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orangedaffodils
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Sep 25 2013, 01:58 AM
today felt like it's way too long and it's not even over yet.
i just want to curl up in a ball and cry...
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I'm sorry your day isn't going well :-/

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ihla and orange: thanks  :grouphug:
today was just stressful, well this whole week is.
i just hope everything goes well.
i gotta go. i apologize for venting here.
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as much as I hate math, this is a brilliant stuff :rofl:

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as much as I hate math, this is a brilliant stuff :rofl:

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i want to buy a car but i have no money... :unsure:
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Sep 25 2013, 03:47 AM
i want to buy a car but i have no money... :unsure:
I want to buy all the things but I have no money. :unsure:

Living on credit jfc
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i want to buy a car but i have no money... :unsure:
I want to buy all the things but I have no money. :unsure:

Living on credit jfc
I want a job but I have no mon- wait ^o)

I refuse to get a credit card because I know it will ruin me
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i'm afraid to get a credit card :lol:

i want to get a job but i can't work off campus :-/
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This is brilliant! Omg
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have to ask this, anyone knows why americans are kinda obsessed with race?
I mean, the other day I was having this conversation with a girl on a forum about a character from a book, and she suddenly turned the whole conversation into a racial debate, saying that the guy left his wife for a white girl and I'm like bitch wat?
It's not even about that, I have no idea where she got the whole idea that it was about race in the first place. It was never made clear in the story that the situation was about race.

So I told her that it's not about race, the wife was not black and she went ballistic on me saying that SHE'S A WOMAN OF COLOR NOT BLACK!!!!111
And I felt like an asshole, like I was being racist, but seriously, I was not. My country is very mixed and we're not obsessed with race like americans seem to be. Funny though because I saw a lot of people asking the same thing, why americans are obsessed with race
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Sep 25 2013, 07:37 AM
have to ask this, anyone knows why americans are kinda obsessed with race?
I mean, the other day I was having this conversation with a girl on a forum about a character from a book, and she suddenly turned the whole conversation into a racial debate, saying that the guy left his wife for a white girl and I'm like bitch wat?
It's not even about that, I have no idea where she got the whole idea that it was about race in the first place. It was never made clear in the story that the situation was about race.

So I told her that it's not about race, the wife was not black and she went ballistic on me saying that SHE'S A WOMAN OF COLOR NOT BLACK!!!!111
And I felt like an asshole, like I was being racist, but seriously, I was not. My country is very mixed and we're not obsessed with race like americans seem to be. Funny though because I saw a lot of people asking the same thing, why americans are obsessed with race
Because racial dynamics play a part into our societal infrastructure and into just about everything people do here, regardless of whether or not they know it. She might've seen something you didn't in that implication - here, beauty standards are definitely white washed; to have women who aren't white get left behind in a book for a white woman plays into that insecurity and standard ideal. It's a way of looking at a situation (and an important way!) but ofc it's not the only way (at least in this situation I guess idk).

It's not that everyone here is obsessed about race, it's that it can't be ignored in discourse when it's literally a factor that plays into just about everything we think or do as a society.
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Sep 25 2013, 07:45 AM
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Sep 25 2013, 07:37 AM
have to ask this, anyone knows why americans are kinda obsessed with race?
I mean, the other day I was having this conversation with a girl on a forum about a character from a book, and she suddenly turned the whole conversation into a racial debate, saying that the guy left his wife for a white girl and I'm like bitch wat?
It's not even about that, I have no idea where she got the whole idea that it was about race in the first place. It was never made clear in the story that the situation was about race.

So I told her that it's not about race, the wife was not black and she went ballistic on me saying that SHE'S A WOMAN OF COLOR NOT BLACK!!!!111
And I felt like an asshole, like I was being racist, but seriously, I was not. My country is very mixed and we're not obsessed with race like americans seem to be. Funny though because I saw a lot of people asking the same thing, why americans are obsessed with race
Because racial dynamics play a part into our societal infrastructure and into just about everything people do here, regardless of whether or not they know it. She might've seen something you didn't in that implication - here, beauty standards are definitely white washed; to have women who aren't white get left behind in a book for a white woman plays into that insecurity and standard ideal. It's a way of looking at a situation (and an important way!) but ofc it's not the only way (at least in this situation I guess idk).

