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Problem is, how many is too many and who decides that? The poster, and everyone has a different view of what is too much since we are dealing with a bunch of different people after all.

Wank starts over the most ridiculous things, eliminate images quoting and something else will arise. Or it'll get worse because people are pissed they can't see their beautiful bias past the initial post.
More than once per page is definitely too many.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8348523&t=8561834lol this is a YoonSic shipper being sarcastic, or someone trying to make them look like a victim.
so it was you. proxy, eh? ;)
Then let's agree on whoever made that comment is the :retard: , OK?
aww, calling yourself a :retard: ?
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No but seriously, don't you guys think unspoilered gifs will make pagecatching and scrolling so much more efficient and so much less painful? You don't need to read text after text to know which parts you want to skip.
Nobody agrees with me? Really??
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Problem is, how many is too many and who decides that? The poster, and everyone has a different view of what is too much since we are dealing with a bunch of different people after all.

Wank starts over the most ridiculous things, eliminate images quoting and something else will arise. Or it'll get worse because people are pissed they can't see their beautiful bias past the initial post.
More than once per page is definitely too many.
In your opinion Arti, I think 3-5 is fine but that's just it; different people, different tolerances.



Will the children up above stop it already? This has now become a personal fight between the two of you and should be moved to the Chat thread since it has nothing to do with a complaint anymore.
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OMG, this is a place for complains not a place to start a discussions, each complain must be specific!
The rules are clear, that when it comes to a complain, if 3 or more ppl agree to it, we admins/mods will make a decision.
I agree with Ihla, we will consider making a poll about it.
But please... please don't turn this place into a discussion one.
You can take it to the Chat thread if you like, but not here.
The complain was already noted so no need for the endless vicious cycle, so please stop.
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In your opinion Arti, I think 3-5 is fine but that's just it; different people, different tolerances.



Will the children up above stop it already? This has now become a personal fight between the two of you and should be moved to the Chat thread since it has nothing to do with a complaint anymore.
Actually, no, you might be right. Some Anons who don't know a new page will start might not be aware that they're posting the same image, so I'd say 3~5 would be fine as well. 5 would be the limit, any more and it's "too much", although it depends on the circumstances - perhaps an image posted near the middle of the page wouldn't be as exempt as someone posting near the top of it?
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OMG, this is a place for complains not a place to start a discussions, each complain must be specific!
The rules are clear, that when it comes to a complain, if 3 or more ppl agree to it, we admins/mods will make a decision.
I agree with Ihla, we will consider making a poll about it.
But please... please don't turn this place into a discussion one.
You can take it to the Chat thread if you like, but not here.
The complain was already noted so no need for the endless vicious cycle, so please stop.
To be fair, we got sent to discuss this here Abc so we were following previous orders. :thumbsup:
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Just don't quote too many gifs and convert img to url. THAT will enable people to scroll quicker and therefore create less wank. everybody wins.
Problem is, how many is too many and who decides that? The poster, and everyone has a different view of what is too much since we are dealing with a bunch of different people after all.

Wank starts over the most ridiculous things, eliminate images quoting and something else will arise. Or it'll get worse because people are pissed they can't see their beautiful bias past the initial post.
op A reasonable amount like 2 or 3 per page then they can spoiler or just convert it into an url not like the beautiful gifs will be lost. It's just a bit of consideration for people with slower internet connections and those that just want to scroll through. Doesn't mean you can't talk about the gif at all. Just meet each other half way girls we're all soshi fans here, gosh imagine us all together during the girls' concert or something.
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op A reasonable amount like 2 or 3 per page then they can spoiler or just convert it into an url not like the beautiful gifs will be lost. It's just a bit of consideration for people with slower internet connections and those that just want to scroll through. Doesn't mean you can't talk about the gif at all. Just meet each other half way girls we're all soshi fans here, gosh imagine us all together during the girls' concert or something.
These bitches all wore the same t-shirt and didn't spoiler the image! INCONSIDERATE :rofl:
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OMG, this is a place for complains not a place to start a discussions, each complain must be specific!
The rules are clear, that when it comes to a complain, if 3 or more ppl agree to it, we admins/mods will make a decision.
I agree with Ihla, we will consider making a poll about it.
But please... please don't turn this place into a discussion one.
You can take it to the Chat thread if you like, but not here.
The complain was already noted so no need for the endless vicious cycle, so please stop.
To be fair, we got sent to discuss this here Abc so we were following previous orders. :thumbsup:
Well, I wasn't around and I'm just pagecatching over what happened.
The thing is that, the complain is clear and noted, so why continue the discussion here, with things like:
-_- :retard:

No need to keep going over this again.

