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ilivas

Tommyb
Jan 3 2013, 05:00 PM
ilivas
Jan 3 2013, 04:26 PM
Tommyb
Jan 3 2013, 02:28 PM
Nah, Chicago will never be Detroit. The problem with Detroit is that it was overbuilt and over populated based on one fucking industry. When that industry left, it turned into a shit hole. Chicago has a huge variety of business and industries, there's no risk of it turning into Detroit any time soon. These areas of Chicago have been this way for decades, and they're actually better than they used to be, but still shitty. The map is also kind of deceiving, making the crime look a lot closer than it is to the nicer areas.

but while we're on the subject of Detroit, I'm so godamn sick of hearing about how we need to save Detroit, and why we need to build more industry there too keep it alive. Why? What purpose does Detroit have? Why do we feel the need to pour resources and money into keeping it around? It's a shithole place with no value.
They said the same thing about oakland... now oakland is detroit's west coast cousin.
Well, if that happens I'll just move and bring my liberal ideals elsewhere...I hear NC is nice :woo
lol... I have some family moving here from Chicago. I can't wait for them to tell me how everything is done in chicago, and how it's way better over there. Insert NY, or NJ and that is what I here every day.
Edited by ilivas, Jan 3 2013, 05:42 PM.
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sn00zie
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exactly....... so if its so great WHY ARE YOU HERE?
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Tommyb

sn00zie
Jan 3 2013, 09:52 PM
exactly....... so if its so great WHY ARE YOU HERE?
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It's not because of the politics...
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ilivas

Tommyb
Jan 3 2013, 11:24 PM
sn00zie
Jan 3 2013, 09:52 PM
exactly....... so if its so great WHY ARE YOU HERE?

It's not because of the politics...
Sadly, it normally is due to politics. They move here because of available jobs due to our better local economy, low cost of living, or low crime rate, yet they cry for union labor, yearn for redistribution of wealth, and bitch when the armed citizens help keep them safe.

One thing I never understood about chicago is how it could get so freaking cold in the winter, and so hot in the summer.
Edited by ilivas, Jan 4 2013, 01:14 AM.
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ilivas

sn00zie
Jan 3 2013, 09:52 PM
exactly....... so if its so great WHY ARE YOU HERE?
That's what I always say... the highway goes both ways, you don't need to stay here.
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Tommyb

ilivas
Jan 4 2013, 01:12 AM
Tommyb
Jan 3 2013, 11:24 PM
sn00zie
Jan 3 2013, 09:52 PM
exactly....... so if its so great WHY ARE YOU HERE?

It's not because of the politics...
Sadly, it normally is due to politics. They move here because of available jobs due to our better local economy, low cost of living, or low crime rate, yet they cry for union labor, yearn for redistribution of wealth, and bitch when the armed citizens help keep them safe.

One thing I never understood about chicago is how it could get so freaking cold in the winter, and so hot in the summer.
Well don't lump Chicagoans...Chicagans....Chicaaagens....whatever, with New Yorkers....they're all pieces of shit haha. My good friend from school was born and raised in New York and just recently moved to Chicago last week and she cant get over how much better Chicago is. She said it's 100x cleaner, people are a lot nicer, and its over all just a much better place to live
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well chicago is a smaller place as well... talking 2mil vs 18mil

thats a pretty large gap, I didn't really notice any overly rude people in NYC, everyone is just moving fast,
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Tommyb

CHICAGO IS BETTER DAMNIT!!

But it's not just Liberals moving to other places and bringing their crazy with them, it works both ways as well. Chicago has plenty of conservative nut jobs moving up here from other places trying to put God in to everything and keep the No-Homo laws in place. People just need to stop being so damn extreme on both sides. It just sucks for me because I'm neither a big liberal, or a conservative. The moderates are the ones getting really fucked today because they have to listen to all of the shit and we cant even pick a side haha.
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separation between church and state..............

but now that is being exploited by libs as everything has to be gray vanilla and dead...void of anything........ shouldn't say the pledge cause it has the word "god" in it?

sorry the founding people did believe in god.. they just didn't believe you should be locked in the kings tower cause you didn't pray the same way.
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Tommyb

Yeah, I mean I'm not defending the liberals and saying they don't have their fair share of crazies, but it goes both ways. I don't think the Pledge should be banned from schools tho just because it says "under God." I personally don't really like that it says that, and I would prefer it to say something else, but I really don't care that they allow it in schools. If I had a kid and his whole class was saying it, even tho I don't really approve of the under God part, I wouldn't really care if he/she were to join in. It's just words. It's the meaning behind the whole pledge that counts. I don't think schools have the right to force kids to say it tho.

