manslaughter, and they couldn't prove without a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense....its that simple. but hey....everyone in America is racist against blacks, so lets step up, ban together, AND RIOT, LOOT AND BEAT PEOPLE UP TO SHOW EVERYONE HOW WE SHOULD BE TREATED AS EQUALS!.... |
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| sn00zie | Jul 17 2013, 10:12 AM Post #2206 |
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i think when they said "gated community" they meant... it had a gate, and it was a community but growing up as kids, how many times has this happened? I can remember getting chased by grumpy assholes on my bike plenty of times. You laugh and run, or stop and say what? im not doing anything... blablhlhb sorry see ya. its a very easy situation to avoid, im not sure how the line from getting followed, to bum rushing and beating his ass for it happpend but it sure wasn't the smartest course of action. they also want to say it was profiling and well... MAYBE!!!!!! but go do something fishy around a cop and see if you don't get "profiled" many years ago I would go out on my bike at night cause i could ride behind the buildings and jump off loading docks and shit... guess how many times a cop stopped me and sadi WTF are you doing and ran my ID......plenty of times!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just explain im out having fun at night cause no people to yell at me or cars to run me over... ok cool, later. all these poeple up in arms staying the've been harassed and stopped for no reason etcetcetc, i just shake my head and say... yea me too and im whiter then white. if it looks like you are up to something no good...expect someone else will see it that way instead of being totally shocked when asked WTF are you doing. it doesn't sound like this kid was doing anything wrong except walking thru a place he wasn't from "new face" that just happend to be an area that was having shit happen lately.... so he got followed............ so what? keep walking maybe? excuse me sir can i help you? i mean just talking to the other guy would have defused the whole thing.. he sup im just walking thru im staying with my dad here blhablhabhalbh oh wow bam problem solved. but thats not what happend. Edited by sn00zie, Jul 17 2013, 11:01 AM.
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| ilivas | Jul 17 2013, 03:41 PM Post #2207 |
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They weren't even going to charge him till Al sharpton and Jesse Jackson turned this into a race thing. What Zimmerman did was dumb and he acted pike an arm chair commando, but what he did wasn't illegal. Edited by ilivas, Jul 17 2013, 03:42 PM.
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| sn00zie | Jul 17 2013, 05:00 PM Post #2208 |
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yea the didn't do anything until everyone got up in arms, then the sheriff lost his job, and they said shit we better go arrest this guy.. then the state went after him...... media driven shit storm of events. so in a sense... this was mob justice... it just didn't go the way the mob wanted. |
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| sn00zie | Jul 17 2013, 09:03 PM Post #2209 |
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http://carloz.newsvine.com/_news/2013/07/16/19506753-boycott-florida-its-businesses-and-its-products-poll oh nooo
really? thats what they think? hey you, you look funny, *bang*bang*
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| ilivas | Jul 17 2013, 11:14 PM Post #2210 |
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Umm... Stand your ground laws are all over the country. We have stand your ground here in NC. Florida isn't the only free state in this country.
Edited by ilivas, Jul 17 2013, 11:15 PM.
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| Tommyb | Jul 18 2013, 09:11 AM Post #2211 |
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Well the sheriff should have been fired. Regardless of how you feel about this case, from what I understand the way they documented the evidence, questioned Zimmerman and others, and just the overall way they handled everything with this was pretty horrible. I think that's why they let Zim go at first without charging, and then when people reviewed it and saw how everything was handled they were like woaaah wait this is fucking retarded we need to revisit this again. Either way, I wouldn't say Zim didn't do anything illegal, there is just no proof that he did anything illegal so that's why he was acquitted. He very well could have gotten out of his car, pistol in hand when he confronted Trayvon. Trayvon could have saw the gun, ran and hid, and tried to defend himself when Zim came up on him causing Zim to then feel the need to shoot trayvon in self defense. In which case he would be guilty of manslaughter, if not murder. I actually wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what really happened. But, they cant prove it so you cant really charge him. |
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| sn00zie | Jul 18 2013, 09:41 AM Post #2212 |
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well if he was following the kid...and on the phone with the dispatcher at the same time... and jumped outa the car with a gun.......i think the call would have sounded a lot different. also if someone hops out with a gun are you going to even stop running? phuck no..... hide? hMy my feet wouldn't stop till i was dead out of breath and miles away. You can't defend yourself from a gun...unless you've got a gun, any dumb dumb knows this. Edited by sn00zie, Jul 18 2013, 09:46 AM.