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Like I've stated before, not quoting pictures or removing the img tag is just common courtesy (I try to do it, at least), but it seems no one pays attention to that.
And seems ppl are annoyed by that, so we are definitely making a poll in order to make it a fair decision.
Just know that according to the votes, no matter the result, ppl won't be able to complain about it again.
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Hey Ihla,

What does Abc mean when she says Radster is going to edit the images so they won't be requoted? Did you guys grant her account with special privileges? So what else can her account do -- see IP addresses, delete posts, etc.?
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Hey Ihla,

What does Abc mean when she says Radster is going to edit the images so they won't be requoted? Did you guys grant her account with special privileges? So what else can her account do -- see IP addresses, delete posts, etc.?
I'm talking about this announcement: http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8349486&t=8561834
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http://sogayshidae.tk/single/?p=8349481&t=8561834

Just to clarify something.
Radster won't be a mod, the only ability she'll have is to edit pictures (we won't let her see the ips). She's not allowed to do anything else.
We chose Frost for that.
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There anon.
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There anon.
Is the attitude really necessary?
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There anon.
Is the attitude really necessary?
There's no attitude, I was honestly saying that the answer to your question was there.
I'm serious, no pun intended.
Have a good morning/afternoon/evening.
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isabella? i seriously don't want to read comments like that on a lesbian forum.
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I dont want sound rude, I do respect all the effort you guys are putting in this place (even though some bitches are so not worthy of it :nails: yes, I said it) but the thing is, people need to respect and have some common sense it's simple as that, be a classy bitch that's all.

if you put someone to edit the big gifs/pics when bitches are going to learn they have to spoiler them or put one of the pics/gif without spoilers and the rest on spoilers?

We used to call out when things like that happened on the previous thread, we should do that again, it's up to us to reinforce the things we want to fix.

instead of having someone to edit them, everyone that feels annoyed by the big shits just post it, like: put that shit on spoilers! or the polite version : please next time put those big gifs on spolers bla bla bla
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I dont want sound rude, I do respect all the effort you guys are putting in this place (even though some bitches are so not worthy of it :nails: yes, I said it) but the thing is, people need to respect and have some common sense it's simple as that, be a classy bitch that's all.

if you put someone to edit the big gifs/pics when bitches are going to learn they have to spoiler them or put one of the pics/gif without spoilers and the rest on spoilers?
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This!

It has been a common courtesy to spoiler long quotes and getting rid of the image tags for ages, most users should know that it's what's supposed to happen to keep the forum clean and makes it easier to pagecatch. Some new users might not know that, so I think it's important to make it a semi-rule that should be added to the FAQ/rules.

I read Abc's post saying that she doesn't want to add it to the rules because she doesn't want to ban people.

This is the part of her post that I am referring to:
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Now, if we DO make it a rule, the amount of warnings/perhaps banning would be ridiculous and we don't want anything like that.

You can add it to the rules without it having to be a bannable offense, nor do you have to give out loads of warnings. Adding something to the rules is good because people will know how to behave after reading them, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden everything will be more stricter. The rules are a guideline about rules that apply to a specific forum, every forum is different and everyone that visits should be made aware of special rules.

Talking about the rule, I have a semi complaint. On the rules this is stated:
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Rules below are more of recommendation. Breaking them once won't get you a ban but if you keep doing it, everyone will hate you and then SCO.

Which means that none of the rules should be taken seriously per se, nothing is bannable! It's like giving someone a free ticket to behave like an ass.

And about Radster being appointed to edit the image tags; I'm thankful that she's willing to offer up her free time, same for you, Ihla and Frost. Still, Instead of assigning someone to edit it for them, tell them and make them do it themselves(either by putting it in the rules, or reminding them). Your job is to jump in when people are misbehaving, not to babysit and clean up after they created a mess.

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Talking about the rule, I have a semi complaint. On the rules this is stated:
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Rules below are more of recommendation. Breaking them once won't get you a ban but if you keep doing it, everyone will hate you and then SCO.

Which means that none of the rules should be taken seriously per se, nothing is bannable! It's like giving someone a free ticket to behave like an ass.

And about Radster being appointed to edit the image tags; I'm thankful that she's willing to offer up her free time, same for you, Ihla and Frost. Still, Instead of assigning someone to edit it for them, tell them and make them do it themselves(either by putting it in the rules, or reminding them). Your job is to jump in when people are misbehaving, not to babysit and clean up after they created a mess.

If someone behaves like an ass, people will be annoyed. If people complain, that person will be banned.

I think the original admins tried not being as strict as tlc and give more power to the users of this forum.

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I dont want sound rude, I do respect all the effort you guys are putting in this place (even though some bitches are so not worthy of it :nails: yes, I said it) but the thing is, people need to respect and have some common sense it's simple as that, be a classy bitch that's all.

if you put someone to edit the big gifs/pics when bitches are going to learn they have to spoiler them or put one of the pics/gif without spoilers and the rest on spoilers?
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This!