I think anything like that in school needs to be on a volunteer basis instead of banning/forcing it on people. Like if a kid doesn't want to say the pledge of allegiance, no matter what their reason, I think they should have the right to sit down and color or something. I think public schools should have the right to allow their teachers/students practice religion within the school walls, just not force it on kids, or teach it during class. For instance, if I were in one of my highschool classes, and one of my teachers started preaching about God and how we all need him in our lives and started to lead us in a prayer, I would have flipped a shit. However, there was one teacher with a couple students that started a morning prayer session every Thursday. They would just go out around the flagpole every Thursday morning, and somebody would lead the entire group in a prayer session before classes started. Buy the end of the first year they did this, there were about 100 students and teachers out there every week praying together. I, along with the majority of the school, found nothing wrong with it because they just invited students to join them voluntarily. However, a few Muslim students did a similar thing on the complete other side of the school, not even on the same day or to combat this group at all, and people flipped the EF out. It was like 10 students that were very nice, quiet, respectful, that found a corner in a giant highschool (5k students) and people flipped out because they said they were being anti-god or some ridiculous bullshit.

Society needs to learn that just because our founding fathers were Christian and got here first, doesn't make Christianity the national religion. America has no religion. Christians, Jews, Atheists, Muslims, Sociologist, Agnostics, Jahova Witness, whatever are all the same. There's no one religion that should have any more authority or presence in our legal system, period.
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ilivas

I think you should have the right to participate in the pledge of allegiance in school or not, it's your choice. I think you should also have the option to have a prayer, or not in school, at student's disgression.

I'm a firm believer of separation of church and state.

Btw.... talk about dumping on religious freedom. I can't believe the libs are getting away with this hobby lobby crap.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/04/hobby-lobby-risks-fines-to-defy-obamacare.html
Edited by ilivas, Jan 4 2013, 03:03 PM.
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are you not just pledging allegiance to your country?
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ilivas

sn00zie
Jan 4 2013, 06:15 PM
are you not just pledging allegiance to your country?
I tend to agree, but if people are gonna get but hurt over it they shouldn't have to. I'm fine with that as long as they don't prevent me from pledging allegiance to my country
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and also isn't "god" a pretty vanilla word too?

it doesn't say... our holy father jesus christ, son, the father, the holy ghost hail mary blblahbalh

just "god" almost every religion has their own version... except when you say "god" everyone automaticlly said OHhh hell no its that christian one!

except atheists i guess.... which just change that with "nothing"

which is kinda lame.... you can't believe in science or anything and be "religious" .. kinda silly, cause science doesn't have the answers for everything.. the more we learn the more we don't know, we'll probably never know. its like a giant complicated guessing game.

Even the big bang... ok so all these elements were just hanging around in nothingness and had some chain reaction that cause all of this to happen.. so how did all that stuff get there...? there was nothing before that? you don't have to believe god is some glowing white dood with a beard, thats just dumb.
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well, i consider myself atheist, and yes, there are lots of questions without answer. But thinking that a God is the reason of everything... well, that's the easiest way to accept everything and not worry about...

You gave the example of big bang and some questions about it. But i can say the same about God, like why is he there? for how long?

Everything will have a demonstrable reason, like now thunders, lightnings and all the climate stuff that centuries ago was all created by gods...
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ilivas

sn00zie
Jan 4 2013, 06:38 PM
and also isn't "god" a pretty vanilla word too?

it doesn't say... our holy father jesus christ, son, the father, the holy ghost hail mary blblahbalh

just "god" almost every religion has their own version... except when you say "god" everyone automaticlly said OHhh hell no its that christian one!

except atheists i guess.... which just change that with "nothing"

which is kinda lame.... you can't believe in science or anything and be "religious" .. kinda silly, cause science doesn't have the answers for everything.. the more we learn the more we don't know, we'll probably never know. its like a giant complicated guessing game.

Even the big bang... ok so all these elements were just hanging around in nothingness and had some chain reaction that cause all of this to happen.. so how did all that stuff get there...? there was nothing before that? you don't have to believe god is some glowing white dood with a beard, thats just dumb.
Many Christians believe in the big bang. Many Christian scholars are beginning to accept it.
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I don't think we'll ever run out of questions, and im not even sure our pea brains will even find an answer.

maybe god isn't a "thing" maybe its just the rules to everything..... IDK, the more we learn the more we don't understand and the deeper we get werider it gets.

Im done worrying about it hahaah
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Tommyb

ilivas
Jan 4 2013, 03:02 PM
I think you should have the right to participate in the pledge of allegiance in school or not, it's your choice. I think you should also have the option to have a prayer, or not in school, at student's disgression.

I'm a firm believer of separation of church and state.

Btw.... talk about dumping on religious freedom. I can't believe the libs are getting away with this hobby lobby crap.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/04/hobby-lobby-risks-fines-to-defy-obamacare.html
IMO, this has nothing to do with religious freedom. This is a public business, not a religious organization. The only reason this has gotten so out of hand is because of the whole abortion thing, which I refuse to debate online because A.) nobody will change their mind on it, and B.) I dont care haha.

But anyway, this is not a religious organization, this is a business. THe only reason this business has any religious ties at all, is because the owners happen to be evangelicals. Do you really expect the supreme court to set a precedent that a public business can be exempt from federal law because of the owners religious beliefs? That's a modern day Pandoras box.
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