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Did you guys think the translation and following comments about the SMTown photos with Taeyeon in them were out of bounds? Like was it a precautionary removal because of how the thread has been lately or is it a good example of what's not allowed.
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Oct 20 2013, 06:24 PM
Those comments were gross and uncalled for so yeah got rid of them.

No, that's not it at all. You spoilered your comment because you knew people here wouldn't want to read it. And that's because it doesn't belong here. I don't think you were intentionally trying to "isabella" so I mean, i'm not banning you or anything, but please keep in mind that this is forum is not made for discussing straight ships or speculating about straightness through videos or rumors - it not only causes wank but there are plenty of other forums dedicated to that sort of thing.
I thought we were allowed to talk about straight rumours as long as we kept it reasonable?
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yeah, i noticed that the anon got ignored too.. :lol: IDK, but thanks, i'm just concerned because we all know that the event is later, and i'm sure there'll be max amount of pics, hopefully will be in order, not repetitive/not less and will be posted in right manner because i want to enjoy/spazz later.. :)
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@OP I would not worry so much for this anon just scroll the bitchy com, they like calling troll on errthing anyhow. I would not worry so much about repetitiveness either, that seems to be normal in any event so if most don't concern themselves why should you be so damn worried about an anti? Be happy anon life is too damn short.  :grouphug:

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Those comments were gross and uncalled for so yeah got rid of them.

No, that's not it at all. You spoilered your comment because you knew people here wouldn't want to read it. And that's because it doesn't belong here. I don't think you were intentionally trying to "isabella" so I mean, i'm not banning you or anything, but please keep in mind that this is forum is not made for discussing straight ships or speculating about straightness through videos or rumors - it not only causes wank but there are plenty of other forums dedicated to that sort of thing.
I thought we were allowed to talk about straight rumours as long as we kept it reasonable?
I probably should've worded it better.

The questions about straight ships/rumors (eg: "do you know more about koonfany?") and baiting comments w/o reasonable analysis and context (like what was posted) is what isn't allowed. I don't think anyone has a problem with reasonable discussion about straightness, but it's important keep in mind that this forum probably isn't the best place for that sort of thing.
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Did you guys think the translation and following comments about the SMTown photos with Taeyeon in them were out of bounds? Like was it a precautionary removal because of how the thread has been lately or is it a good example of what's not allowed.
A little bit of both actually.
The translation could've led to a wank considering how the thread was earlier and also deleted the h**chul comments saying how Sm was trying to make him relevant again, those do not belong in the SNSD thread.
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Those comments were gross and uncalled for so yeah got rid of them.

No, that's not it at all. You spoilered your comment because you knew people here wouldn't want to read it. And that's because it doesn't belong here. I don't think you were intentionally trying to "isabella" so I mean, i'm not banning you or anything, but please keep in mind that this is forum is not made for discussing straight ships or speculating about straightness through videos or rumors - it not only causes wank but there are plenty of other forums dedicated to that sort of thing.
I thought we were allowed to talk about straight rumours as long as we kept it reasonable?
The rumors had to be actual rumors like those widely reported by the media not fan speculation; and the discussion itself had to steer clear of shipping as well.


^Damn it, I meant the anon's question is a good question.
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Ok, went back to page 428 and deleted some stuff that was irrelevant and that I considered shit stirring.
Wrote down some ips and I'm going back more pages to see if those ips match to the previous wank today.

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IIRC, it was a vid posted by ShipCaptain that started all this crap?
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Oct 20 2013, 09:33 PM
The rumors had to be actual rumors like those widely reported by the media not fan speculation; and the discussion itself had to steer clear of shipping as well.


^Damn it, I meant the anon's question is a good question.
Ahh, right, that's fair enough. I assume that talk about straightness is still allowed if there's a general sexuality topic, though?
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what if you wrote some comments and you genuinely didn't know it was going to be taken as trolling or shit-stirring?
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Oct 20 2013, 09:38 PM
Ok, went back to page 428 and deleted some stuff that was irrelevant and that I considered shit stirring.
Wrote down some ips and I'm going back more pages to see if those ips match to the previous wank today.