It has been a common courtesy to spoiler long quotes and getting rid of the image tags for ages, most users should know that it's what's supposed to happen to keep the forum clean and makes it easier to pagecatch. Some new users might not know that, so I think it's important to make it a semi-rule that should be added to the FAQ/rules.

I read Abc's post saying that she doesn't want to add it to the rules because she doesn't want to ban people.

This is the part of her post that I am referring to:
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Now, if we DO make it a rule, the amount of warnings/perhaps banning would be ridiculous and we don't want anything like that.

You can add it to the rules without it having to be a bannable offense, nor do you have to give out loads of warnings. Adding something to the rules is good because people will know how to behave after reading them, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden everything will be more stricter. The rules are a guideline about rules that apply to a specific forum, every forum is different and everyone that visits should be made aware of special rules.

Talking about the rule, I have a semi complaint. On the rules this is stated:
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Rules below are more of recommendation. Breaking them once won't get you a ban but if you keep doing it, everyone will hate you and then SCO.

Which means that none of the rules should be taken seriously per se, nothing is bannable! It's like giving someone a free ticket to behave like an ass.

And about Radster being appointed to edit the image tags; I'm thankful that she's willing to offer up her free time, same for you, Ihla and Frost. Still, Instead of assigning someone to edit it for them, tell them and make them do it themselves(either by putting it in the rules, or reminding them). Your job is to jump in when people are misbehaving, not to babysit and clean up after they created a mess.

Anon, I honestly agree with you.
We discussed this with Ihla last night, and we thought about trying the good way, you know? Making ppl learn about spoilering shit.
If it doesn't work, the idea from the other anon above sounds logical, making it a rule... So it gives us the right to demand the application of it without the ban.
I'll definitely consider that, I'll talk to Ihla about it tonight ^_^
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When it comes to banning, the former admins stated that if ppl complain 3 times about the same poster she will be banned.
It has to be 3 diff ppl making the complain tho.
Obvious shit stirrers and gore/porn posters will be banned right away, no need for a complain to do so.
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http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8350509&t=8561834

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is there a faster way to report posts? i wish there was a single-button click but if zeta doesn't support that not much we can do ig...
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if you put someone to edit the big gifs/pics when bitches are going to learn they have to spoiler them or put one of the pics/gif without spoilers and the rest on spoilers?

We used to call out when things like that happened on the previous thread, we should do that again, it's up to us to reinforce the things we want to fix.

instead of having someone to edit them, everyone that feels annoyed by the big shits just post it, like: put that shit on spoilers! or the polite version : please next time put those big gifs on spolers bla bla bla
But this is already happening, most big gifs are already under spoilers and most making a spam leave one pic outside and the rest under spoiler. What is mostly left out of spoilers are smaller images and macros.

Some were complaining about the same image being quoted because "it slows down the page" when it's not true because browsers DL once and then display so once or 20 is the same connection wise.

Other complaints look like some didn't want to see the same images quoted nothing to do with lag but just not seeing the same image more than X amount of time. I find this particular complaint childish since we are always told to scroll what we don't care for and there's no difference between a discussion and an image you don't care to read/look at since browsers DL once and then display. That means one image quoted 5 times in a page will lag the page much less than 5 different images posted on the same page.

Only images that truly slowdown a page are the truly large gifs and the only gif of that kind I saw quoted was the gif of Tiffany winking and smiling at the camera on the last concert. It's not the images themselves but the hosting place can also slow down the displaying time and many of the images posted here are from Asian servers and those do take more time than tumblr for example.

I agree it's silly to have someone "clean up" for people, part because I feel there's nothing to really clean up. Again, the multiple quotes don't slow down the page so that complaint doesn't hold water and those who just don't want to see something more than X amount of time should be grown ups and just scroll like the rest of us. Pages look downright depressing and ugly just filled with text or links, it almost defeats the point of a forum versus other sites. And part because it reeks of infantilism, treat people like children and they'll behave like children, no one will do the work if they know someone will fix it later.

Some may not spoiler at times (talking about small images not big) because they don't see anything wrong, not because they're being an ass. Everyone has different views about what is too much, what is a huge gif, what is quoting too much, etc and even if they personally feel they are following the common courtesy, another anon may disagree. This could cause the anon that disagrees to voice their opinion but depending on how they do that it could be well received or just cause some massive wank, can’t ignore the fact some would love being able to complain at will just to annoy others or stop discussions they don’t care for. So while I agree we could easily regulate ourselves like before it could easily be abused.


About the three strike rule, reading it sounds more like 3 complaints are needed for mods to do anything including banning not that if three complaints are received the person is banned and done. Just making the comment because that's kinda how it sounded by Abc's last explanation.
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There's a troll right now in the discussion board...
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There's a troll right now in the discussion board...
I know, I know.
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There's a troll right now in the discussion board...
I know, I know.
^ SA above

Sorry, I forgot you were there, thanks anyway...

