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| ilivas | Jul 18 2013, 03:17 PM Post #2221 |
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What Zimmerman did wasn't the brightest thing to do. I would probably be upset if someone did that to me however, I'm not going to beat someone down because they do it. Once you escalate it to that level, it's a whole different set of rules. People can can try to aggravate me as much as they want, but the second someone tries to harm me I'm pulling out the gun. If they're just badgering me, I'll walk away. Edited by ilivas, Jul 18 2013, 03:21 PM.
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| sn00zie | Jul 18 2013, 05:48 PM Post #2222 |
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cause going ape shit and attacking the person is the rational thing to do??? walking away and avoiding a confrontation with an idiot would be exactly what I would have done. |
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| Tommyb | Jul 18 2013, 06:11 PM Post #2223 |
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You guys are right. Everybody and anybody has the right to harrass whoever they want, whenever they want. Everyone should get out of their cars and ask every person they see wtf thwy arw doing for absolutely no reason because its completely within their rights. And trayvon tried to hude at first according to reports, and Zim came after him armed with a gun so he defended himself first. Zim wasnt going to leave him alone so what did you want him to do? This is just going off of what was repiorted tho...like I said we will never know what really happened. There is circumstaial evidence to show Zim was criminally neglegent |
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| Tommyb | Jul 18 2013, 06:16 PM Post #2224 |
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Its fucked up because Florida is one of the only states that self defense is a blanket defense. Most states take into account who the aggressor is, but not in Florida. Zim would be guilty is most states of criminal negligence...but not florida which is why I dont disagree with the ruling. People are just upset becaise this sort of thing wouldn't be tolorated elsewhere and he woukd have been convicted. He claimed self defense over a situation he himself created. |
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| ilivas | Jul 18 2013, 06:52 PM Post #2225 |
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What Zimmerman did wasn't necessarily the right thing to do, but it wasn't against the law. It was probably a dick move, but that doesn't warrant him getting his head slammed into the ground. If I did that every time someone harassed or provoked me I would of killed or seriously injure people every couple weeks. It's not against the law to be a dick, but is against the law to go donkey kong on someone. It seems that Zimmerman jumped out interrogate him, but he had not presented the gun yet. Because who in their right mind attacks someone with a gun in their hand. If Zimmerman did have a gun in his hand, trayvon would of never touched Zimmerman. If I had already presented my gun, I would never let anyone close enough to me to get their hands on me, i would of already fired. Edited by ilivas, Jul 18 2013, 06:56 PM.
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| Tommyb | Jul 18 2013, 07:08 PM Post #2226 |
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Right, and in that senario he didnt do anything wrong. But you dont know how he acted, he very well could have walked out with his gun out which might have been why Tray hid at first. Based on the transcript of the 911 call, he was already pretty fired up and I wouldn't think its out of the question for him to be extremely hostile when he aproached Trayvon. My only gripe is the fact that I support CCW, and I cant stand when people feel empowered by them and go all vigilante on people. |
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| sn00zie | Jul 18 2013, 07:39 PM Post #2227 |
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soooooooooooooooo in any other state... if you act like a dick, and someone else physically attacks you, and you shoot them... you are going down for manslaughter? |
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| ilivas | Jul 18 2013, 07:48 PM Post #2228 |
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I agree with you there. He was playing arm chair commando and he shouldn't of followed him. Anyone with halfway common sense wouldn't do that. He probably wouldn't of approached him if he wasn't armed. In my ccw class they do tell you to stay away from places you wouldn't normally go if you are unarmed. But in the end, I don't feel that he broke the law, but it was poor judgement on his part. I just can't fathom someone rushing a guy after you had already tried to hide if he had a gun in his hand. We will never know though and there is now way to prove that he did. |
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| ilivas | Jul 18 2013, 07:49 PM Post #2229 |
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No, I'm pretty sure you can shoot him in my state. |
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| Tommyb | Jul 18 2013, 08:39 PM Post #2230 |
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Im not sure of the statues in NC but if you provoke the incident with out reason, its criminal negligence in most states and you'll most likely get soke form of man slaughter conviction. Florida, and I believe Texas are the only states to my knowledge that support pointless murder haha. Dont quite me but I think if this happened in NC the verdict woukd be a lot different. |
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| ilivas | Jul 18 2013, 09:02 PM Post #2231 |
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According to NC law, if Zimmerman had layed a hand on him while zimmerman was unarmed, and trayvon retalliated then trayvon had every right to beat him down, however at anytime while zimmerman was getting beaten, he yelled at trayvon to stop beating him but he didn't stop then in that instance, zimmerman would have the right to shoot. Anything verbal to my knowledge is not enough to warrant a physical attack. I used to carry industrial pepper spray as a supplement to my pistol, and knife with me though for non-lethal defense in case of a sketchy situation like this. Edited by ilivas, Jul 18 2013, 09:04 PM.