It's not that everyone here is obsessed about race, it's that it can't be ignored in discourse when it's literally a factor that plays into just about everything we think or do as a society.
it's pretty messed up
in high school asians hang out with asians, black people hang out with black people, latinos hang out with latinos and whites hang out with whites.
but not only americans are obsessed, they also seem very ignorant about race.
apparently mexican is a race to them, italians have their own category, they are not white? wtf
I mean, it's a mess
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Sep 25 2013, 07:52 AM
it's pretty messed up
in high school asians hang out with asians, black people hang out with black people, latinos hang out with latinos and whites hang out with whites.
but not only americans are obsessed, they also seem very ignorant about race.
apparently mexican is a race to them, italians have their own category, they are not white? wtf
I mean, it's a mess
Uhh...idk about that. My high school was p diverse, people hung out with all kinds of people on the regular. Can't say it's the same elsewhere like in smaller towns ofc. You're going to find ignorant racist people everywhere in the world but we seem to be the prime target of "oh your country is so backwards and racist!" etc etc simply because of worldwide media perception of the US. Not saying there's no merit to that, obviously racism is still a big problem here (especially at the micro level) but to say we're ignorant about it is a bit of a reach.

Our census though is quite outdated. Though italians don't and never had their own category, i'm not sure where you heard that from...
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Sep 25 2013, 08:02 AM
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Sep 25 2013, 07:52 AM
it's pretty messed up
in high school asians hang out with asians, black people hang out with black people, latinos hang out with latinos and whites hang out with whites.
but not only americans are obsessed, they also seem very ignorant about race.
apparently mexican is a race to them, italians have their own category, they are not white? wtf
I mean, it's a mess
Uhh...idk about that. My high school was p diverse, people hung out with all kinds of people on the regular. Can't say it's the same elsewhere like in smaller towns ofc. You're going to find ignorant racist people everywhere in the world but we seem to be the prime target of "oh your country is so backwards and racist!" etc etc simply because of worldwide media perception of the US. Not saying there's no merit to that, obviously racism is still a big problem here (especially at the micro level) but to say we're ignorant about it is a bit of a reach.

Our census though is quite outdated. Though italians don't and never had their own category, i'm not sure where you heard that from...
Everywhere? When someone has italian parents, they say that person is italian even tho he was born in the US
they use terms like korean-american, italian-american, african-american...are there really real americans? how come there aren't english-americans? these kind of terms just divide people even more
I think if the person is born in the US or japan for instance, they should be considered only american or japanese
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I can't give a first hand perspective but it seems as if the US is quite 'hypersensitive' to racial matter, people are very reluctant to single out minorities for crimes or what not for fear of being labelled as a racist and ostracized.

This is from a foreigners point of view tho.
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Sep 25 2013, 08:13 AM
Everywhere? When someone has italian parents, they say that person is italian even tho he was born in the US
they use terms like korean-american, italian-american, african-american...are there really real americans? how come there aren't english-americans? these kind of terms just divide people even more
I think if the person is born in the US or japan for instance, they should be considered only american or japanese
Yes, they're real Americans. There aren't "english" Americans because that's considered to be the default US denizen; When non-white Americans travel, and i've heard this from several friends, many don't believe they're even American based on their race. How insulting is that? Their experiences aren't going to be the same as white Americans and to lump them in with white Americans as simply "American" carries a huge cultural connotation - many non-white Americans still retain a cultural heritage even after their family has come here and to be lumped like that is extremely dismissive of their cultural identity. And I don't mean to imply that white Americans don't have a culture, but their experiences and treatment by society are going to be about the same regardless of whether they're of Irish heritage or Romanian.

When you get down to this level, Americans can't be treated as a monolith. You can't ignore their differences as people and assume their problems will disappear. The point is to look past these differences and treat them with respect.
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Sep 25 2013, 08:24 AM
I can't give a first hand perspective but it seems as if the US is quite 'hypersensitive' to racial matter, people are very reluctant to single out minorities for crimes or what not for fear of being labelled as a racist and ostracized.