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IIRC, it was a vid posted by ShipCaptain that started all this crap?
There were many craps but the Heeeeeee one yes.
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The rumors had to be actual rumors like those widely reported by the media not fan speculation; and the discussion itself had to steer clear of shipping as well.


^Damn it, I meant the anon's question is a good question.
Ahh, right, that's fair enough. I assume that talk about straightness is still allowed if there's a general sexuality topic, though?
By straightness you mean the girls heterosexuality? Sure, you can believe some/all are straight but in discussions like that Isabellas pop up because straight ships is the only way they can push/prove a member's straightness so it's iffy. You can say they are straight but it just depends on what is going on in the thread at the moment and how its worded that will probably determine if the comment has a place in the thread or not.
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Oct 20 2013, 09:40 PM
what if you wrote some comments and you genuinely didn't know it was going to be taken as trolling or shit-stirring?
idk about Ihla or Abc, but I can usually tell who knows and who doesn't. I didn't think the last perceived isabella (scroll up a bit to see which one) intended for their comments to be isabellaish, so I gave them a warning but still deleted the wank-starting post that was reported multiple times.
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By straightness you mean the girls heterosexuality? Sure, you can believe some/all are straight but in discussions like that Isabellas pop up because straight ships is the only way they can push/prove a member's straightness so it's iffy. You can say they are straight but it just depends on what is going on in the thread at the moment and how its worded that will probably determine if the comment has a place in the thread or not.
Yeah, and using rumours and videos to say, "she seems pretty into men here". The same kind of stuff that people use to say that she's gay.
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Oct 20 2013, 09:40 PM
what if you wrote some comments and you genuinely didn't know it was going to be taken as trolling or shit-stirring?
Yeah, it's hard differientating between the two. That's why in those cases we pen down that ip address and keep an eye on it.
Take the taensic drama a little while ago:

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Me ship tae with myself and with people That i think good for her.i just like taeny friendship just it cos i see her Happy when with tiff so i'm Happy too
any specific targets?
if i were a taeyeon stan i would've totally shipped her with sunny, tiffany and seohyun, js.
I like her with jess just like dont ship.i just want taeyeon fwith someone That decent for her i cant see it now who That person is.just hope not from idol world she Deserve better -_-

Not everyone will agree with what some of these posters are saying, but that doesn't mean it's trolling, even if they consider it so.

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but isn't she considered the unfaithful cheating bastard who dumped jessica and treated her like shit in taengsic?
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lol don't tell me people who think that way are still shipping taengsic :rofl:
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yes, a lot of them actually. that's why they see tiffany as the home wrecker who came in between taengsic. i guess more drama more fun for them.
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People actually think that :rofl:
Whats their logic as to why jeti are still as close as ever then
That's just plain shit stirring (that whole ship and let ship thing?) and a pontential wank if it were to remain on the thread.
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By straightness you mean the girls heterosexuality? Sure, you can believe some/all are straight but in discussions like that Isabellas pop up because straight ships is the only way they can push/prove a member's straightness so it's iffy. You can say they are straight but it just depends on what is going on in the thread at the moment and how its worded that will probably determine if the comment has a place in the thread or not.
Yeah, and using rumours and videos to say, "she seems pretty into men here". The same kind of stuff that people use to say that she's gay.
Exactly, and that may sound hypocritical but this is a queer space not a hetero one so viewing and pushing the idea of So Gay Shi Dae is not wrong here, hell its the forum name.
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Did you guys think the translation and following comments about the SMTown photos with Taeyeon in them were out of bounds? Like was it a precautionary removal because of how the thread has been lately or is it a good example of what's not allowed.
A little bit of both actually.
The translation could've led to a wank considering how the thread was earlier and also deleted the h**chul comments saying how Sm was trying to make him relevant again, those do not belong in the SNSD thread.
But I'm just specifically asking about the joking comments about their acting/funny faces they were making. I don't think there is anything wrong with those comments and wanted to clarify whether or not they were.