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| sn00zie | Jul 18 2013, 10:06 PM Post #2232 |
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c'mon man really? what part of whitebread IL did you grow up?
Edited by sn00zie, Jul 18 2013, 10:07 PM.
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| sn00zie | Jul 18 2013, 10:23 PM Post #2233 |
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yea i agree if things are going to be this fuzzy might as well give them the death spray and save yourself this kinda trouble. If that doesn't stop them and they still are attacking, what choice do you have? A gun would be the 3rd line.. with voice being number 1. can't argue that very much. Edited by sn00zie, Jul 18 2013, 10:26 PM.
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| Tommyb | Jul 18 2013, 11:13 PM Post #2234 |
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The scenario you're using is a neutral meeting between the two parties, where the confrontation begins out of mutual aggression. I'm talking about if Zimmerman pursued Trayvon, as every court document suggests. Again, I'm pretty ignorant to the laws of your state, but in the majority of the union, if the prosecution can prove you're the aggressor in the situation, and you started the confrontation negligently, the outcome of the trial would be very different. NOTHING gives a civilian the right to pursue another citizen with a firearm....period. CCW's are meant to protect yourself in case of imminent physical harm...not to be a back up in case your bullshit, pseudo vigilante doesn't go to plan, except Florida doesn't see it that way, and apparently promotes that sort of activity. Besides, as belligerent as Zimmerman was, as the 911 transcripts suggests, you don't think at any point he may have mentioned that he was armed? Maybe...maybe not. But according to every court document I've seen, Zimmerman gave Trayvon every right to fear for his own well being. You shouldn't be able to claim self defense when you create the situation you are in because of your own negligence. No matter what your feelings are of race, gun control, stand your ground, whatever....Zimmerman fucked up, and consciously created the situation which got Trayvon shot. According to every report I've read on the case, Zimmerman had multiple ways out before the confrontation, and he chose to pursue Trayvon. Self defense is a defense....it's not a fucking loop hole. |
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| Tommyb | Jul 18 2013, 11:18 PM Post #2235 |
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haha....yeah I was just messin...sad part is Im really not all that far off from the troof |
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| ilivas | Jul 19 2013, 02:31 AM Post #2236 |
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The evidence wasn't there to support that anyways. This is what we know for sure....zimmerman pursures trayvon. zimmerman gets out of car, zimmerman catches a beat down, and trayvon gets shot. Other than that, it's all speculation. Edited by ilivas, Jul 19 2013, 02:31 AM.
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| ilivas | Jul 19 2013, 02:32 AM Post #2237 |
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Hehe.. chuck's opinion actually isn't that bad. http://deadspin.com/charles-barkley-sees-medias-hidden-agenda-in-george-831625620 |
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| Tommyb | Jul 19 2013, 09:14 AM Post #2238 |
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Haha, yeah and believe it or not, that's actually how I feel about the case. It just bothers me when I see retarded civilians take the law into their own hands when they clearly have no idea wtf they're doing is all. |
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| sn00zie | Jul 19 2013, 11:18 AM Post #2239 |
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http://www.wimp.com/teslamade/ |
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| sn00zie | Jul 19 2013, 01:36 PM Post #2240 |
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politics/obama-zimmerman/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 uhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggggggg really? got nothing better to do these days? |
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