This is from a foreigners point of view tho.
It's moreso that racial minorities are targeted as criminals. To give an example, racial minorities only make up a quarter of the illegal drug using population yet there's an overrepresentation of black men in prison for drug use. Why is that? Well for starters, the explosion of the prison population overall is mostly because of the war on drugs, which places a heavy emphasis on enforcement strategies to reduce illegal drug use and sales those of which are more easily implemented in poor/lower middle class neighborhoods which means a disproportionate amount of arrests and incarceration of minorities, especially black Americans. This, in turn, makes me skeptical about who law enforcement is really trying to protect if they're not even enforcing these newfound strategies where the largest part of the problem lies

This also begs the question as to why racial minorities usually fall into the lower end of the economic spectrum? The answer to this particular question probably also answers the question as to why high school dropout rates in poor urban areas are so high - no money = shitty education; there are more underlying issues at play than most people think.

Obviously i'm not qualified to give a more in depth answer, so if you'd like to know more there are experts within their respective fields that have published articles somewhere on the interwebs. Sorry, I can't be more detailed (a la giant essay) but I hope this helps explain things just a little bit more clearly. I'm super tired :sorry:
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Sep 25 2013, 08:24 AM
I can't give a first hand perspective but it seems as if the US is quite 'hypersensitive' to racial matter, people are very reluctant to single out minorities for crimes or what not for fear of being labelled as a racist and ostracized.

This is from a foreigners point of view tho.
i don't think the US is hypersensitive, it at least acknowledges the racial disparity. australia is just racist as fuck and does not address disproportion between the total population of indigenous australians which is only about 2% and why 25% of the prison population is indigenous australian.
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Wow Freo has the best fans! I kinda wanna root for them now just because..

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edit: anon Are you Aussie? I agree with you that we are generally too dismissive of the racism that still exists to some degree. The situation with the Indigenous population is terrible but I don't think it's fair to say that it's all white Australia's doing, IAs (perhaps rightfully) distrust us and their culture is very different to that of the rest of the country. I haven't personally had any really bad experiences, although I have come across some people who are incredibly ignorant to non-Caucasian cultures or view Asian as a monolithic race. Having said that, you'd be hard-pressed to find a multicultural society anywhere in the world where similar problems don't exist. I find that Australians tend to have an issue with foreigners rather than any specific race.
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Sep 25 2013, 11:27 AM
Is there any kind anon who can give me Shosho's insta link?
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Does anyone here have experience with GG's fansite goods?
I'm looking to get a 2014 calendar but I'm not sure which fansite to get from. I have FP in mind tho.
How's FP's rep with calendars, and can you recommend me any other good alternatives (based on the paper quality, photos, bonuses, packaging)?
The member doesn't really matter, but I already had Fany's for 2013 so I wanna get a different member for next year.
I'm looking to get the desk calendar btw, not the wall one.
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Sep 25 2013, 11:42 AM
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Is there any kind anon who can give me Shosho's insta link?
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Thanks Taewesome! :kiss:
lol there's not much pics still. Does she posts every once in a month? :rofl: March, July, September haha
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Sep 25 2013, 11:30 AM
Wow Freo has the best fans! I kinda wanna root for them now just because..

orange Did I miss the solution?

edit: anon Are you Aussie? I agree with you that we are generally too dismissive of the racism that still exists to some degree. The situation with the Indigenous population is terrible but I don't think it's fair to say that it's all white Australia's doing, IAs (perhaps rightfully) distrust us and their culture is very different to that of the rest of the country. I haven't personally had any really bad experiences, although I have come across some people who are incredibly ignorant to non-Caucasian cultures or view Asian as a monolithic race. Having said that, you'd be hard-pressed to find a multicultural society anywhere in the world where similar problems don't exist. I find that Australians tend to have an issue with foreigners rather than any specific race.
Their fans are so devoted it's awesome, but apparently they're thinking of changing their colours for the grandfinal from purple to white =\

And yes, we are a racist and bigoted country sadly, I come from rural Queensland where the majority of it, I honestly think is just ignorance. Everybody made gay jokes or jokes against Asians/ African Americans/ Italians because... to be honest there were none, and I think that it's the lack of exposure to other ethnicities that has the ingrown views in family values, hopefully over time as the population spreads, it will become less of an issue.