I don't disagree with their removal because of how the thread has been and the post the comments were made on needed to be removed for the sake of everyone's sanity.
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Exactly, and that may sound hypocritical but this is a queer space not a hetero one so viewing and pushing the idea of So Gay Shi Dae is not wrong here, hell its the forum name.
I'm not saying it's wrong, lol. I'm saying that maybe there should be some allowances if there's a genuine discussion going on. It might be a forum with queer users, but it's an SNSD forum too, so... I mean, it's not really that out of there to assume some people might want to have a legitimate debate about whether or not a specific SNSD member might actually be gay or not.
There's potential for wanks, sure, but there's always potential for wanks.
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That's just plain shit stirring (that whole ship and let ship thing?) and a pontential wank if it were to remain on the thread.
Not sure if I should DA or not since I think your post was in general and not that anon. :unsure:

Anyways comments like that are common place in the thread, if that's considered shit stirring now then I hope they continue being deleted for all ships and not just this instance.
I'm 50/50 on the posts because I get how they could induce wank but they are kind of everyday comments and in this case they aren't lying about how some Taengsic shippers view "TaeNySic".
Also I don't see how those comments are worse than recent comments about Taeyeon's place in Taeny, Tiffany's place in Taeny and hetero-normative view of Taeny shippers.
The Taeny commentary was in the same vein as the Taengsic one.
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Did you guys think the translation and following comments about the SMTown photos with Taeyeon in them were out of bounds? Like was it a precautionary removal because of how the thread has been lately or is it a good example of what's not allowed.
A little bit of both actually.
The translation could've led to a wank considering how the thread was earlier and also deleted the h**chul comments saying how Sm was trying to make him relevant again, those do not belong in the SNSD thread.
But I'm just specifically asking about the joking comments about their acting/funny faces they were making. I don't think there is anything wrong with those comments and wanted to clarify whether or not they were.

I don't disagree with their removal because of how the thread has been and the post the comments were made on needed to be removed for the sake of everyone's sanity.
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da lol makes sense. their faces look all angsty and and spiteful

That would fall in with the precautionary removal bit.

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Exactly, and that may sound hypocritical but this is a queer space not a hetero one so viewing and pushing the idea of So Gay Shi Dae is not wrong here, hell its the forum name.
I'm not saying it's wrong, lol. I'm saying that maybe there should be some allowances if there's a genuine discussion going on. It might be a forum with queer users, but it's an SNSD forum too, so... I mean, it's not really that out of there to assume some people might want to have a legitimate debate about whether or not a specific SNSD member might actually be gay or not.
There's potential for wanks, sure, but there's always potential for wanks.
True and people are free to have such discussions as long as they don't Isabella, I don't think there should ever be allowances in the case of Isabellaing. This is simply not the place to discuss how true a straight ship is and how this proves the girl in it is straight, there are 10k other forums for that.
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Exactly, and that may sound hypocritical but this is a queer space not a hetero one so viewing and pushing the idea of So Gay Shi Dae is not wrong here, hell its the forum name.
I'm not saying it's wrong, lol. I'm saying that maybe there should be some allowances if there's a genuine discussion going on. It might be a forum with queer users, but it's an SNSD forum too, so... I mean, it's not really that out of there to assume some people might want to have a legitimate debate about whether or not a specific SNSD member might actually be gay or not.
There's potential for wanks, sure, but there's always potential for wanks.
True and people are free to have such discussions as long as they don't Isabella, I don't think there should ever be allowances in the case of Isabellaing. This is simply not the place to discuss how true a straight ship is and how this proves the girl in it is straight, there are 10k other forums for that.
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True and people are free to have such discussions as long as they don't Isabella, I don't think there should ever be allowances in the case of Isabellaing. This is simply not the place to discuss how true a straight ship is and how this proves the girl in it is straight, there are 10k other forums for that.
Not, "oh they dated and therefore they're straight", I mean, "you can see in this video how she looks at him in the same way she looks at Tiffany, so I don't think that proves she's gay", or something like that.
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True and people are free to have such discussions as long as they don't Isabella, I don't think there should ever be allowances in the case of Isabellaing. This is simply not the place to discuss how true a straight ship is and how this proves the girl in it is straight, there are 10k other forums for that.
Not, "oh they dated and therefore they're straight", I mean, "you can see in this video how she looks at him in the same way she looks at Tiffany, so I don't think that proves she's gay", or something like that.
Yeah, I wouldn't use men for that argument I would use other women if the poster you are replying to is saying X member looks at Y member with the "look of love" so they are gay argument. Men should never be used to prove straightness here, it will always be Isabellaing no matter if you don't ship or care for the straight coupling. You don't have to be an Isabella to push a straight ship and comments like that do even if that's not your intention.
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I think it would be better if you make a list of everything that people can talk about because it's getting confusing.
everything is not allowed now we didn't have these problems before we were free to talk about almost everything. yes it is a place for queers who like snsd but anons have been extra sensitive lately they report everything and it looks like you guys delete everything that gets reported.
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Not sure if I should DA or not since I think your post was in general and not that anon. :unsure:

Anyways comments like that are common place in the thread, if that's considered shit stirring now then I hope they continue being deleted for all ships and not just this instance.
I'm 50/50 on the posts because I get how they could induce wank but they are kind of everyday comments and in this case they aren't lying about how some Taengsic shippers view "TaeNySic".
Also I don't see how those comments are worse than recent comments about Taeyeon's place in Taeny, Tiffany's place in Taeny and hetero-normative view of Taeny shippers.
The Taeny commentary was in the same vein as the Taengsic one.

You're right, will try our best to be impartial when it comese to those kinds of comments, but understand that we also take into consideration some other factors like timing, sometimes attitude, previous posts and other circumstances.

Let me make clear that I don't think that these type of comments are acceptable, but sometimes they can be justified.

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I think it would be better if you make a list of everything that people can talk about because it's getting confusing.
everything is not allowed now we didn't have these problems before we were free to talk about almost everything. yes it is a place for queers who like snsd but anons have been extra sensitive lately they report everything and it looks like you guys delete everything that gets reported.
I think we've had less reports now that when we did back at the beginning, maybe that's why it seems that way. When a user reports a post, she usually does it through here and we address the situation to see whether it needs removing or not, the only things we do remove inmediately are troll posts.

I'll work on revamping the FAQ section with the help of the other mods, but it won't be of any help at all if people don't read them, and most don't bother to do it.

Super late reply because 15 = 30, lawl.
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Not sure if I should DA or not since I think your post was in general and not that anon. :unsure:

Anyways comments like that are common place in the thread, if that's considered shit stirring now then I hope they continue being deleted for all ships and not just this instance.
I'm 50/50 on the posts because I get how they could induce wank but they are kind of everyday comments and in this case they aren't lying about how some Taengsic shippers view "TaeNySic".
Also I don't see how those comments are worse than recent comments about Taeyeon's place in Taeny, Tiffany's place in Taeny and hetero-normative view of Taeny shippers.
The Taeny commentary was in the same vein as the Taengsic one.

You're right, will try our best to be impartial when it comese to those kinds of comments, but understand that we also take into consideration some other factors like timing, sometimes attitude, previous posts and other circumstances.

Let me make clear that I don't think that these type of comments are acceptable, but sometimes they can be justified.
I understand timing is key many times but at the same time those specific comments didn't evolve into a wank and like I said before are quite common with other ships and discussions. So if that is considered shit stirring then all similar comments should be deleted as well and posters should be educated and encouraged not to make them for thread peace or else you risk confusing posters.

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I think it would be better if you make a list of everything that people can talk about because it's getting confusing.
everything is not allowed now we didn't have these problems before we were free to talk about almost everything. yes it is a place for queers who like snsd but anons have been extra sensitive lately they report everything and it looks like you guys delete everything that gets reported.
Most of what gets reported and deleted is the most obvious of trolling like straight shipping, shit stirrers and insults towards toward the girls like slut. Saying we can't talk about anything is OTT, unless you want to straight ship or wank up the thread I don't see the ruckus but I can understand being a lil confused sometimes, I was going to make a comment on those SMTown pics about Taeyeon's demeanor (non Isabella of course) but didn't just in case. :unsure:
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I think we've had less reports now that when we did back at the beginning, maybe that's why it seems that way. When a user reports a post, she usually does it through here and we address the situation to see whether it needs removing or not, the only things we do remove inmediately are troll posts.

I'll work on revamping the FAQ section with the help of the other mods, but it won't be of any help at all if people don't read them, and most don't bother to do it.