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if you put someone to edit the big gifs/pics when bitches are going to learn they have to spoiler them or put one of the pics/gif without spoilers and the rest on spoilers?

We used to call out when things like that happened on the previous thread, we should do that again, it's up to us to reinforce the things we want to fix.

instead of having someone to edit them, everyone that feels annoyed by the big shits just post it, like: put that shit on spoilers! or the polite version : please next time put those big gifs on spolers bla bla bla
But this is already happening, most big gifs are already under spoilers and most making a spam leave one pic outside and the rest under spoiler. What is mostly left out of spoilers are smaller images and macros.

Some were complaining about the same image being quoted because "it slows down the page" when it's not true because browsers DL once and then display so once or 20 is the same connection wise.

Other complaints look like some didn't want to see the same images quoted nothing to do with lag but just not seeing the same image more than X amount of time. I find this particular complaint childish since we are always told to scroll what we don't care for and there's no difference between a discussion and an image you don't care to read/look at since browsers DL once and then display. That means one image quoted 5 times in a page will lag the page much less than 5 different images posted on the same page.

Only images that truly slowdown a page are the truly large gifs and the only gif of that kind I saw quoted was the gif of Tiffany winking and smiling at the camera on the last concert. It's not the images themselves but the hosting place can also slow down the displaying time and many of the images posted here are from Asian servers and those do take more time than tumblr for example.

I agree it's silly to have someone "clean up" for people, part because I feel there's nothing to really clean up. Again, the multiple quotes don't slow down the page so that complaint doesn't hold water and those who just don't want to see something more than X amount of time should be grown ups and just scroll like the rest of us. Pages look downright depressing and ugly just filled with text or links, it almost defeats the point of a forum versus other sites. And part because it reeks of infantilism, treat people like children and they'll behave like children, no one will do the work if they know someone will fix it later.

Some may not spoiler at times (talking about small images not big) because they don't see anything wrong, not because they're being an ass. Everyone has different views about what is too much, what is a huge gif, what is quoting too much, etc and even if they personally feel they are following the common courtesy, another anon may disagree. This could cause the anon that disagrees to voice their opinion but depending on how they do that it could be well received or just cause some massive wank, can’t ignore the fact some would love being able to complain at will just to annoy others or stop discussions they don’t care for. So while I agree we could easily regulate ourselves like before it could easily be abused.


About the three strike rule, reading it sounds more like 3 complaints are needed for mods to do anything including banning not that if three complaints are received the person is banned and done. Just making the comment because that's kinda how it sounded by Abc's last explanation.
We realize that anon, but the fact is that we can't keep everybody in the thread happy. Ever.
When we dicussed making a poll for you guys about the image tags, these were the options:

1) Have people try to spoiler or remove the tags; but we saw how well that worked out.
2) Making it a rule to remove an image from a convo after it has already been quoted a certain number of times, but that's just wank waiting to happen.
3) Limit the amount of times you could quote a certain post, meaning that the image would be discarded at some point.
4) Leave things as they are.

The idea was that which ever option was voted the most, would be made a rule, so we decided against it because people would some way or the other take advantage of that and then we would have a sea of complains and wank and it's TLC all over again. That's why we decided to go for a more neutral option, which was having someone edit the posts, and Raddy had already volunteered, which seemed perfect! This will allow you to post without having to worry about removing the tags or spoilering them. We made it clear to Raddy that she only needs to do so if she sees the same image several times on the same page, if it's been quoted for several pages or if an anon/registered asks for it, and in this case, she's also have to check that the image has been showed several times. She won't always be able to do it though.

We'll keep things like this for a while and see how they work out, if they don't, then we will resort to a poll, but then keep in mind that everyone would have to abide to the rule that results.

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About the three strike rule, like Abc said, it was the former admins who came up with this rule in the beginning (after discussing it with all of us, I might add). Three people have to make a complaint about a certain user before we consider banning them, unless it's blatant trolling. Now, we don't just ban anyone without checking why people are complaining about them in the first place. Said poster will be warned and if they keep up with whatever it is that causing people to complain, then we will ban them teomporarily, but if we see that they keep with their attitude, we'll then consider banning permanently.

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Now I'm late for work, peace out bishes!
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idk if it's just me but i feel as if an anon is trying to start taeny wank rn. anyway it could just be me but i feel like it was just out of nowhere.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8351856&t=8561834
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This anon is starting to remind me of that Tiffany stan troll from TLC...

http://w11.zetaboards.com/sogayshidae/single/?p=8351887&t=8561834

I don't know if it's the same anon but someone always goes around interjecting into convos how this or that won't work or be because not enough Taeyeon? Sounds random and shit stirr-y.
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i think you should do something about this constant complaining about yoonsic. that is just one example.
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this too.
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