As for the indigenous... again I grew up in rural Queensland so there were quite a few aborigines, and realistically all the ones from both my primary and high school were pretty troublesome for the teachers to deal with. Their home lives apparently weren't that great either so I can see how that reflects int heir performance at school. I sadly cannot see a solution to the problem as a whole, I think it will take many years and some strong indigenous leadership and representation to get things to change =\.

Question of interest, what was the British Colonials solution tot he native Indians? Or was it just the 'reserves'? Has it worked?
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^ The stylist and Danshin Manager post more :lol:
Shosho did go on a liking spree when she joined IG, but she's busy being the 10th member so yeah xD
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Sep 25 2013, 11:48 AM
Their fans are so devoted it's awesome, but apparently they're thinking of changing their colours for the grandfinal from purple to white =\
I thought white was their away colour? Yeah heard some of them are driving 36hrs, paying $2000 for a flight, flying via Bali/KL, hiring a chartered plane to Melbourne just to cheer for their team. :blinkwide:

God I hope they do well, even though I should really go for the Hawks.
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edit: anon Are you Aussie? I agree with you that we are generally too dismissive of the racism that still exists to some degree. The situation with the Indigenous population is terrible but I don't think it's fair to say that it's all white Australia's doing, IAs (perhaps rightfully) distrust us and their culture is very different to that of the rest of the country. I haven't personally had any really bad experiences, although I have come across some people who are incredibly ignorant to non-Caucasian cultures or view Asian as a monolithic race. Having said that, you'd be hard-pressed to find a multicultural society anywhere in the world where similar problems don't exist. I find that Australians tend to have an issue with foreigners rather than any specific race.
yes i'm australian. racism is still prevalent, the cronulla riots didn't happen for no reason. there is a lack of multicultural representation in the media as well and when people of colour are represented, they're often stereotyped by their race.

i think it's fair to say that white australians are at fault in regards to what has happened to the indigenous people of australia. white australians have been privileged to live off the land for which their ancestors most likely took away from the indigenous australians and have been doing so for 200 years and indigenous australians have suffered at the expense of it. this is abundantly clear from how they're segregated from society and how alcohol addiction and substance abuse is a problem. it's a transgenerational trauma that they've suffered from.
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^Yeah no one's gonna try to deny that, that's history. It's just difficult for us to do much about it now since there's a trust issue (wow oversimplification/understatement of the century) and I'm not blaming IAs for being uncooperative but that doesn't change the fact that they are.

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^Yeah no one's gonna try to deny that, that's history. It's just difficult for us to do much about it now since there's a trust issue (wow oversimplification/understatement of the century) and I'm not blaming IAs for being uncooperative but that doesn't change the fact that they are.
that's because the government thinks throwing money at indigenous people will somehow fix what i would describe an attempt at cultural genocide of indigenous australians, because that's what they basically wanted to do with the stolen generation and to some extent they were successful. there is plenty that the government can do to help build trust with indigenous australians, i'm sure there are strategies which may be considered expensive now but economically efficient in the long run in helping indigenous australians who have been affected.
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^^

@bc this is not really relevant to the topic we were discussing but i found this article pretty interesting and maddening in regards to racism in aus. i'm pretty pissed off it actually. http://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-bosses-are-racist-when-its-time-to-hire-20090617-chvu.html
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I sorted out my visa issues today but I think I ended up on some China naughty list, I don't really know what happened they made me sign lots of forms I couldn't read. The only words I got were 'punishment', 'illegal' and 'warning' :rofl:

I'd celebrate with a gin and tonic if I didn't have heaps of homework for all the classes I missed from being at the police station :drunk:
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Sep 25 2013, 12:17 PM
^^

@bc this is not really relevant to the topic we were discussing but i found this article pretty interesting and maddening in regards to racism in aus. i'm pretty pissed off it actually. http://www.theage.com.au/national/australian-bosses-are-racist-when-its-time-to-hire-20090617-chvu.html
I actually read this article when it was first published. Coincidentally, I'd changed my name earlier that year, nothing job related but I guess it won't hurt my chances. A friend of mine also changed her named recently (in anticipation of applying for graduate positions) because this article is actually spot on (although I agree with it's point from speaking with industry/hr professionals).

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P.S. I also think Aussies hate pronouncing foreign (Asian) names, they just give up. :lol:
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