Super late reply because 15 = 30, lawl.
i would definitely read the FAQ because i was reported some times here and everytime i don't see myself doing anything wrong because i am still going by the old rules even before you guys became mods here.
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i would definitely read the FAQ because i was reported some times here and everytime i don't see myself doing anything wrong because i am still going by the old rules even before you guys became mods here.
What old rules tho? It makes sense you need to follow current rules from the rule thread...
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i would definitely read the FAQ because i was reported some times here and everytime i don't see myself doing anything wrong because i am still going by the old rules even before you guys became mods here.
What old rules tho? It makes sense you need to follow current rules from the rule thread...
no one cared before like now. everything gets reported now anons take everything too seriously and report everything.
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i would definitely read the FAQ because i was reported some times here and everytime i don't see myself doing anything wrong because i am still going by the old rules even before you guys became mods here.
What old rules tho? It makes sense you need to follow current rules from the rule thread...
no one cared before like now. everything gets reported now anons take everything too seriously and report everything.
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You can't change that, if people think a post is violating a rule they have all the right to report it. Mods then have to decide if it does or not. If you don't give a fuck and almost nothing bothers you then good for you but others wanting the thread clean of rule breaking posts is a fact of forum life.
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i would definitely read the FAQ because i was reported some times here and everytime i don't see myself doing anything wrong because i am still going by the old rules even before you guys became mods here.
What old rules tho? It makes sense you need to follow current rules from the rule thread...
no one cared before like now. everything gets reported now anons take everything too seriously and report everything.
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You can't change that, if people think a post is violating a rule they have all the right to report it. Mods then have to decide if it does or not. If you don't give a fuck and almost nothing bothers you then good for you but others wanting the thread clean of rule breaking posts is a fact of forum life.
how is asking for a new more clear FAQ so we don't get confused trying to change the forum life?
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I understand timing is key many times but at the same time those specific comments didn't evolve into a wank and like I said before are quite common with other ships and discussions. So if that is considered shit stirring then all similar comments should be deleted as well and posters should be educated and encouraged not to make them for thread peace or else you risk confusing posters.

Most of what gets reported and deleted is the most obvious of trolling like straight shipping, shit stirrers and insults towards toward the girls like slut. Saying we can't talk about anything is OTT, unless you want to straight ship or wank up the thread I don't see the ruckus but I can understand being a lil confused sometimes, I was going to make a comment on those SMTown pics about Taeyeon's demeanor (non Isabella of course) but didn't just in case. :unsure:
I see your point, but we can't go on a deleting spree because someone got offended by what some other person said, that's why we take many things into consideration, even if they don't evolve into wanks and especially when they do evolve into wanks.


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i would definitely read the FAQ because i was reported some times here and everytime i don't see myself doing anything wrong because i am still going by the old rules even before you guys became mods here.
Well, that makes you one of the few among some 10,000 users.
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I understand timing is key many times but at the same time those specific comments didn't evolve into a wank and like I said before are quite common with other ships and discussions. So if that is considered shit stirring then all similar comments should be deleted as well and posters should be educated and encouraged not to make them for thread peace or else you risk confusing posters.
I see your point, but we can't go on a deleting spree because someone got offended by what some other person said, that's why we take many things into consideration, even if they don't evolve into wanks and especially when they do evolve into wanks.
Of course not, I mean similar posts because they would/should be considered shit stirring as well. A post doesn't have to create a wank or even bother people for it to be shit stirring, its the potential.

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how is asking for a new more clear FAQ so we don't get confused trying to change the forum life?
I wasn't commenting on that but you saying everything gets reported now and people care more.
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Man Soshi....

http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8620054&t=9140814
Quoted: http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8620058&t=9140814
Posted again in the same page ^o) :http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8620064&t=9140814

ManSoshi has always been thought as Isabellaing and an insult because SNSD are women not men, IDAF if a wank over hasn't started.
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Man Soshi....

http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8620054&t=9140814
Quoted: http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8620058&t=9140814
Posted again in the same page ^o) : http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8620064&t=9140814

ManSoshi has always been thought as Isabellaing and an insult because SNSD are women not men, IDAF if a wank over hasn't started.
Fix link.
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