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| sn00zie | Jul 18 2013, 09:51 AM Post #2213 |
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yea but i guess people in your state don't shoot people cause they look funny and get off clean. I guess around here bullets are flying 24/7 at young clean cut kids for no good reason.
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| Tommyb | Jul 18 2013, 10:27 AM Post #2214 |
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IIRC, He hung up around the time he got out of his car. The dispatcher even advised him not to get out of the car and to wait for police, and he was like "these little punks always get away" and took matters into his own hands. Zimmerman is a total piece of shit, and completely responsible for Trayvons death because of his own paranoia. He had no reason to get out of the car, he's not a fucking cop. He's just a dbag with a CCW that doesn't understand when to use, and when to not use a godamn gun and he's ruining the image of concealed carry civilians with bullshit like this. The only reason I don't disagree with the ruling is because they couldn't prove anything for sure, and I'm glad the jury could look past all of the bullshit and rule based on the laws, and not personal feelings. Regardless of if Trayvon attacked first or whatever, Zimmerman should have never put himself in that situation. If they had any kind of evidence at all, Zim would be going down for manslaughter. If you kill somebody in self defense because you negligently created the situation, you could go down for that. |
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| sn00zie | Jul 18 2013, 11:09 AM Post #2215 |
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I don't agree he was 100% responsible for trayvons death...... like i said, the kid could have reacted another way and would have still been alive today. This took 2.. he wasn't shot in the back. |
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| sn00zie | Jul 18 2013, 11:44 AM Post #2216 |
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on a lighter note, heres how it really went down tommy IDK, just the way you describe it reminds me of this part of the movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=R36ssGbClUk#t=58s |
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| ilivas | Jul 18 2013, 02:10 PM Post #2217 |
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I don't think that zimmerman would have a busted head, and trayvon's only wounds would have cut up knuckles from punching things if that were the case. You don't charge someone and beat the hell out of them if they jump out of the car with a gun. Keep in mind, Trayvon had been in a fight earlier that day. People think he should go to jail because he followed a kid, but it's not illegal. Edited by ilivas, Jul 18 2013, 02:18 PM.
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| ilivas | Jul 18 2013, 02:16 PM Post #2218 |
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It was dumb in this case. However, you are not obligated to listen to the dispatcher nor does the dispatcher always give the best advice. Following someone that looks suspicious is not against the law. Getting out of your car to confront someone is not against the law. Running your mouth a little is also not against the law. It looked like two men with two big egos, neither would back down... One man got physical, and the other finished it with a gun. Smashing someone's head into the ground is against the law. Defending yourself from a guy smashing your head is also not against the law. No matter what people say or do to provoke you, you can't assault them. |
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| sn00zie | Jul 18 2013, 02:16 PM Post #2219 |
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*ding*ding*ding*
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| Tommyb | Jul 18 2013, 02:47 PM Post #2220 |
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I'm just saying we don't know what happened. Trayvon could have ran and tried to hide from Zim. Zim could have been the aggressor and made Trayvon feel like he had no other option than to fight him. I'm not saying Trayvon was an innocent poster child, he was a punk that got into some bad shit in his life. What we do know is that Trayvon didn't do anything to warrant suspicion in the first place, and Zim had no reason to confront him. Zim even said in his testimony or whatever that he looked suspicious because he was walking slow. Trayvon wasn't a threat to anyone at the time, and Zim had no reason to start anything with him, and this is according to Zim's own statement. Yeah, Zim didn't break the law technically, but you're telling me you're ok with people confronting anybody they see for no reason? If you were walking home and some asshole got out of his car and confronted you in an aggressive manner, and started accusing you of shit like Zim did, you'd be fine with that? This is no different than that bullshit pat down law they tried in NY or wherever. Cops can just stop you for looking funny and pat you down. Regardless of whatever Zim did, he had absolutely no reason to stop and confront him. This isn't an issue of self defense, or stand your ground, or race, or whatever, it's an issue of this asshole Zim thinking he's a fucking cowboy and taking matters into his own hands. It's about him being paranoid, creating a completely false and ridiculous reality in his own head, and then acting on that reality. He started a confrontation with Zim, and Tray had every right to defend himself from an aggressive stranger. I highly doubt if some random guy came up to you and started accusing you of the same shit, and following you, you would just accept it and walk away without feeling threatened at all. Even if Zim had witnessed Tray commuting a crime, it's not his job to do anything about it. If a girl is getting raped, or somebody is getting their ass kicked, then yeah stand in. But for a suspicious kid you think is going to rob somebody? call the cops, take some pics of him with your phone, and stay out of the way. |
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